Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[twall]

Sorry can someone tell me what the show is called on Discovery+

Undercover Underage. ID channel also aired it.

 

[Ommmm]

Father and son share a name, and it just happens to be Anthony.

 

[mpnola]

Undercover Underage. ID channel also aired it.

Yes. Its called Undercover/ Underage. To give people an idea what it is about, it is a woman who has a non profit organization that seeks to end child SA. She poses as a 15 year old. She has a crew of people who help to sleuth and identify who these good for nothing "men" are, as well as go with her to the in person meet ups to get license plate numbers and other info to identify them. She posts in a teen chat. She has different personas. She even video chats with them, as a 15 year old. They have fake bedrooms set up and everything. Once they gather enough information and evidence, they approach law enforcement with the "packet" and turn it over to them to do as they please. Sadly, they don't arrest many of even the most dangerous that this group catches.

Hopefully that helps for people who aren't sure if they want to watch. But warning- it has disturbing content, for sure. We are dealing with grown men targeting teens.

 

[mpnola]

Follow up question - how do they “send money” to children? I have a 14 yo and they do not have a way to accept money electronically. I don’t think anyways!

I also wondered about that. Someone mentioned gift cards, which is a good thought. I also wonder about something like PayPal or venmo. But it seems they might have to have a bank account, so I'm not sure! I want to look into that more. I like to know how these weirdos operate so I know how to plug those holes.

 

[LeBlack]

Police: Man had over 2,500 child *advertiser censored* files
This is an article from 2018 about a Peru man arrest for CSAM accessed thru drop box. It is interesting that one of his download dates was 2/14/2017. I am not accusing this man of being involved with the Delphi murders in anyway. JMHO

Interesting coincidence, at one time he lived less than a mile from KAK grandparents AND had an EA living in his home.

 

[Charlot123]

Not sure he needs (or would want a 'list') They pay in crypto, he sends them a link to what they requested in a disappearing chat. Maybe someone stepped up the stakes with their request.

And is there a way to hack into his phone from this system?

Or, make a second Anthony_shots account? The photo of the hot model is all over the i-net. Is it easy? All they need to know is that she is in love with a_s.

I also wondered about that. Someone mentioned gift cards, which is a good thought. I also wonder about something like PayPal or venmo. But it seems they might have to have a bank account, so I'm not sure! I want to look into that more. I like to know how these weirdos operate so I know how to plug those holes.

I heard of a similar case, in AZ, where the payment was barter (MJ). I would not be surprised if any form of bartering is more common. Maybe, leave something in one of these cashes near the bridge? That could explain the trip to MHB. This could be the trap.

Imagine that the BG knew that Libby would come to the bridge some time during that long weekend, he could hang around for a day or two. The way he walks on the bridge…he is in a hurry. Either he saw them, or was messaged by someone. I think the person knew they’d show up, sooner or later, that there was no prior arrangement between him and them (not sure about a_s), but he had a way of tracking Libby’s phone. I doubt it was a date, though, since neither of the girls looked dressed for a date.

 

[Charlot123]

Father and son share a name, and it just happens to be Anthony.

Which brings up a point. Only LE would know…but I wonder if there is any evidence (from the crime scene) that the killer has any dark, macabre, sense of humor? The way he posed the bodies, the signatures…could it look “humorous” to someone broken? Something like, play on coincidences? (For example, on March 17th, it would be something along the theme of Irish luck… this kind of humor?)

What if the killer was amused by two Anthonies because it is his name, too? He may not even go by it (I once met a man whose name sounded like a fizz cocktail; go guess, IRL he was Anthony, and Italian. Looked neither). But I wonder if the killer saw some macabre coincidence in it, and this is how Libby was chosen?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I am not throwing shade here, but I wonder if the cat fish was ever cat fished? Has it been stated that the victims had been totally honest in their online profiles *such as age, and descriptions*

Please understand that I am NOT blaming these young teens for anything. This was 100% the perp (or perps) evil doing. So sad!

 

[Charlot123]

LE was insistent that there was more than one author using Kik and other messaging services on KAK's devices, but that the a_shots activity, as well as the emilyanne and "daddy" stuff, all originated from the Peru house, over the course of days, months, and years. IMO, it wouldn't matter how many people KAK gave or sold his passwords to unless they were all hanging out at the K household 24/7. To me, that's the biggest takeaway, and one I see no reason for LE to lie about.

Secondly, exactly one week after the murders, another girl makes arrangements to meet a_shots, only to come home to find a ski mask peeper at her window. Just what were his intentions? Because at the very least, we now have a man most likely connected to the a_shots account, in person, at an arranged meetup location. IMO, that makes ski mask peeper someone from the Peru house, either KAK or TK. Or, it could be somebody KAK or TK was giving information to, but who was not physically participating in the a_shots account. And who has Monday afternoons off...

So what are the chances that in one week's time, a_shots communicates about meeting up with two girls: one who gets murdered, and the other who comes home to find a ski mask peeper. Seriously, what are the chances?

If someone hacks into your account, and starts sending messages from it, where would the messages be coming from?

All we know is that LE is putting pressure on KAK, and he is horribly afraid of someone, I doubt it is his father. Someone else. Maybe if he knows two girls were killed, he is too afraid of spilling the beans.

 

[sunshineray]

If someone hacks into your account, and starts sending messages from it, where would the messages be coming from?

All we know is that LE is putting pressure on KAK, and he is horribly afraid of someone, I doubt it is his father. Someone else. Maybe if he knows two girls were killed, he is too afraid of spilling the beans.

I don't think he's afraid of anyone. That's all just an act, IMO. The only thing KAK is worrying about is himself, in jail, for the rest of his life.

And that is AJMO

 

[Charlot123]

I don't think he's afraid of anyone. That's all just an act, IMO. The only thing KAK is worrying about is himself, in jail, for the rest of his life.

And that is AJMO

If he knows how the girls were killed, and someone said to him, “we’ll get you in prison”…

 

[CurtMarcucci]

I don't think he's afraid of anyone. That's all just an act, IMO. The only thing KAK is worrying about is himself, in jail, for the rest of his life.

And that is AJMO

With the charges he is facing, he is looking at 40 years. Throw in the fact that it involves minors, KAK will be segregated in prison. He won't see Gen Pop.

 

[JnRyan]

I just made my way through the 194 page interview from August 2020. You're over 2/3's to 3/4's of a way through it before the LE starts questioning KAK on Delphi. By that point it appears that LE has already caught KAK in a number of lies. Of course, since LE is allowed to use deception to obtain a confession, I don't know what to make of their questions to KAK about his relationship to the murders. What puzzles me is that this interview is from August 2020 and it is December 2021 before LE brings up anthony_shots. And almost 4 months later all is quiet again.

 

[Pimlipo]

Father and son share a name, and it just happens to be Anthony.

I just watched a Fox59 YouTube video where they speak to a neighbour of TK and her surname happens to be Shotts.

 

[stattlich1]

I would not be surprised if any form of bartering is more common. Maybe, leave something in one of these cashes near the bridge? That could explain the trip to MHB. This could be the trap.

Imagine that the BG knew that Libby would come to the bridge some time during that long weekend, he could hang around for a day or two. The way he walks on the bridge…he is in a hurry. Either he saw them, or was messaged by someone. I think the person knew they’d show up, sooner or later, that there was no prior arrangement between him and them (not sure about a_s), but he had a way of tracking Libby’s phone. I doubt it was a date, though, since neither of the girls looked dressed for a date.

What a great possible scenario. Something hidden near that bridge, a payment? A gift? Or just a ruse to get them there?

 

[Ssschu]

I just made my way through the 194 page interview from August 2020. You're over 2/3's to 3/4's of a way through it before the LE starts questioning KAK on Delphi. By that point it appears that LE has already caught KAK in a number of lies. Of course, since LE is allowed to use deception to obtain a confession, I don't know what to make of their questions to KAK about his relationship to the murders. What puzzles me is that this interview is from August 2020 and it is December 2021 before LE brings up anthony_shots. And almost 4 months later all is quiet again.

I was under the impression at the time that LE found out a news station was going to break the anthony_shots story the next day. This forced their hand and they felt they needed to preemptively release something. It was almost 10:00 pm that night when ISP released that video asking for info on the AS profile, which was odd timing.

IMO, they have been way too tight lipped with info about this case and should have released that info much sooner to get tips but what do I know? Lol. I also think it's insane that KK was busted for CP in 2017 and walked free for another 3.5 years before his arrest. I'm assuming they were watching him to try to find out more info about others involved but that's a long time for a dangerous person to be roaming free to potentially commit more crimes.

 

[sandy_80]

I was thinking with homicide solving at an all time low at 50% and especially indiana always near the bottom with some 40 % clearance..who know he hadn't killed again already ?
we dont know what kind of a killer he is..and if he has a victim type / motive or is just thrill kill that is random...

 

[IceIce9]

Follow up question - how do they “send money” to children? I have a 14 yo and they do not have a way to accept money electronically. I don’t think anyways!

Gift cards are very common “currency” with the unbanked. Everyone from teenagers to scam artists to those who are unable to get bank accounts use gift cards as currency.

Gift cards can be sent electronically to phones and email addresses. They can be sold for cash or traded for goods, drugs, or alcohol.

 

[Prime8]

I was under the impression at the time that LE found out a news station was going to break the anthony_shots story the next day. This forced their hand and they felt they needed to preemptively release something. It was almost 10:00 pm that night when ISP released that video asking for info on the AS profile, which was odd timing.

IMO, they have been way too tight lipped with info about this case and should have released that info much sooner to get tips but what do I know? Lol. I also think it's insane that KK was busted for CP in 2017 and walked free for another 3.5 years before his arrest. I'm assuming they were watching him to try to find out more info about others involved but that's a long time for a dangerous person to be roaming free to potentially commit more crimes.

That news outlet has come out to say they found the connection of A_S after the ISP release. I'll try to look for the it, it's mentioned in a few of their articles.

From what I've heard, I don't think it's that out of the normal for them not to have arrested him until later, for numerous reasons.

 

[Charlot123]

What a great possible scenario. Something hidden near that bridge, a payment? A gift? Or just a ruse to get them there?

A payment, a gift, a ruse. They wanted to get to that bridge, remember? Also, they were just paid by Becky. Maybe they planned to buy something with the money? I am thinking that the ruse had to be simple. In my state, at this age, it would be cigarettes or pot. Since pot is legal for adults, all street criminals are now targeting schoolkids. 1/5 kids in HS deals in these products. I think Anna Williams knew her daughter, and if she says Abby won’t go to meet a boy dressed this way, then, she won’t. That leaves a few reasons for the kids to go to the bridge, and quite fast. I would look at the list of the local dealers targeting schoolkids - I once met such a couple, they even settled next to a high school. It could be a high schooler, too. Ask them again, if they were asked to make an arrangement with the girls, and by whom.
Or if, indeed, KAK left something near the bridge. KAK comes across as a combination of utter stupidity mixed with lack of moral scruples, I think he could do anything for money. But I don’t think he is the killer, although, a perfect liar.