Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

[Charlot123]

YES!!! I cannot stop thinking of them during that show. For anyone who has a hard time watching that stuff, just watch episode 6. It is the one that put a lot of things together for me, regarding how Libby possibly got roped in.

The transcript mentions money sent to Libby. This episode both opened my eyes and broke my heart for how this could have gone down.

KAK says he says the same thing to many many girls. Just to get what he wants. That also seemed very obvious in this show.

I couldn't help but to have the girls on my mind while watching. I am also very glad the internet wasn't a thing when I was that age. I think the vast majority of little girls could get caught up in a hot dude (even though he was fake) telling them they love them or whatever. Over and over in that show these grown men told these young girls all the "right" things.

OK, if an 18-year-old man (or older) sends money to a 13- or 14- year-old-girl, the guilt lies solely with the man. The girl is a victim. Moreover, I consider it both sexual and emotional abuse. It will take the girl years in therapy to understand that she is a person, and she will, and should be loved for herself, not for the sexualized image. It applies to all such cases, and if we have adult women, actresses, telling us how broken they were by meeting sexual predators, then, it is doubly so about kids.

The fact that Libby received money doesn’t change my opinion a bit. KAK is a predator. Libby - a victim.

Only I don’t feel that either he, or his dad, killed the girls. Maybe other people had access to KAK’s Dropbox. I also believe that KAK is afraid of being charged of accessory to murders, and destroyed important information a long time ago. He might still remember what was there, or maybe, he had a system set up where people would pay him and get access to his Dropbox?

 

[Charlot123]

OK, if an 18-year-old man (or older) sends money to a 13- or 14- year-old-girl, the guilt lies solely with the man. The girl is a victim. Moreover, I consider it both sexual and emotional abuse. It will take the girl years in therapy to understand that she is a person, and she will, and should be loved for herself, not for the sexualized image. It applies to all such cases, and if we have adult women, actresses, telling us how broken they were by meeting sexual predators, then, it is doubly so about kids.

The fact that Libby received money doesn’t change my opinion a bit. KAK is a predator. Libby - a victim.

Only I don’t feel that either he, or his dad, killed the girls. Maybe other people had access to KAK’s Dropbox. I also believe that KAK is afraid of being charged of accessory to murders, and destroyed important information a long time ago. He might still remember what was there, or maybe, he had a system set up where people would pay him and get access to his Dropbox?

Does he have a list of clients? How was he paid by CSAM users?

 

[mpnola]

OK, if an 18-year-old man (or older) sends money to a 13- or 14- year-old-girl, the guilt lies solely with the man. The girl is a victim. Moreover, I consider it both sexual and emotional abuse. It will take the girl years in therapy to understand that she is a person, and she will, and should be loved for herself, not for the sexualized image. It applies to all such cases, and if we have adult women, actresses, telling us how broken they were by meeting sexual predators, then, it is doubly so about kids.

The fact that Libby received money doesn’t change my opinion a bit. KAK is a predator. Libby - a victim.

Only I don’t feel that either he, or his dad, killed the girls. Maybe other people had access to KAK’s Dropbox. I also believe that KAK is afraid of being charged of accessory to murders, and destroyed important information a long time ago. He might still remember what was there, or maybe, he had a system set up where people would pay him and get access to his Dropbox?

100% the victim!!!!!! On multiple levels!!!!! I dont think I implied otherwise. These vile creatures that prey on children are the only ones in the wrong. If you watch the show, you will see. These girls are assaulted with pics and videos of disgusting acts, while they are just trying to chat in a teen room. It is inexcusable, maddening and we need to start treating crimes against children with more intensity.

 

[mpnola]

It's a bridge, not a tightrope! It's not 12 inches wide! It was designed to hold a train. There is no human too large to walk across the bridge. The only thing that would keep someone from crossing is fear. I have said from the beginning that half the male population can be ruled out just by if they would mentally be able to cross the bridge. This will see a thrill seeker, of sorts. My son would no sooner put a toe on that bridge, much less cross it with confidence.

 

[asyousay]

It's a bridge, not a tightrope! It's not 12 inches wide! It was designed to hold a train. There is no human too large to walk across the bridge. The only thing that would keep someone from crossing is fear. I have said from the beginning that half the male population can be ruled out just by if they would mentally be able to cross the bridge. This will see a thrill seeker, of sorts. My son would no sooner put a toe on that bridge, much less cross it with confidence.

Sorry it was a run down bridge and wasn’t safe hence why it was closed for repair soon after the murders. It was not simple a stroll across a flat path. Add in the fact he was interviewed in 2020 and yet no charges have been brought.


ETA - he also looks absolutely nothing like bridge guy or the sketches!!


MOO

 

[raja]

Police: Man had over 2,500 child *advertiser censored* files
This is an article from 2018 about a Peru man arrest for CSAM accessed thru drop box. It is interesting that one of his download dates was 2/14/2017. I am not accusing this man of being involved with the Delphi murders in anyway. JMHO

 

[raja]

DBM

 

[LeBlack]

YES!!! I cannot stop thinking of them during that show. For anyone who has a hard time watching that stuff, just watch episode 6. It is the one that put a lot of things together for me, regarding how Libby possibly got roped in.

The transcript mentions money sent to Libby. This episode both opened my eyes and broke my heart for how this could have gone down.

KAK says he says the same thing to many many girls. Just to get what he wants. That also seemed very obvious in this show.

I couldn't help but to have the girls on my mind while watching. I am also very glad the internet wasn't a thing when I was that age. I think the vast majority of little girls could get caught up in a hot dude (even though he was fake) telling them they love them or whatever. Over and over in that show these grown men told these young girls all the "right" things.

Could you go into the money aspect a little? I don't get Discovery+, I might try the one week free - but I hate to.

 

[LeBlack]

Does he have a list of clients? How was he paid by CSAM users?

Not sure he needs (or would want a 'list') They pay in crypto, he sends them a link to what they requested in a disappearing chat. Maybe someone stepped up the stakes with their request.

 

[rebelchild]

Remember hes being investigated for murder....according to the leaked info (again if its even legitimate) he agreed to meet Libby German at that very bridge on the same day .

AS for the "not knowing how to get there", .....stop, the guy can work a smart phone and computer well enough to make fake profiles and solicit and usually trade child *advertiser censored*, and according to the transcript he did weppage design and other graphic design applications .......but all the sudden he cant use GPS or look up something on maps ??

This is a guy who is in possession of child *advertiser censored*, with a fake online profile to solicit materials from unsuspecting kids , .....

Wouldnt imagine youre dealing with the most honest individual

I agree with everything you said except the part BBM .. I don't remember reading any part of the leaked transcript that said he was supposed to meet her "at the bridge" .. maybe I missed something. What I've read is that he told her friend he was supposed to meet her but she never showed up. Nothing about where this meeting was supposed to take place. That's the only point I was trying to make.

 

[TL4S]

LE was insistent that there was more than one author using Kik and other messaging services on KAK's devices, but that the a_shots activity, as well as the emilyanne and "daddy" stuff, all originated from the Peru house, over the course of days, months, and years. IMO, it wouldn't matter how many people KAK gave or sold his passwords to unless they were all hanging out at the K household 24/7. To me, that's the biggest takeaway, and one I see no reason for LE to lie about.

Secondly, exactly one week after the murders, another girl makes arrangements to meet a_shots, only to come home to find a ski mask peeper at her window. Just what were his intentions? Because at the very least, we now have a man most likely connected to the a_shots account, in person, at an arranged meetup location. IMO, that makes ski mask peeper someone from the Peru house, either KAK or TK. Or, it could be somebody KAK or TK was giving information to, but who was not physically participating in the a_shots account. And who has Monday afternoons off...

So what are the chances that in one week's time, a_shots communicates about meeting up with two girls: one who gets murdered, and the other who comes home to find a ski mask peeper. Seriously, what are the chances?

 

[Snow_In _June]

Sorry it was a run down bridge and wasn’t safe hence why it was closed for repair soon after the murders. It was not simple a stroll across a flat path. Add in the fact he was interviewed in 2020 and yet no charges have been brought.


ETA - he also looks absolutely nothing like bridge guy or the sketches!!


MOO

I think you will find and well documented else where irrelevant of its state the bridge could be crossed quite quickly by those who knew it. Me personally and looking at it There is not a cat in hells chance you would find me walking across that bridge but that is just me

 

[LeBlack]

I agree with everything you said except the part BBM .. I don't remember reading any part of the leaked transcript that said he was supposed to meet her "at the bridge" .. maybe I missed something. What I've read is that he told her friend he was supposed to meet her but she never showed up. Nothing about where this meeting was supposed to take place. That's the only point I was trying to make.

Why was she at the bridge if she was supposed to meet the hotshot elsewhere?

 

[CurtMarcucci]

Remember hes being investigated for murder....according to the leaked info (again if its even legitimate) he agreed to meet Libby German at that very bridge on the same day .

AS for the "not knowing how to get there", .....stop, the guy can work a smart phone and computer well enough to make fake profiles and solicit and usually trade child *advertiser censored*, and according to the transcript he did weppage design and other graphic design applications .......but all the sudden he cant use GPS or look up something on maps ??

This is a guy who is in possession of child *advertiser censored*, with a fake online profile to solicit materials from unsuspecting kids , .....

Wouldnt imagine youre dealing with the most honest individual

When I went to the bridge, I Google Mapped it. The directions took me east of the bridge and the start of the trail. I looked at the map on my phone and was able to figure out about where the bridge trail would start.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

I think you will find and well documented else where irrelevant of its state the bridge could be crossed quite quickly by those who knew it. Me personally and looking at it There is not a cat in hells chance you would find me walking across that bridge but that is just me

I crossed it less than a month ago. I have no idea what repairs they made on the bridge, but they sure the hell weren't to the railroad ties. The walk trail looked like it was fairly new paving. Crossing the bridge the first time (west to east) took me 30-40 minutes and I crawled over a small part of it. The return trip was much easier because I knew what to expect and I made it across in 10 minutes.

 

[magnetic]

Something to consider when dealing with crimes against children

There's little safety in numbers when dealing with child predators, an adult presence is about the only thing that deters an attempt on a child .

In cases, where a child is abducted or lured the presence of another child usually does little to dissuade the offender, and may result in multiple victims .

Yes, even the presence of multiple children. I've seen stories of a child in a group of children get lured away and the other children are just standing there.

 

[TL4S]

Why was she at the bridge if she was supposed to meet the hotshot elsewhere?

I'm not sure it was ever revealed in the transcripts exactly when or where they were suppose to meet, or if they even had anything specifically planned yet. If LE has evidence of this, and it was to be that day, at the bridge, it would be pretty darn hard to deny! Maybe LE is saving that for trial.

 

[IceIce9]

that is not true ..this you reading what you like in a police investigation that was not meant for the public
until le release a public statement.. what you state as a fact is not true
Find it strange that its allowed for these speculations to be treated as information ? and as facts.. when there is not a press release and no comment on any sort ..

What are Indiana State Police saying about the transcripts?
While the transcripts include information about the Delphi investigation, Indiana State Police had no role in their release. Investigators haven’t publicly linked anthony_shots, Kegan Kline or his father to the Delphi case. Kline, it’s again important to emphasize, has not been criminally charged in connection with the murders and ISP hasn’t said he’s a suspect.

Indiana State Police released a statement about the transcripts to make it clear the agency had no role in their release. ISP said the investigation into the Delphi murders remains ongoing, and “out of respect for that, the ISP decline to comment at this time.”

What we know about the latest developments in the Delphi murders | WANE 15

It has been reported on several different MSM sites so we are allowed to discuss it here. Here in Indiana it is being reported on all local news stations.

I believe they had planned the trip to meet someone they thought was Anthony Shotts.

The coincidences are piling up. When you look at the big picture there are way too many things falling into place for it to be coincidental. MOO of course.

 

[rebelchild]

Why was she at the bridge if she was supposed to meet the hotshot elsewhere?

I was replying to someone who stated that the transcript said that KAK was meeting her at the bridge and she didn't show up .. I was simply stating that what I read is that he said he was supposed to meet her but never stated where he was supposed to meet her.

I have no idea why she was at the bridge .. or IF he was at the bridge .. or when they were even supposed to meet. I don't think the transcript mentioned those things but if it did, then I missed it.

 

[mpnola]

Could you go into the money aspect a little? I don't get Discovery+, I might try the one week free - but I hate to.

Yes! In a nutshell, these predators come in very fast and very strong. They generally start off asking for pretty mild pictures, like a stomach. They offer money in exchange. As you can imagine, it escalates and they ask for more detailed photos for more money.

While none of that is beyond our imagination of how things can go down, the part that really shook me was how they surround all that with a couple of things. Either they claim love, I want to marry you, I'm sorry but I'm just so attracted to you OR they operate on almost guilt and threats. For example, why won't you send them. I'm paying you. It's not like you aren't getting something out of it. It's no big deal.

The quickness and intensity and long game of getting what they want is sooooo disturbing! And it doesn't stop at photos. Almost every one of them also set up in person meetups.