Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #92

[sumzero]

I think the existence of the 2 sketches makes perfect sense as does the elimination of the first one.
I believe sketch #1 was based solely on the pictures of BG. I mean, it looks spot on before you start really dissecting it. Even then, I still see sketch #1 as being more accurate. So, it makes sense that sketch #2, based on an eye witness account wasn't given credence since IMO it doesn't look like the photo at all.
I now believe that they are working with Parabon and when they got results, it matched sketch #2 so closely that they had no choice to eliminate sketch #1 and start focusing on sketch #2.
So, I don't blame LE at all. They went with what made the most sense at the time. Based on how different BG looks in the pictures/video (at least to me) as compared to sketch #2, he deliberately made choices to conceal disguise/conceal his identity.

Not true.

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Journal & Courier the portrait was drawn based on “recent information” from a witness who saw the mystery man around the time of the girls’ deaths. “It’s related to a dialogue between a witness and a sketch artist that’s based upon an actual, real situation,” Leazenby said.

Cops release new sketch of murdered girls’ killer

What's interesting to me is that LE made sketch #2 shortly after the crime but didn't release it. Sketch #1 was not made until five months later and LE immediately released it.

 

[MistyWaters]

Does anyone recall on the two year anniversary of the murders one of the officers was quoted, something about the public being way off in knowing what actually occurred? Some mention about YouTube videos as well. I’ve searched and searched but I can’t find it and in hindsight of this week’s PC and a different suspect I thought it’s be interesting to read once again.

Thanks for your help, if anyone knows what I’m referring to.

 

[mekeritrig]

Given the very short time frame that the girls were unaccounted for (~1-2 hrs) and the time that the searching began, it seems very improbable to me that the crime was random and not targeted. This is reinforced by the recent PC where police emphasized that they think the suspect is local to the area of the crime.

The lack of a description of a vehicle and the decision not to publicize where the witness (who provided the details for the current sketch) saw the suspect points towards there being something significant towards identifying the suspect being withheld.

It seems extremely important that all of the girls close acquaintances and relationships be evaluated to see who could possibly have any motive for harming one or both of them.

One last point is that two different sketches don't necessarily rule out two suspects. The police could simply be shifting the pressure to a suspect who is more recognizable in the community than the other. While unlikely, I don't know how they could rule out a driver and murderer scenario especially considering the sketches supposedly both were independently generated from eyewitness accounts of suspicious men in the area around the time of the crime.

 

[teeandcee]

Delphi murders: New sketch of killer, video from Libby's phone released

"Monday's press conference took place at a packed Wabash & Erie Canal Conference & Interpretive Center in Delphi."

The press conference in a church was an earlier event.

Ahh, I see, thx. I’m gonna delete my post.

 

[heartgoesout]

If eye witnesses are credible.

 

[TL4S]

IMO if this murder was committed by someone who snapped or lost control on impulse, we would have seen far more concrete evidence or mistakes made by the killer by now.

The terrain and bridge are treacherous. People who commit unplanned acts of violence are far more prone to leaving evidence behind, simply because they're not prepared to deal with a clean-up. Perps get sloppy, they leave fingerprints or DNA behind, they lack the resources to deal with hiding blood or signs of a struggle.

The only reason we have what we DO have on this guy is that Libby was suspicious and started recording. (I don't know what LE has, they may have more, but I'm just working off of what we know.)

We're talking about broad daylight in the middle of a weekday when the trail was populated and school was out of session. I know this seems like a risk to a lot of people and that's valid, but consider that despite the circumstances, we have almost nothing to go on.

That doesn't sound like an unplanned loss of control. BG had to have planned at least some part of what he was going to do, and targeted where he was going to do it. Regardless of how he decided upon Abby and Libby or found them at that location at that time, he was already prepared to commit violence.

Very good thoughts. I guess I see the problem for us as outsiders to the case is that we have no idea what LE has for evidence, what the crime scene was like, or anything really. We don't know how much, if any, he touched them, or if he had gloves on. We don't know that there was a struggle, or even any blood.

There are just too many directions for the mind to go. It could have been horrific and sadistic, or as simple as tying their hands behind their backs and drowning them in the creek. Or anything in between.

All we know is that they were unable to get away, and it happened in a relatively short time period.

I don't think there's enough information for us to guess as to whether or not he was prepared for this event, or what his motive was. JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Not true.

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Journal & Courier the portrait was drawn based on “recent information” from a witness who saw the mystery man around the time of the girls’ deaths. “It’s related to a dialogue between a witness and a sketch artist that’s based upon an actual, real situation,” Leazenby said.

Cops release new sketch of murdered girls’ killer

What's interesting to me is that LE made sketch #2 shortly after the crime but didn't release it. Sketch #1 was not made until five months later and LE immediately released it.

Yeah. Ponder that one. Whose decision was that?

 

[holtzmann]

All we know is that they were unable to get away, and it happened in a relatively short time period.

I don't think there's enough information for us to guess as to whether or not he was prepared for this event, or what his motive was. JMO

Bingo. We don't have access to the majority of the information and evidence in this case, and I'm totally fine with that — LE needs to keep relevant information close to the chest to ensure security of the crime scene and the investigation.

It does make things harder for us armchair detectives to decide what happened, though.

 

[gregjrichards]

Does anyone recall on the two year anniversary of the murders one of the officers was quoted, something about the public being way off in knowing what actually occurred? Some mention about YouTube videos as well. I’ve searched and searched but I can’t find it and in hindsight of this week’s PC and a different suspect I thought it’s be interesting to read once again.

Thanks for your help, if anyone knows what I’m referring to.

You are not imagining it I remember this. Was it maybe mentioned on the HLN special on the two year anniversary?

 

[TL4S]

I don't think Carter's reference to a movie with religious themes necessarily means the suspect is active in the church or even religious.
It's a very common topic, and since he was talking about having a conscience, I think it was said more to get a reaction from the killer or from those around him who may know what he has done.
Maybe he was trying to get the killer to feel some guilt, or at least fear. Fear, mixed with a little guilt, is a very strong emotion, and the people around the killer are bound to notice a change of behavior.
I don't think the use of the word guys means anything, really, since it's so commonly used.
And I don't think he sounded like he works with kids, there just isn't enough audio to be convincing.
I really don't have a strong feeling about what this guy may do for a living. Others have suggested he may work in a school, be affiliated with a church or LE, or somehow know the family. There are many possibilities. Imo

I haven't seen or read "The Shack," but from descriptions it sounds like it shows the murder victim having peace because God was with her? If that's so, maybe that concept takes some of the "power" away from the killer?

 

[IshKlosh]

It just dawned on me this morning that the presser was held on a Monday. That makes me wonder if LE think/know BG has Mondays off and were hoping BG would show up.

 

[teeandcee]

Wasn’t the original sketch based on a witness coming forward later who said “she”had an uncomfortable encounter with the guy the sketch was based on?

 

[ab01]

It just dawned on me this morning that the presser was held on a Monday. That makes me wonder if LE think/know BG has Mondays off and were hoping BG would show up.

I think it had more to do with them learning some new information late last week.

I don't believe they wanted to have the press conference on a friday when it would draw less attention being before the easter weekend.

Like MG or someone stated earlier there is a reason that political figures use the term friday news dump.

I think they announced it for monday beacause it was simply the first day after the weekend and would likely cause the most immediate attention from media and public.

JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Thanks. I just don’t get why he mentioned it. Maybe it wasn’t for the killer. Maybe he wanted to help the families accept and forgive for the shocks that are to come. Especially when they have had that first sketch in their heads for two years!

I think he was hoping to get some kind of reaction from the killer that those closest to him would notice, a change in behavior, increased anxiety, etc.
But it certainly may have been aimed at comforting the families as well. Imo

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

My newest enhancements:

He appears to have a vey large nose. The second sketch shows him with a small nose.

 

[idfinch]

I've been following the threads (and the case from day 1) but things are moving so fast I've yet to find anything I can say that hasn't already been said.

@MassGuy - Apologies if you've already commented on this, and I know the topic has been off and on during the last few threads. Was wondering your opinion re: the audio as I trust your take on things.

Do you think the "Guys ... down the hill" are from the same clip or 2 clips spliced together, and do you hear the rumored screams or "oh my God" scrambled between? Why do you think they only released 1 additional word and chose that one? Thanks for your input.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

You are not imagining it I remember this. Was it maybe mentioned on the HLN special on the two year anniversary?

I remember it being said on the HLN special also. Although he seemed to be almost pleased that LE saw all this wrong information flying around, I thought to myself that allowing that didn’t seem like a good idea.

 

[TL4S]

Wasn’t the original sketch based on a witness coming forward later who said “she”had an uncomfortable encounter with the guy the sketch was based on?

I've actually wondered if the newest change in direction happened because of a recent "she having an uncomfortable encounter with a guy" resembling the second sketch.

 

[ab01]

He appears to have a vey large nose. The second sketch shows him with a small nose.

There is a lot of blur and distortion of the perps face in the video IMO. Its very difficult/nearly impossible to make out distinct facial features. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Not true.

Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Journal & Courier the portrait was drawn based on “recent information” from a witness who saw the mystery man around the time of the girls’ deaths. “It’s related to a dialogue between a witness and a sketch artist that’s based upon an actual, real situation,” Leazenby said.

Cops release new sketch of murdered girls’ killer

What's interesting to me is that LE made sketch #2 shortly after the crime but didn't release it. Sketch #1 was not made until five months later and LE immediately released it.

I’ve never understood how it was expected a witness could come forward five months after seeing a stranger and assist in generating an accurate police sketch. If there was a mistake made in this investigation, I think it’s that LE put far too much emphasis on that police sketch. Although it’s understood a sketch is not a photograph, it literally became one by how it was presented in such a definite way. JMO