IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #22

[gregjrichards]

Just got word that a friend of my co-worker (Muncie, IN) was visited by the state police today after being reported by his ex as the possible BG. I am sure he has been cleared but I wanted to share this bit of information as encouragement that the IN police are taking every tip very seriously and following up on any leads. If you have any information please don't be shy about reporting. The police should be able to clear someone quickly.

I really hope only genuine tips are being sent in the last thing law enforcement needs is bitter exes going through a bad divorce reporting their ex as BG.

 

[MizStery]

I apologize if this has been posted.
Fears of Link between Delphi friends and double murder of young cousins:
Authorities hunting the killer of two young teens near an old railway bridge in Delphi, Indiana, are investigating chilling similarities to the unsolved double murder of two young cousins in 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...and-unsolved-double-murder-young-cousins.html
:cow:

 

[Eileen730]

Would LE even know the BG if they saw him?
I don't think so.

 

[IshKlosh]

I really hope only genuine tips are being sent in the last thing law enforcement needs is bitter exes going through a bad divorce reporting their ex as BG.

Agreed!

 

[herway]

Hello everyone, a very long time lurker here. I have really enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions on so many topics. I thought I would join.

Here are my thoughts.

This location is very interesting in that it is rural yet one would expect activity on the trails. BG must be comfortable in a rural areas based on his attire and his ability to maneuver the girls to a more secluded location. I believe he acted alone.

I would have thought that he had been to this area more than a few times in order to setup this crime. However, I am doubting that since no one claims to have seen him (to our knowledge) on the trails before.

I am not sure if his main focus, before the attack, was the location or the girls. In other words, had he scouted the girls and chose the location based on their activity or had he scouted the area and waited for the right time and victim(s)?

I believe he parked at the cemetery and walked to the creek then on to the trail. He may have done this previously if he scouted the area.

I believe he passed the girls then turned around, followed to gauge their fear, then waited for the right time and location. I don't think much time passed from the initial encounter to him directing them to leave the trail.

I think his intent was a sexual assault. I am not positive he intended to kill them but it is likely.

I am at a loss as to how he controlled both girls. He may have used a gun to threaten them but, based on a fear of being heard and the "pristine" comment by the land owner, I don't think he used the gun to kill them. That leads me to think he constrained (at least one of) them with rope while attacking the other. Looking at his jacket in the picture, it shows plenty of room inside for rope and other items.

I think the attack occurred at or close to where they were found. I just don't see him taking them away and bringing them back.

I do think he left behind DNA. I would think it is difficult not to leave DNA. If he was that careful, I don't think LE would have the audio recording. That recording leads me to believe that at least one phone was left at the scene or close by.

Most likely, either the DNA or a tip from someone who is around him somewhat regularly will be what gets him connected to this crime. This could take months or years. I hope my guess on timing is way overstated and he is caught soon.

Sorry for the long post and thanks for letting me get out my opinions. The above is my opinion only.

I agree with everything you said. Logical theory.

 

[#1nana]

ABC News contributor and former FBI agent Steve Gomez, who is not involved in the Delphi case, told ABC News today that having the FBI and the state police involved "is incredibly important."

"You clearly have somebody or a number of people that are sick — they committed a double homicide — and the fear is that this is going to happen again [or] already happened before these two victims," he said. "Other agencies that have vast resources and expertise is very important. The state police have boots on the ground in the state of Indiana, which is going to be very vital to pursue all these leads in a timely manner. And the FBI not only provides resources and coordination across state lines. The FBI also specializes in behavioral analysis to try to rebuild a profile of the person or persons who may have been involved in this murder."

ETA: Sorry, the rest of what he says is at the link^

IMO this sounds like SK.


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[DeDee]

He attempted to get a law degree in Utah, but never managed it. Prior to that, he did get a degree in Psychology in Washington state.

(Reminds me of that long-time saying about people who gravitate toward studying psychology--turned out to be true in his case).

O, Ted attempted to represent himself at his murder trial and failed miserably. These type personalities cannot find fault within themselves. I was married to NPD comorbid with sociopathy for far too long. He felt he had a "higher purpose".

Ted's victim, and there were so many, that really tugged at my heart and goes directly to prove the manipulative skills of sociopaths was the college student Bundy murdered after tricking her into carrying his class books due to a broken arm that he did not actually have.

Ted worked alone. BG did not. There are far too many coincidences such a spotting a man dressed in black; BG pegged by LE as being a participant [along with others]; LE cannot determine if the voice is BGs or not and we don't know how much audio LE has.

I want the truth to be revealed about these children's deaths. It is possible that we would never get the truth, if it were not for Liberty recording the events. She may not have known BG or seen him before that day but she knew the guy down the hill. She knowingly dropped their pictures into a cloud for us to understand the evil she and Abigail faced that dreadful day. I am convinced that Liberty knew at least one of the home-grown participants. My body is trembling from these thoughts. God bless the little children.

:cow: These are my suppositions and are mine alone based on facts given to us by LE in IN.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Hello everyone, a very long time lurker here. I have really enjoyed reading your thoughts and opinions on so many topics. I thought I would join.

Here are my thoughts.

This location is very interesting in that it is rural yet one would expect activity on the trails. BG must be comfortable in a rural areas based on his attire and his ability to maneuver the girls to a more secluded location. I believe he acted alone.

I would have thought that he had been to this area more than a few times in order to setup this crime. However, I am doubting that since no one claims to have seen him (to our knowledge) on the trails before.

I am not sure if his main focus, before the attack, was the location or the girls. In other words, had he scouted the girls and chose the location based on their activity or had he scouted the area and waited for the right time and victim(s)?

I believe he parked at the cemetery and walked to the creek then on to the trail. He may have done this previously if he scouted the area.

I believe he passed the girls then turned around, followed to gauge their fear, then waited for the right time and location. I don't think much time passed from the initial encounter to him directing them to leave the trail.

I think his intent was a sexual assault. I am not positive he intended to kill them but it is likely.

I am at a loss as to how he controlled both girls. He may have used a gun to threaten them but, based on a fear of being heard and the "pristine" comment by the land owner, I don't think he used the gun to kill them. That leads me to think he constrained (at least one of) them with rope while attacking the other. Looking at his jacket in the picture, it shows plenty of room inside for rope and other items.

I think the attack occurred at or close to where they were found. I just don't see him taking them away and bringing them back.

I do think he left behind DNA. I would think it is difficult not to leave DNA. If he was that careful, I don't think LE would have the audio recording. That recording leads me to believe that at least one phone was left at the scene or close by.

Most likely, either the DNA or a tip from someone who is around him somewhat regularly will be what gets him connected to this crime. This could take months or years. I hope my guess on timing is way overstated and he is caught soon.

Sorry for the long post and thanks for letting me get out my opinions. The above is my opinion only.

Love your post and WELCOME ABOARD!

 

[Deltucky]

Does anyone know how many different images have been released of the suspect?

There were two pics originally released. They are still shots from a video that was taken by Libby (per LE). I have heard they are only using one image now, but can't verify that.

 

[Burnt Toast]

No, he did not have a law degree. He attended law school but soon dropped out.

I stand corrected. I guess my point was that he was extremely bright, and he did have a undergrad degree and even studied Chinese. His grades were good enough to get accepted into law school....they only accepted a small percent of applicants.

 

[paris_paris]

Those are great questions.

It is possible that he had contact with them before the hiking trip.

What if... what if they did had contact with him before? What if they had run into him earlier that day, or a week before, or 2 weeks, or a month even. If he had said or done something previously that made them uncomfortable... maybe it was like "Ew there's that creepy guy again, let's record him this time".

If there had been a previous encounter they may not have told parents, but might have mentioned it to friends.

 

[YOPD]

First time poster regarding this case.

Surely somebody out there recognises this man. I don't imagine he has too many jackets, like the average person. Surely the set up of the navy jacket and brown hoodie underneath has been used before. He MUST be on CCTV somewhere, he MUST have said spoken to someone that morning or come into contact with someone somewhere.

Someone knows straight off the bat who this guy is.

I'm new to these threads, so hope opinions and theories are allowed. Yes, someone recognizes him. I don't think he has to many jackets either...he looks older, and those mom-jeans give away his age, imo. I think what he was wearing was pre-mediated...he only wore those for the purpose of disguise, and bc he prob knew they would have DNA, so most limey destroyed his clothes, hat, etc.:facepalm: And...I think you're right...he had to have spoken to someone that morning/day

 

[Lamima]

O, Ted attempted to represent himself at his murder trial and failed miserably. These type personalities cannot find fault within themselves. I was married to NPD comorbid with sociopathy for far too long. He felt he had a "higher purpose".

Ted's victim, and there were so many, that really tugged at my heart and goes directly to prove the manipulative skills of sociopaths was the college student Bundy murdered after tricking her into carrying his class books due to a broken arm that he did not actually have.

Ted worked alone. BG did not. There are far too many coincidences such a spotting a man dressed in black; BG pegged by LE as being a participant [along with others]; LE cannot determine if the voice is BGs or not and we don't know how much audio LE has.
I want the truth to be revealed about these children's deaths. It is possible that we would never get the truth, if it were not for Liberty recording the events. She may not have known BG or seen him before that day but she knew the guy down the hill. She knowingly dropped their pictures into a cloud for us to understand the evil she and Abigail faced that dreadful day. I am convinced that Liberty knew at least one of the home-grown participants. My body is trembling from these thoughts. God bless the little children.

:cow: These are my suppositions and are mine alone based on facts given to us by LE in IN.

I haven't been on this thread in a few days... so LE is saying more than one perp?

 

[Deltucky]

I haven't been on this thread in a few days... so LE is saying more than one perp?

Nothing new from LE.

 

[kittymittons]

O, Ted attempted to represent himself at his murder trial and failed miserably. These type personalities cannot find fault within themselves. I was married to NPD comorbid with sociopathy for far too long. He felt he had a "higher purpose".

Ted's victim, and there were so many, that really tugged at my heart and goes directly to prove the manipulative skills of sociopaths was the college student Bundy murdered after tricking her into carrying his class books due to a broken arm that he did not actually have.

Ted worked alone. BG did not. There are far too many coincidences such a spotting a man dressed in black; BG pegged by LE as being a participant [along with others]; LE cannot determine if the voice is BGs or not and we don't know how much audio LE has.

I want the truth to be revealed about these children's deaths. It is possible that we would never get the truth, if it were not for Liberty recording the events. She may not have known BG or seen him before that day but she knew the guy down the hill. She knowingly dropped their pictures into a cloud for us to understand the evil she and Abigail faced that dreadful day. I am convinced that Liberty knew at least one of the home-grown participants. My body is trembling from these thoughts. God bless the little children.

:cow: These are my suppositions and are mine alone based on facts given to us by LE in IN.

BBM

As far as the man dressed in all black, I've only seen that claim once by someone saying some other girls at the trail that day told them they saw this person. It could be a rumor, I don't know.

I would also think if one perp was dressed in all black, the other would be too. Also makes no sense to be dressed in all black unless you're committing a crime at night. IMO, sounds like something that a teenager there maybe fabricated or exaggerated not for malicious reasons, just trying to jog their memory or help in some way. JMO.

 

[liltexans]

I'm new to these threads, so hope opinions and theories are allowed. Yes, someone recognizes him. I don't think he has to many jackets either...he looks older, and those mom-jeans give away his age, imo. I think what he was wearing was pre-mediated...he only wore those for the purpose of disguise, and bc he prob knew they would have DNA, so most limey destroyed his clothes, hat, etc.:facepalm: And...I think you're right...he had to have spoken to someone that morning/day

Welcome to Websleuths!

:welcome:

 

[kittymittons]

I haven't been on this thread in a few days... so LE is saying more than one perp?

They're saying they don't know.

 

[carpeverum]

There were two pics originally released. They are still shots from a video that was taken by Libby (per LE). I have heard they are only using one image now, but can't verify that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there only one official photo released by ISP from the very start and to date? I never saw the other photo with the ISP mark on the photo itself, never saw it at a presser, and only ever heard of one photo being mentioned by all agencies from 2/15 and onward.

I have always been curious about exactly when the second photo was released and even wonder if it was accidentally leaked by someone in LE. Just finding it odd that LE has never directly "claimed" nor referred to it.

 

[Elley Mae]

There were two pics originally released. They are still shots from a video that was taken by Libby (per LE). I have heard they are only using one image now, but can't verify that.

Is the image that is shown.with the girls having the trees between them and him from one of the two that were originally released?

 

[cindersoot]

There is a narrow road that runs behind the cemetery, does anyone know about this?