IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #23

[Rustin Cohle]

" I can't see him being able to strangle them either....that's 3-5 minutes, minimum,"


Not necessarily, a blood choke (rear naked choke) carotid restraints or sleeper holds are a form of strangulation that compress one or both carotid arteries and/or the jugular veins without compressing the airway, hence causing cerebral ischemia and a temporary hypoxic condition in the brain. A well applied blood choke may lead to unconsciousness in as little as 8 seconds and death in about 60 depending on the size of the victim. Properly applied blood chokes require little physical strength. Marines are typically not allowed to apply full pressure of this move during martial arts training and the Marine being choked is to tap immediately once he feels the effects.

 

[deugirtni]

Today is only Wednesday in the USA. 7:26am Wednesday morning to be exact. You still have like 26.5 hours to wait (assuming it's at 10am like the only other one they've had so far), just trying to be helpful.

Not to mention, that if it is a press conference for the families, then I doubt if police will be announcing any news, I think they would have their own PC.... agree/disagree?

 

[IllinoisMissing]

I have never seen wanted pictures in a place to eat, only canceled checks that bounced. Don't post offices put up wanted posters?

Nor have I. My hope was that they would put up this particular flyer near a cash register in the retail store area.

I understand not wanting a wall of wanted posters and it's difficult to understand that this is not quite the same thing, I guess. Or seems different to me.

I posted the response not to debate it, but as information. Contacting the truck stops was the only way I could find to try and help find this monster but I do understand their thought process.



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[AuctionGal]

I have never seen wanted pictures in a place to eat, only canceled checks that bounced. Don't post offices put up wanted posters?

They used to post federal wanted posters, but not any longer. They stopped many years ago. I'm a retired postmaster and remember not liking it when we were told about the change. You may still see some in some post offices, but most likely not.

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[Tutskee]

Libby's Grandad is all I have seen confirmed

From http://delphitimes.net/localnews.html:

The Family of Liberty German Will Speak to the Media Thursday​

- What: The Family of murdered Delphi teenager Liberty German would like to make a public statement

- When: Thursday March 9th, 2017 at 10:00 a.m.

- Where: Carroll County Courthouse, 101 W. Main Street, Delphi, IN 46923. The news conference will take place in the County Museum in the west wing of the building.

Investigators continue to comb through thousands of tips, and are encouraging people to continue to submit those tips. At the time of this release there is no update on status of the investigation. Police will be on hand Thursday morning to answer questions from the media.

*Please note: The family representitve will answer questions from the media however he will not speak about the investigation.

 

[Burnt Toast]

It would be good to get an FBI profile of BG today at the press conference if it was possible. The press conference is going to be emotional your heart always breaks for the families especially those who have tragically lost young loved ones.

When is the press conference today?

 

[TripleTried]

*IMO*
Having a father who was LE, I agree he cannot disclose. I think the "umms" & hesitation is because he IS following a script. HE CAN'T talk about it, & is, I guarantee, tired of having to answer the same questions OVER & OVER & not slipping up with information that he & his counterparts talk about constantly & now talking to people that he cant divulge the information to.
Think of your friend telling you a secret & saying "don't tell".....usually it gets talked about once or twice....easy to not slip up in conversation vs really having to separate your conversations from the job you are doing 24/7, or talking about the things being said around town.
I have followed no other SM about this case, but I am a aware that people talk....I mean, a volunteer found these poor girls, & likely at least a couple volunteers came upon the scene.(though it has not been said...it has been said 'a searcher' discovered them)

Now, maybe they really don't have much as far as getting closer to catching the perp(BG) .....but maybe they do. I recall them saying they have more info (video/pics), but hopefully will not have to release any more. Well, they haven't released anymore as of yet. At 3 weeks in, we could ask the question.. 'why?'
Do you (general you) believe that they are not releasing more info because they are honing in on someone?
Because they actually have no info to give, despite saying they hope they don't have to.. because it is what 'nightmares are made of'?
Or because they just don't care about catching the guy?

again, my thoughts & opinions

Well said. I hope at the press conference tomorrow we learn more information.

 

[skibaboo]

Just a quick point about the blurry photos

Since they crime was not committed on the video apparently, this guy "could" just be some simple moron out with his dog for a walk. I doubt it but it is possible.

Imagine the lawsuit the police dept would have blasting this guys picture on 6000 billboards crystal clearly if he was somehow not involved.

With today's technology, i find it so hard to believe this is the best they have. Not to mention, the photo has artifacts of manipulation in it.

My opinion is they decreased the resolution to give just enough info on him for leads, but not enough where he could sue.

Respectfully I highly doubt that, very highly doubt that. They have declared him their main suspect, they have declared he participated in the murders, they must have evidence that proves that. He's on the FBI's most wanted list, he's not some simple guy walking his dog, he is an (accused) murderer.

 

[Soulmagent]

Just a quick point about the blurry photos

Since they crime was not committed on the video apparently, this guy "could" just be some simple moron out with his dog for a walk. I doubt it but it is possible.

Imagine the lawsuit the police dept would have blasting this guys picture on 6000 billboards crystal clearly if he was somehow not involved.

With today's technology, i find it so hard to believe this is the best they have. Not to mention, the photo has artifacts of manipulation in it.

My opinion is they decreased the resolution to give just enough info on him for leads, but not enough where he could sue.

A person of interest can be someone who LE thinks would be interesting to speak.

A suspect is someone who is suspected of a crime.

 

[skibaboo]

When is the press conference today?

Is this a new drinking game?

It's not today, it is tomorrow (Thursday)

 

[CementPond]

I agree with the part in bold. Find it very hard to believe they aren't able to better enhance it (or maybe they have? but not sure why they wouldn't show it if so). I've watched several specials on various types of crimes where detectives showed and explained technology that helped them solve the case and I know I HAVE seen that technology being put to use. In one particular show I saw them take a shot of a VERY blurry license plate from a car a great distance away and I could not believe how clear it was once they enhanced it. At first I was like, yeah right, there is no way they're gonna get a clear image of what it says. Well, they sure proved me wrong. It was amazing!

Just a quick point about the blurry photos

Since they crime was not committed on the video apparently, this guy "could" just be some simple moron out with his dog for a walk. I doubt it but it is possible.

Imagine the lawsuit the police dept would have blasting this guys picture on 6000 billboards crystal clearly if he was somehow not involved.

With today's technology, i find it so hard to believe this is the best they have. Not to mention, the photo has artifacts of manipulation in it.

My opinion is they decreased the resolution to give just enough info on him for leads, but not enough where he could sue.

 

[deugirtni]

IMO, if there was a way to further enhance the photo, LE would have done so by now. The FBI has more sophisticated means than we do.

To me, whomever might know the suspect, will know the suspect from that photograph, it doesn't need to be enhanced for the people who know him, imho. And same with the voice clip. If someone who knows the suspect hears the voice, even just those three words, and they combine it with the photo, they're going to know the voice too, and be able to match it and then have 2 clues telling them they need to make that call. How can police go through 10,000+ tips without something getting lost along the way??? Someone somewhere posted a blown up shot of that first guy whose home was searched and WOW, talk about looking just like the BG. Police have said that the people who live in that house are not suspects at this time. Maybe they need to do a bit more digging. jmo

 

[CementPond]

I agree. I think someone or several people probably have recognized him and are struggling with turning him in. And/or possibly even in denial about what they're seeing and being told about this person. But I do believe someone will eventually speak up. IMO it will probably eat away at them more so (sadly) than the BG himself. JMO

To me, whomever might know the suspect, will know the suspect from that photograph, it doesn't need to be enhanced for the people who know him, imho. And same with the voice clip. If someone who knows the suspect hears the voice, even just those three words, and they combine it with the photo, they're going to know the voice too, and be able to match it and then have 2 clues telling them they need to make that call. How can police go through 10,000+ tips without something getting lost along the way??? Someone somewhere posted a blown up shot of that first guy whose home was searched and WOW, talk about looking just like the BG. Police have said that the people who live in that house are not suspects at this time. Maybe they need to do a bit more digging. jmo

 

[SuziQ]

Agree. Good point.

Psychotic drifter being mad at happy kids that are filming him could definitely be a possibility.

ITA. Trails, especially those that run along a river attract a lot of homeless. You may not see them, but they are there. A couple of years ago, I lived Downtown with a lot of homeless. Most were out of their mind from, I assume, mental illness or substance abuse. Very violent and dangerous people. There was no predictability in how they were going to react to your presence. Once, I was driving down the street in my car, when a woman blocked me and violently went after me. I was able to reverse my car, jump a median and get away. I stopped to warn two little boys on their bicycles, about this lady. I thought, Dear god, what would have happened if I was on my bike. Once on a bike trail, my now husband, had to kick a man away from us after he tried to grab at us as we rode by him. This is the same trail, that I previously talked about, where homeless lived along the river. They usually stay out of site and well hidden. But if they made an appearance, they reacted badly to your presence.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Just a quick point about the blurry photos

Since they crime was not committed on the video apparently, this guy "could" just be some simple moron out with his dog for a walk. I doubt it but it is possible.

Imagine the lawsuit the police dept would have blasting this guys picture on 6000 billboards crystal clearly if he was somehow not involved.

With today's technology, i find it so hard to believe this is the best they have. Not to mention, the photo has artifacts of manipulation in it.

My opinion is they decreased the resolution to give just enough info on him for leads, but not enough where he could sue.

I sorta doubt the FBI, who need ID on the suspect and FAST would tend to care about lawsuits when it comes to protecting the public. At least I hope so.

 

[Soulmagent]

While I appreciate your right to express an opinion, I don't consider ensuring that you "have a clue a serial sex offender may be having dinner across from" you is a realistic business practice.

I think their response (in fact to even respond) was thoughtful, considerate, and appropriate.

Just my opinion.

I only want to point out that if one lives across the street from me ,where I have dinner every night ,the law requires it be public information. So it should be required that wanted posters for the top teir offenders be posted in bussinesses that service the public ..Just like they are required to be handicapped accessible. That is if they do not want to comply on their own complusion.

 

[kizzykat]

I've tried to read every single post but have skipped a couple pages when things were moving fast. I didn't see this mentioned, so apologies if it's rehashing a topic.

I've repeatedly listened to the audio released by the ISP immediately after the press conference. I've listened with and without headphones. I heard and still hear "Git down the hill." However I also hear two separate and distinct background noises. One is the crunching of leaves. But the other sound that has really been bugging me is a rhythmic 'whooshing' noise. It finally just occurred to me last night that it sounds rather similar to the sound when taking blood pressure with a manual cuff & stethoscope. I'm wondering if Libby quickly slipped the phone in her top/bra to hide it while it was still taping and the microphone is picking up her heartbeat? I tried to recreate it using my iPhone video and voice memo app and walking up/down stairs. It picks up my footsteps on the stairs but not my heartbeat. But then I'm not in the same emotional place she was, which at that point could've been adrenaline rushing and fear/panic/sheer terror. I will note that with my experimenting the video camera recorder picks up more sounds and with more clarity than the voice memo app on my phone.

If Libby's phone was hidden away tucked in her top/bra, that could indicate the phone stayed with her & was recording much longer than if she had opted to go through the motion of reaching for it, taking it out of her top (which he might see, or she wasn't able to do) and her pitching it on the ground at some point along the way. Which could also indicate that BG found it himself, and he pitched it. (I've felt all along LE has the actual phone. I've also felt she clung to that phone as long as she possibly could. Even if she couldn't use it right away to get help, she'd cling to it in case she did get an opportunity. IOW from a psychological perspective it was a lifeline - a means of connecting to others that when one is in distress they don't want to lose.) All this is MOO.

http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

 

[skibaboo]

Alexis McAdams
1 hr ·
WATCH: Police continue manhunt for killer of two Delphi teens, community raises reward money

https://www.facebook.com/AlexisMcAdamsTV/videos/1606870235993844/

 

[nerdgirl]

This is not really new, but just posted on twitter:

[video=twitter;839500960137367554]https://twitter.com/ISPIndianapolis/status/839500960137367554[/video]

 

[Steleheart]

TT this case is making us all lose our marbles lol.

I think I lost mine a long time ago LOL

Maybe we need to put out a BOLO

Here you go guys...