IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #32

[Steleheart]

It is in the video found in this article. The quote is the hearing has been "continued" at the request of his attorney. 1:17ish. Continuance= postponement.

https://www.fox59.com/2017/03/17/au...nt-in-connection-with-delphi-murder-case/amp/

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I searched Everywhere for that, LOL.

Now I realize it won't show in the court record until Monday.

Thank You!

 

[Angelcat13]

It's possible that the suspect assaulted the girls in one of the buildings on the property, and then he left the area.

Or a local person has a job or life-style that has them travel and they are looking for other crimes or victims.

 

[24Roses]

Add it up.. the number means evil.

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Elizabeth Collins dad did mention that in one of his recent interviews. Something about a cult.

 

[OpusEponymous]

Lawering up is the smart thing to do especially when the circumstances are as grave as this. I wouldn't speak to the police without counsel because I would want to ensure everything was on the up and up and that my rights weren't being trampled.

It's easy to think that if you are innocent you have nothing to fear from just being truthful but words can be twisted and given new meaning and the veil of suspicion, if cast over you, can be hard to shake.

Even nervous body language can be used to infer guilt or wrongdoing. We see it all the time in cases like this, when innocent people are interviewed on tv, their every word and facial gesture analysed and judgements made on the spot about not crying on cue, smiling too much or just being deemed a weirdo and the same inferences can just as easily be made in a police station.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Momma2cam]

The cab driver that was accused had a spotty criminal history, IIRC, and made statements about knowing some of the Green River victims because he had given them rides before. I don't believe his lawsuit went anywhere. The second guy who was a fur trapper, I don't know how he came to be on their radar, I believe it was something about him having traps set up in some of the areas that the bodies were found. In his case, LE was so sure that they had the right guy that they leaked it to the news media and one paper ran a headline with his name saying that the GRK had been caught. I believe he was able to successfully sue them for it.

I need to read up on this case. Some of the comments made about it have scared me away, though!

Thanks for the info. It seems like LE are darned if they do and darned if they don't in high profile investigations. If they aren't issuing search warrants and openly investigating, they are condemned for not doing enough.

If they are presumably actively following up on leads and investigating appropriately, they are accused of initiating a witch hunt or scapegoating, especially perhaps if the person of interest doesn't fit the assumed profile.

As for this case, it seems impossible (without insider knowledge) to be convinced that LE is wasting their time and just starting over to check something off. That certainly could be true but it could be equally true that a lead (RL statement, fast tracked results, anonymous tip) provided just cause for a search warrant and that an arrest is imminent (not necessarily of RL but maybe someone that stayed at his home with or without permission).

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[TeaTime]

Agreed. I know dozens of 70-some year olds who are pretty able bodied.

There was a time when people in their 60s were old and people >70 were on death's door. I just don't think that's the case anymore. I think with medical advances and with the fitness crazes that swept a lot of them up in the 70s and 80s, they're often more healthy, active, and fit.

Heck, an 80-some year old at my gym lifts competitively, and I know two distance runners who are also in their 80s. My gym in the mornings is jammed with oldies who often outpace and outlast me, and I'm no slacker.

So it doesn't seem odd to me to think of someone in their 70s doing fairly physical things. That said, I'm not making the case against RL. Just saying age alone doesn't preclude people from doing pretty physical stuff.

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The above is just my opinion.

Love this story but please realize that you are seeing ALL of the ones who are capable of doing these things. There are a hundred of their peers who can't. Most can't. You are seeing the exceptions. It is sorta like being in the one-legged, snow ski champions group. Rare.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Elizabeth Collins dad did mention that in one of his recent interviews. Something about a cult.

Thanks, any chance you remember which interview?

 

[layer]

If they called him by name, he would have been arrested first thing. If they indicated any recognition of him, they wouldn't have waited this long to bring him in.

This is true, but we have no idea if the girls knew him well enough to name him, or even if their voices even occur in the video. All we know for sure is that, at some point, a guy says "down the hill".

 

[Rosewater20]

I think I would just want to move out too. .would not feel safe there as it is fairly isolated and very a very wooded area . I would be scared the killer was still lurking around. Do you think a man living on his own would not be as concerned about his own safety?

 

[layer]

Agreed. I know dozens of 70-some year olds who are pretty able bodied.

There was a time when people in their 60s were old and people >70 were on death's door. I just don't think that's the case anymore. I think with medical advances and with the fitness crazes that swept a lot of them up in the 70s and 80s, they're often more healthy, active, and fit.

Heck, an 80-some year old at my gym lifts competitively, and I know two distance runners who are also in their 80s. My gym in the mornings is jammed with oldies who often outpace and outlast me, and I'm no slacker.

So it doesn't seem odd to me to think of someone in their 70s doing fairly physical things. That said, I'm not making the case against RL. Just saying age alone doesn't preclude people from doing pretty physical stuff.

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The above is just my opinion.

When I was 8 my 90 yr old great-grandfather walked 5 miles to our house (and arrived shortly after dawn) so he could make bunk beds for us.

 

[whiskers]

Could this search warrant, investigating, and the items carried out by LE be for another reason?

Do we know if the doors to the house, barn, or other buildings were locked?

Could it be LE is looking for evidence or even fingerprinting to check if BG was in any of these structures? Perhaps BG was not an invited guest, but while RL was away that day, if doors were unlocked, BG may have helped himself inside.

If a monster can murder two innocent girls, what would keep him from entering an unoccupied/empty structure?

ETA: Do we know what size RL is? BG's clothes appeared big on him. Could BG have gotten into RL's house and stolen his clothes to wear before he committed the crime?

My opinions only.

Those are all great points. Incredibly valid and I agree.

But I really can't stress enough that sort of investigation should have happened five weeks ago.

 

[chocolope]

This is true, but we have no idea if the girls knew him well enough to name him, or even if their voices even occur in the video. All we know for sure is that, at some point, a guy says "down the hill".

Fascinating point IMO. I have been really considering scenarios beginning with BG confroting the girls immediately after the photos, him or someone directing them "down the bridge" to the murder site. Can't really come up with a plausible scenario where that's not the context. Your ideas?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Not exactly ... police have said that the man in the photo is a suspect.

I know he is a suspect, but they also said they can't say for sure he's the killer.

 

[mandy.maree]

I know he is a suspect, but they also said they can't say for sure he's the killer.

They (LE)have said he "participated in the girls deaths"

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[azshadowwalker]

I totally agree. It may seem heartless or cold to some here, but I'm looking out for myself. Horrific crime happens on my property? I'm on the phone with a lawyer immediately, and I'm not answering any police questions without counsel. I don't care how that looks to LE, the public, or the cat down the street. I know my rights and won't waive them, especially in such a serious situation.

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Absolutely. I have seen far too many false confession cases where someone who thought they should help ended up being manipulated into not only implicating themselves in a crime they didn't commit, but dragging other innocent people into the case. People have ended up in prison that way, with only DNA proving innocence years later. Others have been thrown in jail, only to have law enforcement finally realize how badly they screwed up. Of course, by that time, the person has lost his job, likely been evicted, and will forever have people giving him the side-eye because they don't understand the manipulation that goes on in a police interrogation. They will always say, "If he was really innocent, why did he confess?"

 

[layer]

They (LE)have said he "participated in the girls deaths"

Link?

 

[mandy.maree]

Link?

Police have been circulating the images all week. At first, they said they only wanted to talk to him.

Now they say he participated in the killings.

http://www.wthr.com/article/man-pho...ail-now-named-suspect-in-murder-of-teen-girls

Theres a few. Its what lead me to believe more than one killer as they used the word "participated" (took part in,had a role)

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[margarita25]

(Alright, just getting in and caught up but wanted to post this before I forget. I'm ticked because I'm paying for a monthly subscription to a background check service. Now, when I'm running the names, it basically says "we've found something, and for just another $20 bucks, you can view it..."boooooo...total BS.)

 

[CKN]

The shoulders though seem to have a different bone structure. Perhaps it's a family member?

 

[Wsimm]

How devastating for them. It is a terrifying thought to think how quickly your life would change if wrongly accused.

It makes me wonder, though, who is to blame? Who was sued in those cases? Is the media to blame? Is the prosecutor to blame for issuing a warrant? Are LE to blame for supplying allegedly false information to obtain the warrant? Or, are LE to blame for publicly calling someone a suspect and vilifying them through the media? Or, citizens on social media?

I wonder if that's why LE is being so careful with their words and not publicly labeling anyone a suspect at this time, other than the unidentified BG. I imagine it is hard enough to investigate a double homicide and then to have to answer to the media and public with carefully chosen words would just make it harder. So far, it seems they have issued numerous warrants and have said no arrests have been made as a result. They specify they have no suspects "at this time" and that RL is incarcerated on unrelated charges and has not been charged related to the double homicide "at this time." It leaves the door open for future charges pending evidence but does not vilify anyone publicly without cause. JMO.

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Agree! I'm going to go off topic here.... I think you hit it on media! So many of us not only watch local news or world news on a local channel, tune into CNN/FOX, as well as view criminal news stories such as Dateline, Snapped or 48 Hours. On any given day we witness horrible ottrocites to human kind! Because of media outlets I feel our braines are led to believe it's happening next door, right in our own city, happening every day! This is simply not the case! It's happening, but not everyday, not in every city and not next door. I also feel that what so much of what we see reported in the news defines our reality rather than ourselves defining it! Ask yourselfs when was the las time you saw a news anchor, a reporter, a corespondent deliver the news without making a personal comment following the news story? Thats not newsworthy only personal opinion! Media has so much power today! Its unfortunate that in a murder case like this, LE feels they need to answer to the media..... LE needs to investigate, re investigate if needed and only answer to the parents of these children!