IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 - #33

[Tokalu]

I have to wonder if RL, if an alcoholic, is experiencing withdrawal and is willing to point the finger at anyone to get out of jail.

It's crazy to think, hypothetically, how substance abuse and/or family drama on the property owner's behalf could impact this case ...

 

[apples12]

I'm very aware of the other meanings of the word 'rape', what I'm trying to convey is that at his age, this word usually means one thing only and that is sexual assault. JMO

Of course you may be right...but IMOO it really is a very, very odd word to use about himself (feeling "raped") in this particular circumstance. My hunch (IMOO) is that some people unconsciously reveal themselves out of deeply felt guilt (need for self-punishment)...like making revealing word choices, getting re-arrested for probation violations knowing LE is watching, leaving bodies on your own property, etc.

 

[Deleted member 278]

LE doesn't usually care if their investigation causes a 'tizzy'. That said, I agree that the search should have been conducted at the beginning, 'tizzy' or not.

I didn't say anything about LE caring whether or not they were creating a tizzy.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

I have to wonder if RL, if an alcoholic, is experiencing withdrawal and is willing to point the finger at anyone to get out of jail.

Interesting thought.

 

[FreeRoad]

This. A close relative has not had a license in over 20 years due to past suspensions that he's never fully paid the fines and fees for. He works daily and has his vehicles titled and insured in another family member's name. JMO.

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OK! Thank you! The truck we saw towed looks like one somebody with a full-time or well-paying job would buy. jmo. moo. Just What I Think.

 

[BeesInMyBonnet]

He has a horse trailer on the property and most likely the truck was needed for it Farm guys usually have later model pickups This looks like about a 2000 or up model

Would the truck have integrated GPS that LEO could use to track its travels on February 13 + 14?


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[lonetraveler]

I respectfully disagree. I think older people (myself included) are very likely to use rape to describe things other than sexual assault.

Well, I'm a retired corporate Business Law professional, well read and if someone used the word 'rape' to describe his property while making a statement about two young girls found murdered on my property If I was LE I would take notice. JMO

 

[Tokalu]

RL's comment about feeling "raped" could be explained in a multitude of ways IMO ...

He could be the killer and made a slip. I find that unlikely atm but I have been wrong before.

If he is an alcoholic, he could be rather narcissistic. In his mind, he is a victim like the two girls. Someone has totally disrupted his lifestyle and his privacy. He might feel shame for so many people now knowing he is an alcoholic. He may feel like the world is against him and life is unfair. I know for a fact that is exactly how an alcoholic male family member of mine would react.

Also, he could simply not be very well spoken. Sometimes people with no background in public speaking say dumb things when interviewed. Especially in a circumstance like this.

 

[Tricia]

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[Hopingtohelp]

I respectfully disagree. Reporters/Television shows were probably ringing his phone off the hook wanting interviews. Probably even offered him money. I for one don't find it odd that an older man dressed up nicer (let's be real he wasn't wearing a tux just a nicer shirt and jeans). I also was shocked that a reporter asked him to say down the hill clearly looking to sensationalize the story further.

ETA We also have no idea how these news agencies/ reporters edited the clips to change our perception. Not everything is as it seems because a news agency says so.

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I agree that it would be normal for a person to dress up a bit for an interview and that RL felt he was helping the investigation by doing interviews. So far I am not convinced that RL was involved in any way. I hope I am right.

 

[Momma2cam]

This is the kind of stuff that would result in that judge being disbarred in the two states I've worked.

Without exception.


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Not to trail off topic but to clarify, I'm not referring to blatant rulings that violate the law. I'm referring to unintentional judgments and bias that impact judgments within the context of the law. In a recent local media case, a semi -celeb recently had a sexual assault case against him completely dismissed at pre trial despite having several stranger witnesses (unknown to victim or alleged offender), video surveillance, and DNA evidence. Dismissed at PRE-TRIAL! Certainly there was plenty for it to be bound over but it was dismissed. First time I've ever seen that much evidence in a case period and then for it to not even go to trial was... curious. Most, though, are not that blatant.

Back on topic, it is impossible to speculate how easy it was or wasn't to obtain the PPO against RL. It is also impossible to speak to the validity of the complaint that warranted the restraint without more info. JMO.

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[lonetraveler]

Of course you may be right...but IMOO it really is a very, very odd word to use about himself (feeling "raped") in this particular circumstance. My hunch (IMOO) is that some people unconsciously reveal themselves out of deeply felt guilt (need for self-punishment)...like making revealing word choices, getting re-arrested for probation violations knowing LE is watching, leaving bodies on your own property, etc.

We are actually making the same point and agree, however you made a much better statement. Just to make an excuse for myself. I'm trying to type with just my left hand; my right is in a cast.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

I agree. What is that hole?????

If the window opens, it would be the bolt to the inside latch. Not a hole. (Been awhile since I've been in a F250 or 350 so not positive).

 

[EyeCandy]

Would the truck have integrated GPS that LEO could use to track its travels on February 13 + 14?


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No idea if that model would have

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I can't help it but at this point I feel terrible for him and I just can't see much similarity between this situation and the one with that monster of a father poor Dylan had. I feel like RL's life is being ruined. It's hard to shake something like this even when you are cleared. I sincerely hope LE has a damn good reason for this and that if there is no connection found they very publicly and definitively state that.

I am by no means comparing the two. The only similarity is that we were able to sleuth MR without him being named POI same as here. I trust the mods know what they are doing. Moo

 

[Burnt Toast]

Do we know RL's license is suspended?

i was wondering the same thing.

 

[No it's not]

Would the truck have integrated GPS that LEO could use to track its travels on February 13 + 14?


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That's what I've been wondering too. I do not assume they are installing a tracker - now....Perhaps taking it off..? ;--)

-Nin

 

[lonetraveler]

Hi Everyone,

We have a very strict rule about not discussing psychics, numerology, ghosts or anything along this line,

The only time we allow the discussion about any of the above is if we have a specific thread on the topic and usually the topic is in the Jury Room.

Please keep any mention of these topics off of this discussion.

This is my second and final warning.

Thank you,
Tricia

:loveyou: Hi Tricia, does this mean that we can have a thread 'down below'?

 

[Tokalu]

Interesting. Website regarding Indiana laws on obtaining and executing search warrants ... http://law.justia.com/codes/indiana/2012/title35/article33/chapter5

Tidbits of interest in bold.
IC 35-33-5-1
Issuance by court; probable cause; oath and affirmation; "place" defined; objects of search
Sec. 1. (a) A court may issue warrants only upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, to search any place for any of the following:
(1) Property which is obtained unlawfully.
(2) Property, the possession of which is unlawful.
(3) Property used or possessed with intent to be used as the means of committing an offense or concealed to prevent an offense from being discovered.
(4) Property constituting evidence of an offense or tending to show that a particular person committed an offense.
(5) Any person.
(6) Evidence necessary to enforce statutes enacted to prevent cruelty to or neglect of children.
(7) A firearm possessed by a person who is dangerous (as defined in IC 35-47-14-1).
(b) As used in this section, "place" includes any location where property might be secreted or hidden, including buildings, persons, or vehicles.
As added by Acts 1981, P.L.298, SEC.2. Amended by Acts 1982, P.L.204, SEC.10; P.L.187-2005, SEC.1; P.L.1-2006, SEC.526.

IC 35-33-5-2
Affidavit; descriptions; information to establish credibility of hearsay; form
Sec. 2. (a) Except as provided in section 8 of this chapter, no warrant for search or arrest shall be issued until there is filed with the judge an affidavit:
(1) particularly describing:
(A) the house or place to be searched and the things to be searched for; or
(B) particularly describing the person to be arrested;
(2) alleging substantially the offense in relation thereto and that the affiant believes and has good cause to believe that:
(A) the things as are to be searched for are there concealed; or
(B) the person to be arrested committed the offense; and
(3) setting forth the facts then in knowledge of the affiant or information based on hearsay, constituting the probable cause.
(b) When based on hearsay, the affidavit must either:
(1) contain reliable information establishing the credibility of the source and of each of the declarants of the hearsay and establishing that there is a factual basis for the information furnished; or
(2) contain information that establishes that the totality of the circumstances corroborates the hearsay.

I know in most cases, LE has to have a specific thing in mind to be searching for to be granted a search warrant. Do you suppose that finding a body on the property would change that, however? I suppose my question ultimately is - is a search warrant standard on a property where a body was found - property owner compliant or not?

 

[Bemused]

No idea if that model would have

Also seems logical the LEOs have a warrant for RL's cell phone records for that time span of 13th & 14th. Not everyone carries a phone at all times but many do.