IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

[WebSight]

Good Morning!

I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about how this unfolded.

I'm assuming that the suspect parked his vehicle in the trees at the South end of the cemetery, and that he accessed the bridge from the SE end. If that is true, was he at the North entrance to the park when the girls arrived? Did he have another victim in mind, perhaps he saw a single woman in the parking area? What led him to park in a secluded area and look for a victim in the park?

Good morning Otto!

Let me try to see where you are going with this. So, parking at the cemetery. But are you saying he walked across the bridge (from north to south) and laid wait, and then entered the bridge from the south once the girls were on? Or are you saying that he waded across the creek and then entered the bridge from the south?

I have a question for you; if he did park at the cemetery, do you think it possible he used the deer stand to scope things out?

 

[BoggLed in Ohio]

Good Morning!

I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about how this unfolded.

I'm assuming that the suspect parked his vehicle in the trees at the South end of the cemetery, and that he accessed the bridge from the SE end. If that is true, was he at the North entrance to the park when the girls arrived? Did he have another victim in mind, perhaps he saw a single woman in the parking area? What led him to park in a secluded area and look for a victim in the park?

Also, given that there is a somewhat similar murder 5 years ago in Iowa, is there an industry that is common in Iowa and Indiana, and a job that doesn't involve long hauling? Although it may seem unlikely that two similar murders five years apart are unrelated, look at Joran van der Sloot - two similar murders five years apart.

Otto, I always agree with everything you say , we are on the same lines of thinking for all of this I believe. I tried to reply to one of your post the other day but I'm having connectivity problems with my phone, finally gave up trying but your theory how it all went down I agree with. I too think there is definitely a possible link with the Iowa girls and hope I can find time to research that more too.

 

[otto]

Good morning Otto!

Let me try to see where you are going with this. So, parking at the cemetery. But are you saying he walked across the bridge (from north to south) and laid wait, and then entered the bridge from the south once the girls were on? Or are you saying that he waded across the creek and then entered the bridge from the south?

I have a question for you; if he did park at the cemetery, do you think it possible he used the deer stand to scope things out?

Nope - speculating that he accessed the bridge from the SE end of the bridge, but why would he park at the cemetery and dress in a way that would obscure his identity if he didn't have a targeted victim(s) and a plan? Was he parked at the North entrance when people were arriving at the park - looking for a victim - and then he put his plan into action? If so, people who were at the park need to think harder about what they saw at the parking area that day between 11 and 1PM.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I don't understand--- the very fact that the two photos appear to show people of the exact same height is HUGE. It's almost a perfect physical match. But, I still believe that the photo of RL was altered (shrunken) to make him appear to be the same height as the Bridge Guy (BG).

In reality, RL is much taller than the guy on the bridge.

I agree these two images look similar but we need to be shown the original two separate images without manipulation so we can decide. Also, does anyone have details of a near octogenarian having ever been convicted of a double murder before?

Also, (and I have asked a couple of times before with no responses) were all schools off that day in the county or just Delphi? This would mean teachers and all other staff would be off as well as some parents/relatives needing to be off work too right?

 

[Steleheart]

Nope - speculating that he accessed the bridge from the SE end of the bridge, but why would he park at the cemetery and dress in a way that would obscure his identity if he didn't have a targeted victim(s) and a plan? Was he parked at the North entrance when people were arriving at the park - looking for a victim - and then he put his plan into action? If so, people who were at the park need to think harder about what they saw at the parking area that day between 11 and 1PM.

So if he parked at the cemetery and accessed the bridge from the SE end then he had to cross the creek to get there. He would have been wet all day. IMO
The cemetery is not the parking area so surely it would have attracted attention with a lone car parked there for a long time with no one around

 

[otto]

Otto, I always agree with everything you say , we are on the same lines of thinking for all of this I believe. I tried to reply to one of your post the other day but I'm having connectivity problems with my phone, finally gave up trying but your theory how it all went down I agree with. I too think there is definitely a possible link with the Iowa girls and hope I can find time to research that more too.

Thanks - trying to think like the suspect ... I am assuming that he murdered near his vehicle. There are two possibilities: the private driveway that goes under the bridge, and the South end of the cemetery. The cemetery is public property where a vehicle could go unnoticed, but a vehicle on the private driveway would definitely be noticed (more risky). That leaves me with the cemetery as the location of the suspect's vehicle. I wonder how carefully police have scoured the land between the body location and the cemetery.

I'm wondering if there's some sort of sales position that includes travel in Iowa and Indiana ... hog industry?

 

[otto]

So if he parked at the cemetery and accessed the bridge from the SE end then he had to cross the creek to get there. He would have been wet all day. IMO
The cemetery is not the parking area so surely it would have attracted attention with a lone car parked there for a long time with no one around

Someone posted the helicopter video on Thursday evening. If you watch that, it's clear that the water is ankle deep in some locations. Anyone wearing some kind of boots would not have wet feet.

The South end of the cemetery offers a good option for parking without necessarily being noticed.

 

[WebSight]

Nope - speculating that he accessed the bridge from the SE end of the bridge, but why would he park at the cemetery and dress in a way that would obscure his identity if he didn't have a targeted victim(s) and a plan? Was he parked at the North entrance when people were arriving at the park - looking for a victim - and then he put his plan into action? If so, people who were at the park need to think harder about what they saw at the parking area that day between 11 and 1PM.

So if I am following you right, you think he might have parked in the parking area initially to look for a victim(s) then moved his car to the cemetery to carry out the plan once he pinpointed one(s) and provide for a quick getaway? That is an interesting point. I still wonder how you think he got on the south end of the bridge though, he would either have to cross it and re-enter from the south or cross the creek and enter that way.

I wonder how much info LE was able to get from that house at the 300 N entrance. They probably see cars come and go all the time and probably stopped noticing years ago.

 

[ab01]

Good Morning!

I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about how this unfolded.

I'm assuming that the suspect parked his vehicle in the trees at the South end of the cemetery, and that he accessed the bridge from the SE end. If that is true, was he at the North entrance to the park when the girls arrived? Did he have another victim in mind, perhaps he saw a single woman in the parking area? What led him to park in a secluded area and look for a victim in the park?

Also, given that there is a somewhat similar murder 5 years ago in Iowa, is there an industry that is common in Iowa and Indiana, and a job that doesn't involve long hauling? Although it may seem unlikely that two similar murders five years apart are related, look at Joran van der Sloot - two similar murders five years apart.

I'm not sure bg had a vehicle, I think he may have walked/hiked....moo


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[Steleheart]

Not expecting much from the sentencing today unless MSM is all over it. Possible but things turn slowly there.

JMO

 

[Lilowlet]

These people had a close call with an attempted abduction. They mentioned Abby and Libby. Just wanted to share what I came across while looking at attempted abduction in the surrounding areas of Delphi. Sorry if shared already, it just shows how this has affected so many there and everywhere. If not allowed delete but they didn't find those people trying to do this as far as I know. And it mentioned the girls
http://www.wthr.com/article/mom-war...-child-abduction-attempt-in-indy-neighborhood

My previous post also makes me feel as though it's possible more than one person could have been involved. But possibly not too. I can't decide. IMO

 

[otto]

So if I am following you right, you think he might have parked in the parking area initially to look for a victim(s) then moved his car to the cemetery to carry out the plan once he pinpointed one(s) and provide for a quick getaway? That is an interesting point. I still wonder how you think he got on the south end of the bridge though, he would either have to cross it and re-enter from the south or cross the creek and enter that way.

I wonder how much info LE was able to get from that house at the 300 N entrance. They probably see cars come and go all the time and probably stopped noticing years ago.

I think he crossed the creek where it is ankle deep, crossed the private driveway, went up the hill, passed the girls, turned around and herded them off the SE end of the bridge. It's the only explanation for the fact that no one on the trails saw the suspect that day - he wasn't on the trails.

 

[Steleheart]

Someone posted the helicopter video on Thursday evening. If you watch that, it's clear that the water is ankle deep in some locations. Anyone wearing some kind of boots would not have wet feet.

The South end of the cemetery offers a good option for parking without necessarily being noticed.

It's thigh deep in other spots as well.

 

[WebSight]

I agree these two images look similar but we need to be shown the original two separate images without manipulation so we can decide. Also, does anyone have details of a near octogenarian having ever been convicted of a double murder before?

Also, (and I have asked a couple of times before with no responses) were all schools off that day in the county or just Delphi? This would mean teachers and all other staff would be off as well as some parents/relatives needing to be off work too right?

Another thing that struck me about the comparison with that particular photo is that the FBI is no longer using that one on their website and all the other websites across LE.

I am thinking that, in the end, they did not think that the darker one represented a true likeness. So, imho, I would think that if we are going to compare we should use the walking lighter one.

Don't know about the holidays though, sorry.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thanks - trying to think like the suspect ... I am assuming that he murdered near his vehicle. There are two possibilities: the private driveway that goes under the bridge, and the South end of the cemetery. The cemetery is public property where a vehicle could go unnoticed, but a vehicle on the private driveway would definitely be noticed (more risky). That leaves me with the cemetery as the location of the suspect's vehicle. I wonder how carefully police have scoured the land between the body location and the cemetery.

I'm wondering if there's some sort of sales position that includes travel in Iowa and Indiana ... hog industry?

Isn't there also a path from the cemetery and CS on the North side of the creek that leads across the creek via the Monon High Bridge? No need to get wet trousers then and it would put BG on the bridge walking South as shown in the video stills. JMO.

 

[otto]

I'm not sure bg had a vehicle, I think he may have walked/hiked....moo


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It's very difficult/risky to make a quick getaway from a double murder on foot. No one saw the suspect walking down the road after the murders, so I am inclined to rule out that he walked from the scene of the murders to where ever he lives.

 

[otto]

It's thigh deep in other spots as well.

It certainly is deep in some areas, but the suspect and the children very likely crossed the creek where it is shallow ... ankle deep.

 

[Lilowlet]

It's very difficult/risky to make a quick getaway from a double murder on foot. No one saw the suspect walking down the road after the murders, so I am inclined to rule out that he walked from the scene of the murders to where ever he lives.

Think it's possible BG had a get away driver. Maybe it was a planned abduction that went further south bc the girls fought back? Just imo speculating

 

[otto]

Isn't there also a path from the cemetery and CS on the North side of the creek that leads across the creek via the Monon High Bridge? No need to get wet trousers then and it would put BG on the bridge walking South as shown in the video stills. JMO.

Is there? Are you able to locate it on these or any other maps:

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=1
http://maps.indiana.edu/index.html

 

[WebSight]

I think he crossed the creek where it is ankle deep, crossed the private driveway, went up the hill, passed the girls, turned around and herded them off the SE end of the bridge. It's the only explanation for the fact that no one on the trails saw the suspect that day - he wasn't on the trails.

And that could help me wrap my head around crossing the creek with the girls. If he had crossed it once, then he knew where to cross the other way. One question though, his shoes or boots, don't look like waders or wellies. Has he taken them off?