IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #62

[Bently]

RSBM



We also got the first description from LE as far as I can remember.

(Other than the "middle-aged male" comment from months ago.)

Can someone *verify* that LE also at one time said Caucasian? (with a link if they have it?)

 

[Mysti88c]

 

[Deleted member 278]

No. It is the Monon Trail on the north side of Indianapolis. Approximately seventy miles away from Delphi. moo

Doesn't rule him out, IMO. People saw him two days in a row (2/10 and 2/11). If he was determined to carry out his flashing, he could very well have traveled elsewhere since he would know LE would be on the lookout for him in the previous area.

 

[Bently]

JMO, someone already knows or strongly suspects the identity of the killer. Because the first photos were not distinct, it may have given them a rationale or excuse for not coming forward to LE. Maybe the more detailed sketch will remove any doubt and force those who know the killer to finally act on their suspicions.

Reviewing this thread recently after staying away for a few months, it seems even more obvious that someone out there knows who this is. There's a photo near the actual crime scene on the day it happened. There's a recording of the voice. That's an unusual amount of information about a perp that's been widely distributed and discussed in the news media, more than any case in recent history. Someone knows who this is, I'm totally convinced. Hopefully, with the new drawing, it will erase all doubt and they'll finally come forward.

One thing about the presser that actually was surprising to me, was that they did NOT mention the award amount.



Why wouldn't they want the media to have that highlighted? I'm sure (well, not really, but would expect!) the FBI also is involved with this presser behind the scenes, and would have told them to reinforce the award of.. ? it's up to $230,000.00???

 

[Ontario Mom]

That is what I think. He kind of resembles Chris O'Donnell.
https://www.google.com/search?q=chr...3JDVAhWIhFQKHW4TAngQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=633

I was thinking more along the lines of a younger William Peterson (Gil Grissom from CSI) but there's someone else he resembles as well, just can't think of his name. Maybe he's just got "one of those faces" that have common & familiar features?

 

[Jax49]

I corrected my post... the OP was correct, I WAS WRONG and did an ETA on my post.

ETA:

Instead of merely deleting my post and wiping out my mistake, I'll just apologize for being incorrect.

I WAS WRONG!

Q. So there are people out there who are sure that are sure they saw this guy walking around this day and they helped you out, it that?

A. Pretty much that's what it is, yes.

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As did I. Deleted that is.

 

[Deleted member 278]

Can someone look up arrest record for BW to see what his weight and height are? TIA. I have no idea where to search for it.

 

[Tricia]

Could someone please post a side by side of the suspect sketch and Brandon Whitacre? Please remove the other suspect's picture. All I can find is one picture with both suspects.

Thanks

 

[Wondergirl]

I personally did transcription of presser, please excuse any errors
...........

"Good morning, thank you for showing up. Basically as you all know, we have sent you out an email with two photos in it. We would like you to put both those photos in those when you talk about this case. We want the original photo that was put out earlier and the composite photo. So please, when you are putting out your information we would like all that on there please. Thanks. Introducing a few people that are standing behind me before we get started here. We've got Lt. Tom McKee (sp?) from the Indiana State Police Post LaFayette. Tony Liggett from Carrole County Sherriff Department ,J??? Hammond from the Carrol County Sherriff's department. Jerry Hollman from the Indiana State Police Detective out of the Detectives out of the Layfayette Police department, and Tony Slocum, he's Public Information Officer out of the Peru post.

We're here to talk a little bit about the release that was put out so I'm just basically gonna open it up to questions. I will tell you now, most the information that you have in the news release is about all that can be released at this time, so there's not gonna be anything else real, um exciting that is going to be put out there but I will be happy to take questions and we'll go from there.

Q. How did you have an artist develp this sketch and is the sketch made with the help of eye witness or eye witnesses, or was it made solely from the other picture we have seen?

A. Basically, I can't really answer that question completely. I can tell you it came from the investigations itself, from officers looking into things, to tips and leads that have come in, that people have come forward, we got information from there, and the composite was put together with that information.

Q. Why release the sketch released just today? Did you just get finished, have other people seen this, including the family, now just the right time to release it?

A. This picture was release at this time because we felt it needed to come out, the information needs to be put forward, and we wanted to get it out there so people can look at it, and it has, it has taken a while to get this thing put together and that's why it's taken so long to get the picture out.

Q. In the realm of evidence and leads that you have, how big is this photograph, how much are you counting on this artist's sketch, or photograph of the sketch?

A. It's like anything else like this in a case. Anytime we get something new, or some information out there, we always feel it's important to the case. We feel this is very important because it actually give a better view of the perp, person in the picture that you see down below. It shows a little more facial features, it gives you a little more information on what we're looking at, who the suspect might be, and that's why we feel it's very important that this picture is out there at this time.

Q. What's so striking about this? What is the thing that investigators look at and say “Wow, that's the thing that is gonna make the thing that is gonna make this guy stand out from all the other men walking around.”

A. It's basically just a clearer picture of his face compared to what you saw down below. We've got the information out there, the pictures out there, now we've got this composite that we feel that is, we feel that is the same person, and we just want to make sure that people realize that picture is this person (ED: he's pointing BG, then to sketch) We're hoping that they can get that picture and take that picture and get us some information on a possible suspect.

Q. How confident are you that this is accurate?

A. We're pretty confident. The information was received, with that information we've been able to put that together. Again, this thing wasn't drawn up overnight. We've been working with this picture and with the suspects that we, excuse me, I mean the witnesses that we have, that we put this together so it's not something that we did overnight. This has taken awhile to put this together.

Q. Those witness, did they see him in the area, or did they call the tip line with that information?

A. I really can't go into that 'cause we don't want to compromise the case itself.

Q. Well, when you say witnesses, so multiple people that helped you out?

A. There were people that were able to help us out with this, yes.

Q. A lot of people will say that you guys are releasing this because you are running out of leads, that's not true in this case, right?

A. No, we are still getting anywhere from 5-10 tips a day. We are still getting emails, so it's not something that... this case is not dried up, it's not a cold case, this case if still very active.

Q. If you had not received the tips, we might not have seen this picture in the first place, right?

A. A possibility, yes

Q. What is the attitude of the troops working on this? The fact that there is a composite that is infinitely clearer than the picture that we have been looking at. What is the feeling among the investigators that have been grinding away and working on this for months.

A. Well, anytime that you get new information officers are always excited about that information. It kinda builds up their confidence on the case itself. With this information here, we're really, you know,
it really excites them, lets them know that people are still caring about this case and people are still interested. And we can get somebody to come forward with more information, if we can get a name, or at least a location of this subject, that would be great, but officers have never really gotten down on this case. I think they've, they are flustrated maybe, but as far as solving this thing, it's something that's never, we've always thought like we would solve this case.

Q. Who made sketch??? specific in here??? have you talked with those witnesses to come up with an exact look of this person?

A. It's basically just been a cumulation of all the departments have come together and we have put this composite together.

A. In the release you talk about not to focus on the hat, it may not be accurate. Can you talk a little about that so people at home …?

A. As you can see, the original picture below it appears that he's got a hat on and it's got the flaps down
and kind of down over the face. We want to make sure you focus on the picture. We want to make sure the face is what you are looking at and not worry about the hat even though the hat does is not quite the same as in the picture. We want the facial features, is what we want you to look at.

Q. If someone does recognizes this person, what should they do?

A. They can call the tip line, or they can email us.

Q. In the release you mentioned some things exactly such as the hair color, can you talk about this at this time

A. Basically, the hair color is a reddish brown. She was, the person was not clear on the color of the eyes, but sh.., the person said it was definitely not blue. She was very obvious..., the person was very obviously not blue eyes, but they did mention that they were not clear on what color it was.

Q. So there are people out there who are sure that are sure they saw this guy walking around this day and they helped you out, it that?

A. Pretty much that's what it is, yes.

Q. Did those people come forward right away, or did it take a little time for those people to come forward.

A. It's been a while. It took a little bit, people are scared, they are afraid to be recognized by the subject, so, it just takes a while for these things to happened. Like I said, the picture did not come overnight, we've been working on this for a while

Q. To you think this guy is still around the Delphi area, or you think he's in a different state?

A. That's what I hope this is all about.

Q. We've heard many times that somebody out there probably knows something, and is really driving home the point today to make sure you call no mater how little it may be, especially if you recognize this person.?

A. That's what we want, we want people to call in and give us information. Anybody that can give us an identification on this subject, or knows where the subject might be, that would be great, we would appreciate any information that we can get.

Q. So still have that voice, and you've posted that picture, and you have this other. So really three pieces of solid evidence that people can work with so that's gotta be a big development for the community today.

A. That is correct. We are really excited about the information being put out there. The dectectives and all the investigators that are involved are just basically waiting for the phones to ring.

Q. Will any more information or video be released from the cell phone that Libby had that day?

A. There's....I'm not going to comment on that, I don't wanna compromise that case.

Q. Just to be clear, do you know this man's identity and you are not releasing it, or you don't know who this guys identity?

A. We want to know who he is.

Q. Do you know.???.county and I know you said that....??? somebody around this area knows who he is and will possibly call in... (Cannot understand)

A. We are hoping somebody knows from wherever, we don't care where it's from, we just want to be able to find somebody that can identify this subject and can give us information on him.

Q. Any search warrants that are going to come now that you have released this person's picture, anything else developing after you put this picture out today?

A. We gotta just do the investigation at that point in time and see what happens

Anything else..............

THE END"

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42...=42f1c6b5793b39569e6f3a016126bda9&oe=596D0FA3

Huge thanks, Bently, I appreciate your effort here. I've done transcriptions before, and eagerly awaited yours on this. Transcriptions are very helpful.

Thanks again!

WG

 

[Jerrod]

I personally did transcription of presser, please excuse any errors
...........

"Good morning, thank you for showing up. Basically as you all know, we have sent you out an email with two photos in it. We would like you to put both those photos in those when you talk about this case. We want the original photo that was put out earlier and the composite photo. So please, when you are putting out your information we would like all that on there please. Thanks. Introducing a few people that are standing behind me before we get started here. We've got Lt. Tom McKee (sp?) from the Indiana State Police Post LaFayette. Tony Liggett from Carrole County Sherriff Department ,J??? Hammond from the Carrol County Sherriff's department. Jerry Hollman from the Indiana State Police Detective out of the Detectives out of the Layfayette Police department, and Tony Slocum, he's Public Information Officer out of the Peru post.

We're here to talk a little bit about the release that was put out so I'm just basically gonna open it up to questions. I will tell you now, most the information that you have in the news release is about all that can be released at this time, so there's not gonna be anything else real, um exciting that is going to be put out there but I will be happy to take questions and we'll go from there.

.............................................................

Q. Just to be clear, do you know this man's identity and you are not releasing it, or you don't know who this guys identity?

A. We want to know who he is.

.............................................................

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42...=42f1c6b5793b39569e6f3a016126bda9&oe=596D0FA3

Police spokesmen are adept at dodging questions while making it appear they're providing answers. This is a classic example. How damaging would it sound if - after 5 months of investigation - law enforcement's answer was, "We don't know who it is." They can't be that honest. It would reflect poorly on them and the media would be quick to make a headline out of it.

 

[appleeye]

Also, a question in regards to this case. Is it normal for Websleuths to shut down a thread until there is more information. This is the first I have seen of it.

 

[Bently]

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[Deleted member 278]

Could someone please post a side by side of the suspect sketch and Brandon Whitacre? Please remove the other suspect's picture. All I can find is one picture with both suspects.

Thanks

We also need BW's height and weight.

 

[Bently]

Huge thanks, Bently, I appreciate your effort here. I've done transcriptions before, and eagerly awaited yours on this. Transcriptions are very helpful.

Thanks again!

WG

No problem! I know how it is for folks working, or on phones that cannot do video links (lol, those pesky twitter screenshots that many cannot see on their phones) , or just do not have time in real life.... to view it that wanted. I had time today to do it! Just passing it forward!

(Note: giving a bow to Skibaboo who always makes time to do case maps :blowkiss: )

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[skibaboo]

Could someone please post a side by side of the suspect sketch and Brandon Whitacre? Please remove the other suspect's picture. All I can find is one picture with both suspects.

Thanks

Image Link

 

[neesaki]

Doesn't rule him out, IMO. People saw him two days in a row (2/10 and 2/11). If he was determined to carry out his flashing, he could very well have traveled elsewhere since he would know LE would be on the lookout for him in the previous area.

Thanks for posting that information, rocket. I think BW strongly resembles BG, maybe even more so to me than the sketch does. Well, the sketch of the perp has a fuller face than what I see in the BG photo. Though I guess everyone sees things differently, and he is looking down so it's a little hard to tell . So, not saying the sketch isn't good, it's very good. JMO
Also, his flashing was only a couple of days before Abby and Libby's death. We know LE must have investigated him though as he was arrested on the 16th after Abby and Libby had been found. :thinking:

 

[Deleted member 278]

 

[skibaboo]

No problem! I know how it is for folks working, or on phones that cannot do video links (lol, those pesky twitter screenshots that many cannot see on their phones) , or just do not have time in real life.... to view it that wanted. I had time today to do it! Just passing it forward!

(Note: giving a bow to Skibaboo who always makes time to do case maps :blowkiss: )

:seeya:

Thank you :loveyou:

 

[Wondergirl]

Since multiple facets of the investigation came together to produce this sketch (as per presser), and given that the statement "he definitely does not have blue eyes" is pretty profound, I feel the DNA must have been sampled from the crime scene, and there is forensic evidence to back up the claim that the perp did NOT have blue eyes (as opposed to a statement from a witness, and let's not forget that there are coloured eye lenses these days etc.).

From the FSI Genetics site:

We previously developed and forensically validated the IrisPlex system for accurate prediction of blue and brown eye colour from DNA, and recently showed that all major hair colour categories are predictable from carefully selected DNA markers. Here, we introduce the newly developed HIrisPlex system, which is capable of simultaneously predicting both hair and eye colour from DNA

http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(12)00181-0/fulltext#sec0065

 

[Brighty]

You must be local to me Brighty...I live in that town and they caught him and his girlfriend the next day. And I agree, that photo they released wasn't good enough to see his face.

I don't live there...but I shop there. Were you amazed their photo wasn't better, especially from a bank? It really made me rethink about pictures floating around from cameras here and there. They are not all so great it seems.