IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #69

[margarita25]

O/T a bit, but wasn't the S/K Todd Kohlhepp from Spartanburg County SC as well?

See, interesting you mentioned him, this is the kind of stuff I'm expecting to see, in addition to what we know so far...remember his amazon postings, for example? Conversely you have guys like A Castro with puppies and I love God on their SM (which DN does have such altruistic/spiritual postings on his SM).

I'm talking kill kits, that kind of stuff, compartments in his vehicle, photos, *advertiser censored*, etc etc etc..., maybe more will come out in the days to come.

As violent as what we know so far is, I've seen so much worse with these guys, and I expect a history of sick sick sick stuff. I have imagined this guy to be one of the worst SK imaginable...yes, I know Ted Bundy was charming, etc, etc....

 

[sunsetbeach]

o.m.g.!!!

Another thing I noticed was the collar edge has that Sherpa type lining. I see something similar on the picture taken from her phone.

Just speculation on my part, these are not facts.

If I was LE I would want that jacket seen in that photo for comparison.

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[margarita25]

Maybe he exposed himself to the girls and they laughed or called him weirdo or gross! He could have gotten angry and punished them. His former boss said he had a bad temper and the hatchet came out when he got angry at her and her family.

Maybe it's just as simple as that. Not some skilled experienced predator with a long list of murder victims...if so, surprising, moo.

 

[Camerabug]

Is it for sure DNA was found on the girls?

I personally believe it has to be in order to clear those SO so quickly. I seem to remember them taking swabs of the SO and executing SW...70 right off the bat iirc

70 SW executed:

According to Fox 59, investigators in Indiana have served approximately 70 search warrants and subpoenas and checked on the probation status of dozens of sex offenders, many of whom were cleared as suspects in the murders based on interviews, alibis or polygraph examinations.

http://kfor.com/2017/03/13/police-continue-investigation-of-several-people-of-interest-a-month-into-murder-investigation-of-indiana-teens/

DNA from Crime Scene Fast tracked

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...n/news-story/29f37e4becf9bc04350dd22644f9e9cb

 

[margarita25]

Some Sleuthers have thought there maybe a connection to drugs in this case. Is it possible with all the drug charges he's been arrested for, could have maybe been there for a drug deal? Could be a viable theory at this point.

One of my initial thoughts/posts was "tweaker".

 

[tokyorose]

"A former employer told Fox 59 that Nations often carried around a machete, and once threatened her and her family with it when he was living with her and working on their farm in 2015."

Working on their farm?!?!
RL could be connected somehow. Maybe hired him for help on his property as many have speculated.

All my own opinion




Today is the day

Watched her do an interview, she seems really rattled. I think she believes he killed the girls ( even if it turns out he didn't) DN chased her uncle with that hatchet too..

 

[minazoe]

clocking in.

 

[Inthedetails]

A poster upthread mentioned DN had a sex crime charge that involved a minor. I'm not finding any reference to that as I review articles I've read today. I'm seeing crimes with adult women victims. If anyone can provide a link about a sex crime against a minor, please do so as my mind is now fried.

I am seeing that he was charged with domestic violence committed in front of a minor, but not a sex crime with a minor.

TIA!

 

[BigCityAccountant]

See, interesting you mentioned him, this is the kind of stuff I'm expecting to see, in addition to what we know so far...remember his amazon postings, for example? Conversely you have guys like A Castro with puppies and I love God on their SM (which DN does have such altruistic/spiritual postings on his SM).

I'm talking kill kits, that kind of stuff, compartments in his vehicle, photos, *advertiser censored*, etc etc etc..., maybe more will come out in the days to come.

As violent as what we know so far is, I've seen so much worse with these guys, and I expect a history of sick sick sick stuff. I have imagined this guy to be the worse SK imaginable...yes, I know Ted Bundy, etc....

Didn't think of it that way, but now that you mention it~~something is off. I see what your saying now. Guess we will have to wait to see what baggage comes out of the closet.

 

[margarita25]

Ijust want to say I'm glad we can respectfully have discussions here and bounce off each others' posts.

 

[margarita25]

Didn't think of it that way, but now that you mention it~~something is off. I see what your saying now. Guess we will have to wait to see what baggage comes out of the closet.

Don't listen to me, lol... :biggrin: I think my brain is fried.

 

[midwestseeker]

Ever since I heard about this possible break in the case today, my head just keeps playing this over and over in my head. Yes, Indiana wants you and I hope this arrest is the one we have all been praying for. I hope tomorrow is the day for justice for these little girls.

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]Indiana Wants Me
R. Dean Taylor




[/COLOR]
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
I wish I had you to talk to
If a man ever needed dyin', he did
No one had the right to say what he said about you
And it's so cold and lonely here without you
Out there the law's a comin'
I'm gettin' so tired of runnin'
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
I wish I had you to talk to
It hurts to see the man that I've become
And to know I'll never see the morning sunshine on the land
I'll never see your smiling face or touch your hand
If just once more I could see you, our home and our little baby
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there

I wish I had you to talk to
I hope this letter finds its way to you
Forgive me, love, for the shame I put you through and all the tears
Hang on, love, to the memories of those happy years
Red lights are flashin' around me
Yeah, love it looks like they found me
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
I wish I had you to talk to
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can't go back there

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.541176)]Songwriters: R. Dean Taylor




[/COLOR]

 

[Inthedetails]

Ijust want to say I'm glad we can respectfully have discussions here and bounce off each others' posts.

That is what makes WS the best. Seriously.

(It would be better if everyone agreed with me, but I'll settle for respectful discussions.)

jmo

 

[margarita25]

Again, it just seems like Jaws to me, when they catch that first shark and everyone thinks itshe Jaws himself but when they cut it open yeah there are all kinds of things inside, license plates, etc but no human remains, and the real big shark is still out here, and bigger than anyone could've imagined.

I'm probably just giving this guy too much credit. We always said in prior threads that maybe we are doing just that.

 

[kc1023]

It's usually rapes, molestation, killing animals, that sort of thing...though maybe he just didn't get caught or connected to other crimes.

Wellllll... this totally reminded me of some mysterious cat beheadings we had pretty darn close to his Greenwood hotel addy. It's gruesome, scroll by if you can't bear to know, really

http://wishtv.com/2016/09/16/impd-n...nd-cat-mutilated-in-franklin-twp-subdivision/

http://wishtv.com/2016/09/14/another-case-reported-of-animal-found-severed-in-half-on-south-side/ (warning: blurred images of the severed cat in this video)(*the unedited pics were posted on FB at the time and this cat was like sliced - or maybe axed?? - cleanly in half, it was super disturbing)

For reference, Franklin Township is in SE Indianapolis (Marion Co) and Greenwood is right next to it (Johnson County). You could get from the cat beheading neighborhood to his hotel in prob 5 mins or less in a car. It's like one main road over only.

Most likely just a coincidence, not sure if he was here in Sept '16. Speculation at the time was that someone had a sick teenager living in the neighborhood. Nothing more was ever reported that I'm aware of.

 

[labam99]

I just feel so convinced that Daniel Nations is BG. He has to be. This has to be the end to this nightmare. Everything matches up so perfectly. I would be so disappointed if he wasn't BG, because if he is not, I feel like they will never find the killer. It has to be him

 

[margarita25]

That is what makes WS the best. Seriously.

(It would be better if everyone agreed with me, but I'll settle for respectful discussions.)

jmo

Man, the girls' families must be on pins and needles right now...can you imagine!!!!??

Sending love out to them tonight (and always).

Turning my orange lamp on.

 

[margarita25]

I just feel so convinced that Daniel Nations is BG. He has to be. This has to be the end to this nightmare. Everything matches up so perfectly. I would be so disappointed if he wasn't BG, because if he is not, I feel like they will never find the killer. It has to be him

I know....
:therethere:

You guys don't listen to me (you guys are like, "We're not", haha). No actually, you've been quite gentle on me so far.

There is hope.

 

[GA_Peach]

If this is the killer, I have to wonder whether he didn't plan to kill them. If he was exposing himself, and they laughed at him, did he fly into one of those rages that others have mentioned? Pure speculation at this point, I know.

Maybe he exposed himself to the girls and they laughed or called him weirdo or gross! He could have gotten angry and punished them. His former boss said he had a bad temper and the hatchet came out when he got angry at her and her family.

When I was in high school, I was walking through a parking lot at a local mall. I made eye contact with an adult male who was sitting in his car. Upon seeing me, he whipped out his stick and started masturbating. I can assure you that laughing was the farthest emotion/reaction from my mind. I felt scared and immediately threatened. I briskly walked into the mall and asked for security to escort me to my car on the way out. I never reported the incident because I was too embarrassed. I wish I knew then what I know now. My point in sharing this story is that it is extremely unlikely that two young teenagers would be humored by an adult male exposing himself. When it happens in real life, it is not funny. AW and LG felt something was off, and that is why Liberty started recording.

I am extremely curious what else was captured on Liberty's phone. I have not watched the first press conference in many months, but I remember one of the officers saying something to the effect of we need to catch BG before, not if, he strikes again. Maybe I will relisten to find the exact quote, but I distinctly remember thinking that LE had good reason to believe that this was not an isolated incident.

ETA - Does anyone have a link to the first press conference? I am curious exactly what LE said.

 

[RiceCasparr]

Didn't think of it that way, but now that you mention it~~something is off. I see what your saying now. Guess we will have to wait to see what baggage comes out of the closet.

While I see what you're saying, there's a part of me that is off put by the rush to label or identify the Delphi killer as a serial killer. A gruesome crime is a gruesome crime, but that doesn't mean the criminal had to have committed previous ones. Same with the instinct to try to link DN now to any other disappearances or deaths on trails. As humans we try to find correlation and categorize to make sense...but murder fundamentally in our society simply does not make sense. So I feel that the fact some don't get a serial killer vibe from DN honestly holds little weight...to have been BG it doesn't require him to have killed anyone else previously. And for those who become prolific killers...they have to start somewhere.

TLDR: I don't get a serial killer vibe from DN but I also didn't from BG's image. And I think that's okay and doesn't discount the possibility of being linked.

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