IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 - #3

[bluesneakers]

When and where was the suv reported stolen. And how much do I have to pay to find out. Just asking.

They have no problem mentioning every home that was burglarized in the area since 1862.

But they are still mum about the stolen suv used in the home robbery right before Amanda was killed.

Do we need to start a fundme to raise enough money to pay the police in order for them to clarify the situation of the stolen suv.

I'm truly thinking it wasn't stolen but only reported stolen once the owner seen that they were taped. Jmo

Let me return some bottles and cans and I'll help you out.

 

[LINEViBE]

When and where was the suv reported stolen. And how much do I have to pay to find out. Just asking.

They have no problem mentioning every home that was burglarized in the area since 1862.

But they are still mum about the stolen suv used in the home robbery right before Amanda was killed.

Do we need to start a fundme to raise enough money to pay the police in order for them to clarify the situation of the stolen suv.

I'm truly thinking it wasn't stolen but only reported stolen once the owner seen that they were taped. Jmo

Couldn't agree more. The surveillance supposedly shows a "dark-colored SUV", which would make sense because the husband drives a "dark-colored SUV". In fact, if I have the timeline correct, the "dark-colored SUV" was seen on surveillance at around 6:00 AM, which is around the same time the husband left the home to go workout (presumably driving his dark-colored SUV, although not confirmed). I can't help but wonder if the husband's dark-colored SUV happened to pass the (allegedly stolen) dark-colored SUV on the way to his early-morning, 2+ hour workout at LA Fitness. :thinking: Nah, doubt it.

 

[Lilibet]

I found this information while researching how to make our home more burglar-proof, thanks to this scary thread. This paragraph answers some of the questions I've seen here about how burglars operate. There is more helpful information at the link. I've bolded the parts that seem relevant to this case.

How it's done. The most common home burglary modus operandi in my area goes like this: once a house has been targeted, the burglar will park his car around the block and walk over. He'll go right up and ring the front doorbell. If someone comes to the door, he'll pretend to be selling something door to door or have a story that he's looking for a different house. If there's no answer, he'll typically head around to the back of the house, seeking a way in without attracting too much attention. He'll first try to force the back door. Most burglars don't bother picking locks. They know they'll be able to quickly gain entry by cruder methods. If he can't get in through the back door, he'll try a window or possibly the garage door. While burglars would prefer to work in darkness, they do not want to confront anyone, and generally choose to operate during the day when the house is more likely to be unoccupied. They don't much care if your alarm goes off. They know that most neighbors won't pay attention and the police won't arrive for quite a while. The burglar is usually in and out within eight minutes or less. He'll go straight for the master bedroom, looking for jewelry, money, and drugs. If he finds a gun or laptop computer or something else that's relatively small and of high value, he'll grab that. He may take a quick sweep through other areas of the house, especially the living room, dining room, and den. He will never go down in the basement, up in the attic, or into any confined area for fear of being trapped there should the homeowner or police arrive. That's why he also prefers single story homes (two story homes often have the master bedroom on the second floor).

http://www.urbachletter.com/Archive/Safety_1003_BurglaryPrevention.htm

 

[Ontario Mom]

Captain Converse's nervous behavior during the presser is concerning. We're talking about a 35 year vet, 12 years in Homicide, who was shaking like a leaf. His behavior was certainly unexpected, IMO. Watch it for yourself here and let me know why you think he was so nervous. Also, can someone tell me what was being said when the audio was conveniently jumbled at the exact time Captain Converse was releasing the "time we put the suspect at the crime scene"? --- very bizarre, IMO.

I cannot decipher what he said during the jumbled portion but it struck me that he seems far more collected when he's talking about neighbors, cameras, etc. When he specifically speaks about Amanda though he's much more noticeably shaken. I suspect the violence done to her and the state in which she was found was more extreme than we can imagine. When the 2nd man takes over (I didn't get his name) he says of Converse that he really takes this to heart, and "this one really gets you". Near the end the same LE states "this was a heinous crime" and "this individual does not belong to be walking in a free society".

I will speculate, that 2 of the gun shot wounds we've read about were actually 1 shot. I believe (from all I've read) she likely put her hand to her belly as a natural mama-bear reaction and a single bullet went through her hand, and into her torso. Possibly an intentional shot aimed at the baby (especially if she pleaded and said "please don't, I'm pregnant" which would be a perfectly reasonable thing to expect she might have said).

I suspect if the ME's report is ever released, it will explain why Converse was so rattled. Every day violence is one thing, but seeing an expecting mama gunned down in her own home is an entirely different thing.

moo.

 

[LINEViBE]

Makes complete sense he'd be more nervous at a press conference in front of so many people and cameras, especially addressing such a high profile case. In the clip he could get more takes, there was only one person and one camera, and he was in his own environment. Of all the stuff there is to read into the press conference the dog picture is the only thing I find weird. But maybe he wanted to start off on a positive note before getting to the tough stuff?

The glitch you're talking about - is it only on this network's video or is it on others as well?

Only two networks provided footage of the presser (WTHR and RTV). RTV didn't share the full presser like WTHR did. The RTV version edited out the part in question.

I agree that it is expected that Converse would be more nervous in the presser than he would be in the interview. However, he was beyond 'just' nervous in the presser. This 35 year vet had to "throw in" the proverbial "towel" halfway through his performance. 12 years in homicide and 35 years on the force and still pooping his pants? Not sure I am buying it.

I do want to clarify one thing. While I think Captain Converse and the IMPD Major could be lying in the presser, I am not convinced that they aren't lying for a GOOD reason. And again, :moo:!

 

[PeskySlueth]

I found this information while researching how to make our home more burglar-proof, thanks to this scary thread. This paragraph answers some of the questions I've seen here about how burglars operate. There is more helpful information at the link. I've bolded the parts that seem relevant to this case.

How it's done. The most common home burglary modus operandi in my area goes like this: once a house has been targeted, the burglar will park his car around the block and walk over. He'll go right up and ring the front doorbell. If someone comes to the door, he'll pretend to be selling something door to door or have a story that he's looking for a different house. If there's no answer, he'll typically head around to the back of the house, seeking a way in without attracting too much attention. He'll first try to force the back door. Most burglars don't bother picking locks. They know they'll be able to quickly gain entry by cruder methods. If he can't get in through the back door, he'll try a window or possibly the garage door. While burglars would prefer to work in darkness, they do not want to confront anyone, and generally choose to operate during the day when the house is more likely to be unoccupied. They don't much care if your alarm goes off. They know that most neighbors won't pay attention and the police won't arrive for quite a while. The burglar is usually in and out within eight minutes or less. He'll go straight for the master bedroom, looking for jewelry, money, and drugs. If he finds a gun or laptop computer or something else that's relatively small and of high value, he'll grab that. He may take a quick sweep through other areas of the house, especially the living room, dining room, and den. He will never go down in the basement, up in the attic, or into any confined area for fear of being trapped there should the homeowner or police arrive. That's why he also prefers single story homes (two story homes often have the master bedroom on the second floor).

http://www.urbachletter.com/Archive/Safety_1003_BurglaryPrevention.htm

that's exactly what the police told us. they also said when they knock or ring the doorbell, don't ever sit quietly inside and wait for them to go away. then they'll think no one is home and go around the back and kick in the back door. best to tap on a window to get their attention while holding a phone to your ear and gesture you're not interested.

 

[LaborDayRN]

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just thought I'd bring this forward..............

Never mind.....the post went poof!

 

[TTF14]

that's exactly what the police told us. they also said when they knock or ring the doorbell, don't ever sit quietly inside and wait for them to go away. then they'll think no one is home and go around the back and kick in the back door. best to tap on a window to get their attention while holding a phone to your ear and gesture you're not interested.

Last time I saw a stranger ringing doorbells, I told both of my kids to be quiet when ours rang and the dog didn't even bark. Doh!

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[bessie]

It was at 5:30am.



And, we aren't sure yet if this is the same set of people or from the same "ring" of people, but if so, this gives us some clues as to how they work...



And also...



They were brazen enough to steal a cell from a room she was sleeping in!

The report was logged at 5:23 A.M. I posted a screenshot from the crime map in the previous thread.

 

[Ontario Mom]

This 35 year vet had to "throw in" the proverbial "towel" halfway through his performance. 12 years in homicide and 35 years on the force and still pooping his pants? Not sure I am buying it.

I don't think the average private citizen understands the effects of what LE sees day in and day out. Whether it's actual crime scenes or crime scene photos, they see it every single day. They do try and compartmentalize it but it does get to them. I have a friend who was a seasoned homicide detective in Fresno CA for many many years before he went into undercover work (online) catching pedophiles luring kids to offline meetings. He'd seen A LOT, working homicide, but he was NOT prepared for what he would see working that kind of field. Nor were the people working with him, prepared. Most of them had to be rotated out after a very short time, according to department psych evals because seeing that kind of thing is TOO MUCH for most normal human beings. I know another LE who was the first on the scene of a mother and two children stabbed to death in their own home. Drug deal gone bad and mama and babies paid for it. The suspect was actually hiding in the attic of the very same home, AT the time the officers entered. The effect that scene had one the officer I know, was so intense he HAD to call for back up and step outside with his partner, and pretend like they didn't know the suspect was still inside. He was prepared to enter the attic and blow the into the next life.

We read about these things in the news, sometimes we see crime scene pics, sometimes we see ME reports but the men and women in blue who are the actual boots on the ground that actually SEE this stuff day in and day out, these are the real heros in our society. So, when one of them goes a little sketchy at a presser, it's a good bet there's a legit reason why.

moo & all the usual disclaimers

 

[LINEViBE]

I cannot decipher what he said during the jumbled portion but it struck me that he seems far more collected when he's talking about neighbors, cameras, etc. When he specifically speaks about Amanda though he's much more noticeably shaken. I suspect the violence done to her and the state in which she was found was more extreme than we can imagine. When the 2nd man takes over (I didn't get his name) he says of Converse that he really takes this to heart, and "this one really gets you". Near the end the same LE states "this was a heinous crime" and "this individual does not belong to be walking in a free society".

I will speculate, that 2 of the gun shot wounds we've read about were actually 1 shot. I believe (from all I've read) she likely put her hand to her belly as a natural mama-bear reaction and a single bullet went through her hand, and into her torso. Possibly an intentional shot aimed at the baby (especially if she pleaded and said "please don't, I'm pregnant" which would be a perfectly reasonable thing to expect she might have said).

I suspect if the ME's report is ever released, it will explain why Converse was so rattled. Every day violence is one thing, but seeing an expecting mama gunned down in her own home is an entirely different thing.

moo.

I keep going back to Converse being on the force for 35 years, with the last 12 of those years being on the Homicide team. This man has seen more graphic violence in those 35/12 years than I can ever imagine. Many homicide detectives will admit to becoming "numb" to hardcore violence after seeing so much of it. Of course, not all people operate the same way.

Regarding the number of shots fired; do we have confirmation that it was 2 or 3, yet? Amanda was shot in the hand, torso, and head, correct? Do we know if it was her left or right hand that suffered a bullet wound? One could reasonably assume that the shooter was targeting the unborn child with the shot to the torso, IMO. I think I know what the shooter was targeting with the shot to the head. But, if there was another shot fired at the hand, then I'd like to know which hand suffered the wound.

 

[bessie]

I don't think the average private citizen understands the effects of what LE sees day in and day out. Whether it's actual crime scenes or crime scene photos, they see it every single day. They do try and compartmentalize it but it does get to them. I have a friend who was a seasoned homicide detective in Fresno CA for many many years before he went into undercover work (online) catching pedophiles luring kids to offline meetings. He'd seen A LOT, working homicide, but he was NOT prepared for what he would see working that kind of field. Nor were the people working with him, prepared. Most of them had to be rotated out after a very short time, according to department psych evals because seeing that kind of thing is TOO MUCH for most normal human beings. I know another LE who was the first on the scene of a mother and two children stabbed to death in their own home. Drug deal gone bad and mama and babies paid for it. The suspect was actually hiding in the attic of the very same home, AT the time the officers entered. The effect that scene had one the officer I know, was so intense he HAD to call for back up and step outside with his partner, and pretend like they didn't know the suspect was still inside. He was prepared to enter the attic and blow the into the next life.

We read about these things in the news, sometimes we see crime scene pics, sometimes we see ME reports but the men and women in blue who are the actual boots on the ground that actually SEE this stuff day in and day out, these are the real heros in our society. So, when one of them goes a little sketchy at a presser, it's a good bet there's a legit reason why.

moo & all the usual disclaimers

Thank you! And let's not forget exhaustion and frustration, which were clearly apparent to me.

 

[LINEViBE]

I don't think the average private citizen understands the effects of what LE sees day in and day out. Whether it's actual crime scenes or crime scene photos, they see it every single day. They do try and compartmentalize it but it does get to them. I have a friend who was a seasoned homicide detective in Fresno CA for many many years before he went into undercover work (online) catching pedophiles luring kids to offline meetings. He'd seen A LOT, working homicide, but he was NOT prepared for what he would see working that kind of field. Nor were the people working with him, prepared. Most of them had to be rotated out after a very short time, according to department psych evals because seeing that kind of thing is TOO MUCH for most normal human beings. I know another LE who was the first on the scene of a mother and two children stabbed to death in their own home. Drug deal gone bad and mama and babies paid for it. The suspect was actually hiding in the attic of the very same home, AT the time the officers entered. The effect that scene had one the officer I know, was so intense he HAD to call for back up and step outside with his partner, and pretend like they didn't know the suspect was still inside. He was prepared to enter the attic and blow the into the next life.

We read about these things in the news, sometimes we see crime scene pics, sometimes we see ME reports but the men and women in blue who are the actual boots on the ground that actually SEE this stuff day in and day out, these are the real heros in our society. So, when one of them goes a little sketchy at a presser, it's a good bet there's a legit reason why.

moo & all the usual disclaimers

Thank you for sharing. With all due respect to your friends and their experiences in LE, I can honestly say that I've talked to several homicide detectives who have become numb to the graphic violence they see day in and day out. There are going to be stories supporting both sides of this theory. I want to know what Converse said when the audio was scrambled. Something isn't adding up and it starts with the timeline. The current timeline has holes and gaps....too many, in fact.

 

[MaxManning]

I found this information while researching how to make our home more burglar-proof, thanks to this scary thread. This paragraph answers some of the questions I've seen here about how burglars operate. There is more helpful information at the link. I've bolded the parts that seem relevant to this case.

How it's done. The most common home burglary modus operandi in my area goes like this: once a house has been targeted, the burglar will park his car around the block and walk over. He'll go right up and ring the front doorbell. If someone comes to the door, he'll pretend to be selling something door to door or have a story that he's looking for a different house. If there's no answer, he'll typically head around to the back of the house, seeking a way in without attracting too much attention. He'll first try to force the back door. Most burglars don't bother picking locks. They know they'll be able to quickly gain entry by cruder methods. If he can't get in through the back door, he'll try a window or possibly the garage door. While burglars would prefer to work in darkness, they do not want to confront anyone, and generally choose to operate during the day when the house is more likely to be unoccupied. They don't much care if your alarm goes off. They know that most neighbors won't pay attention and the police won't arrive for quite a while. The burglar is usually in and out within eight minutes or less. He'll go straight for the master bedroom, looking for jewelry, money, and drugs. If he finds a gun or laptop computer or something else that's relatively small and of high value, he'll grab that. He may take a quick sweep through other areas of the house, especially the living room, dining room, and den. He will never go down in the basement, up in the attic, or into any confined area for fear of being trapped there should the homeowner or police arrive. That's why he also prefers single story homes (two story homes often have the master bedroom on the second floor).

http://www.urbachletter.com/Archive/Safety_1003_BurglaryPrevention.htm

Just yesterday I had someone come to the door wearing regular street clothes and a mesh trucker style hat with some kind of construction/renovation company name on the hat. He seemed to be asking if our house need any kinds of repairs, roof , siding etc. Our dogs were at front window going nuts and I told him now was not a good time, but if he had a card i'd take that. He had no card, he had no clipboard to write anything down (which when others doing this have come by for this kind of thing, have had), and he was walking on foot through the neighborhood.

He ended up just pointing to the name of the company on the hat, which was like four big words, one construction I think, haha. Then he just left and headed down the road.

Also should note that at the time, no car was in the driveway, but in the garage. middle of the day, early afternoon i think.

well, thanks for making me even more suspicious of anyone coming door to door.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

The report was logged at 5:23 A.M. I posted a screenshot from the crime map in the previous thread.

Wait! Does that mean that's when LE was called in?? That would mean they were there at any point during the middle of the night, correct?? So the same perps could have hit THREE homes that same day? I was under the impression there were two burglaries that morning at 5:30. Which would mean either totally different people burglarized the homes or a ring was working at the same time on opposite sides of town.

 

[tick_tock]

What is the reason I wonder for LE not choosing to confirm whether or not Amanda Blackburn was raped/sexually assaulted?

In what way could keeping that to their chest possibly help their investigation?

They've already mentioned that the robberies are connected.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I keep going back to Converse being on the force for 35 years, with the last 12 of those years being on the Homicide team. This man has seen more graphic violence in those 35/12 years than I can ever imagine. Many homicide detectives will admit to becoming "numb" to hardcore violence after seeing so much of it. Of course, not all people operate the same way.

Regarding the number of shots fired; do we have confirmation that it was 2 or 3, yet? Amanda was shot in the hand, torso, and head, correct? Do we know if it was her left or right hand that suffered a bullet wound? One could reasonably assume that the shooter was targeting the unborn child with the shot to the torso, IMO. I think I know what the shooter was targeting with the shot to the head. But, if there was another shot fired at the hand, then I'd like to know which hand suffered the wound.

You don't actually go "numb". That's the point. Your brain sets it over "here" for a while. After a while, your brain can't handle it anymore, or you deal with the case that finally sends you off to the department psych (and God help them, there is NO shame in that.) The only kind of human being that can remain numb to the brutality of what one human can do to another, is NOT someone you want working on a local police force. No, those people are in the category of Otis Toole or Ed Gein. I only say this because of what my friends in LE have told me - so this comes from them, not me. But after hearing them talk about what it's like, I have no reason to disbelieve them.

As for the number of shots fired v. the number of wounds, or left hand/right hand no, I don't know if it's been confirmed one way or the other in MSM or through LE. There's a ton of conflicting reports so it's hard to really follow with any assurance what we're reading is accurate.

 

[Boodles]

I keep going back to Converse being on the force for 35 years, with the last 12 of those years being on the Homicide team. This man has seen more graphic violence in those 35/12 years than I can ever imagine. Many homicide detectives will admit to becoming "numb" to hardcore violence after seeing so much of it. Of course, not all people operate the same way.

Regarding the number of shots fired; do we have confirmation that it was 2 or 3, yet? Amanda was shot in the hand, torso, and head, correct? Do we know if it was her left or right hand that suffered a bullet wound? One could reasonably assume that the shooter was targeting the unborn child with the shot to the torso, IMO. I think I know what the shooter was targeting with the shot to the head. But, if there was another shot fired at the hand, then I'd like to know which hand suffered the wound.

Converse's behavior during that presser drove me crazy. Even after he spoke, when a subsequent guy was speaking, Converse was shaking, jerking around and looked like he was going to have a breakdown. I was worried that he was having a heart attack or something. It certainly did not convey confidence, and I keep wondering whether he's got his act together.

I can't think of a reason why he would be so freaked out. But showing the dog photo....awkward! Perhaps there was an underlying reason for showing it. Idk, it's all very strange, everything about this case is strange.

 

[MaxManning]

I hear what everyone is saying about captain converse and how the job must take it's toll etc, but to me it seemed like anxiety or panic attack. I have empathy for people in jobs where you have to see the worst often, but lets be honest that most individuals in that kind of position do not come across this way, and even in far more or equally exhausting/challenging cases. I think it's fair to note the impression he gave was not one that would give anyone confidence in his ability to drive this case. The one guy seemingly had to step in and close the show and likely for that very reason.

It also seems fair to draw a line from that press conference to what appears to be questionable investigation efficiency, clarity etc.

It is what it is though, I look forward to more Captain Converse!

 

[lonetraveler]

boxer mix. i have one too.

I've owned two boxers, one of them was my husband's help dog after his stroke. Oscar was 11 wks old when I brought him home. He was our baby and I can definitely confirm that absolutely no one could harm either my husband or myself or family without dealing with Oscar first. Maggie, my second boxer would die protecting me. I find it very hard to think three complete strangers could break into a home, rape and kill the owner with a boxer guarding it. Highly unusual.