IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

[Linda7NJ]

I know what you mean. Comparing your body or mine to Natalia's there must be differences. Even if you don't look at breast size, her face matures. I would also put some stock in the tests that gave her an age around 8 and 11. I have a problem the Barnetts would let someone dupe them and keep their last name. If they rented an apt for her and something happened there like an accident they could be liable. If they really thought she was a con artist why put themselves at risk?

Mom claims she’s a Christian, loves her daughter, and did what she thought was right.

 

[cherrymeg]

Mrs Barnett said he had a passport with all the stamps. That’s why I said she has a ton of corroboration if all of what she said is true. Multiple hospitals, doctors, social workers, passport, phone bills, therapists communication with all sorts of agencies. She said the Mann’s dealt with a team of professionals and were advised to stay away from Natalia-
My point is why would she claim all of this - and a HUGE file mentioned in the linked article if she’s lying?
Mother claims Ukrainian adopted daughter, 9, was 22 and had dwarfism | Daily Mail Online

Liars double down. That's how they get you to question facts. You think no one in their right mind would keep lying when confronted. Some liars never stop.

 

[Medstudies]

Mrs Barnett said he had a passport with all the stamps. That’s why I said she has a ton of corroboration if all of what she said is true. Multiple hospitals, doctors, social workers, passport, phone bills, therapists communication with all sorts of agencies. She said the Mann’s dealt with a team of professionals and were advised to stay away from Natalia-
My point is why would she claim all of this - and a HUGE file mentioned in the linked article if she’s lying?
Mother claims Ukrainian adopted daughter, 9, was 22 and had dwarfism | Daily Mail Online

RBBM- counterpoint: why would the state investigate and then bring charges, 5 years into the investigation,if she wasn’t lying?

 

[Linda7NJ]

t was also in 2012 that police first began asking questions, although correspondence reviewed by DailyMailTV suggests they were trying to establish whether an immigration fraud took place before the Barnetts had any involvement with Natalia.

Detective Scott Clouse of the Westfield City Police Department told them via email that he had referred the case to the FBI and ICE because he suspected there was 'false age reporting' prior to Natalia leaving Ukraine.

From the previously linked article

 

[Dawn Day]

Hi Linda, hoping I quoted correctly,
I just googled Waterloo to Lafayette. It’s a 7.5 hour drive. IF he drove, he passed through the EXACT port that I use when I go to Canada. The Detroit-Windsor bridge or tunnel. They do not stamp passports at that location.

 

[cherrymeg]

t was also in 2012 that police first began asking questions, although correspondence reviewed by DailyMailTV suggests they were trying to establish whether an immigration fraud took place before the Barnetts had any involvement with Natalia.

Detective Scott Clouse of the Westfield City Police Department told them via email that he had referred the case to the FBI and ICE because he suspected there was 'false age reporting' prior to Natalia leaving Ukraine.

From the previously linked article

Why didn't they report her if they felt she was a con-artist?

 

[cherrymeg]

Hi Linda, hoping I quoted correctly,
I just googled Waterloo to Lafayette. It’s a 7.5 hour drive. IF he drove, he passed through the EXACT port that I use when I go to Canada. The Detroit-Windsor bridge or tunnel. They do not stamp passports at that location.

Why did they leave her behind? If you adopt someone and they need help you don't dump them in an apt and leave the country. There is nothing about this that makes sense. MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Hi Linda, hoping I quoted correctly,
I just googled Waterloo to Lafayette. It’s a 7.5 hour drive. IF he drove, he passed through the EXACT port that I use when I go to Canada. The Detroit-Windsor bridge or tunnel. They do not stamp passports at that location.

Did they in 2013?

 

[Linda7NJ]

RBBM- counterpoint: why would the state investigate and then bring charges, 5 years into the investigation,if she wasn’t lying?

Cops aren’t doctors and sometimes get tunnel vision -

 

[Dawn Day]

Linda-
I can’t say with certainty what they did in 2013. I only used my enhanced Driver’s License license and as a (then) minor my daughter only required her birth certificate.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Liars double down. That's how they get you to question facts. You think no one in their right mind would keep lying when confronted. Some liars never stop.

You’re aware she alone didn’t make the determination she was an adult, right?

Does anyone actually believe she and all the other professionals involved CONSPIRED to change a child’s age to an adults just so the Barnett’s could ditch her in an apartment & move to Canada?

I think it’s absolutely more likely there is ZERO MALICIOUS intent on either side. Both sides of this argument seem to be operating in good faith.

 

[Dawn Day]

Linda-
I think if Kristine really loved Natalia as she claims, she would not be telling her private information to journalists. She is talking about extremely personal details about her vjay and her menstral cycle, for crying out loud. And why? Why not simply state-“A court of law in conjunction with medical doctors determined she was an adult and I tried to still assist her as best I could”? After all, public opinion has no bearing on the court case? Further, NO ONE was even talking about this until she did the Daily Mail interview. Kristine caused her own Streisand Effect. But once she started giving interviews, she opened herself up for people to fact check her claims.

 

[Dawn Day]

Linda-
Just as professionals did not conspire with Dee Dee Blanchard, no one conspired with the Barnetts. But I think she fooled them just as Dee Dee did about Gypsy

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda-
I think if Kristine really loved Natalia as she claims, she would not be telling her private information to journalists. She is talking about extremely personal details about her vjay and her menstral cycle, for crying out loud. And why? Why not simply state-“A court of law in conjunction with medical doctors determined she was an adult and I tried to still assist her as best I could”? After all, public opinion has no bearing on the court case? Further, NO ONE was even talking about this until she did the Daily Mail interview. Kristine caused her own Streisand Effect. But once she started giving interviews, she opened herself up for people to fact check her claims.

If everything Barnett says happened actually occurred the way she claims it did, I don’t blame her a bit for defending herself , for being angry, for acting impulsively. She has other children and in my opinion, it’s very important they see her defending herself and their family.
She’s a far better person than I am. I woulda cut Natalia loose way earlier and never looked back.

 

[gitana1]

Weight gain?

Yeah. That can do it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda-
Just as professionals did not conspire with Dee Dee Blanchard, no one conspired with the Barnetts. But I think she fooled them just as Dee Dee did about Gypsy

DeeDee doctor shopped - Barnett’s sought help at a crisis center when Natalia was homicidal & later a state hospital. They kept her there for 9 weeks & professionals evaluated her.

 

[Medstudies]

Cops aren’t doctors and sometimes get tunnel vision -

The tunnel vision can be applied to everyone, including adoptive parents.

Thing is, it’s five years of investigations, including ICE and FBI. I sincerely doubt they suffer from tunnel vision.

I’m also confident that the state has sought qualified opinions from medical experts. Why on earth would the state bring charges this late in the game unless there was significant evidence to warrant it?

 

[Medstudies]

I am SO going to attend the trial

 

[Linda7NJ]

Video clips I have not seen before of Natalia while she was with the Barnett’s

Pay close attention to the one - she appears much older in it.

With so much talk of weight gain, I’m thinking of Natalia let herself gain some weight she looked much older, perhaps she carefully monitored her food intake as to not gain weight.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The tunnel vision can be applied to everyone, including adoptive parents.

Thing is, it’s five years of investigations, including ICE and FBI. I sincerely doubt they suffer from tunnel vision.

I’m also confident that the state has sought qualified opinions from medical experts. Why on earth would the state bring charges this late in the game unless there was significant evidence to warrant it?

Won’t be the first or last time they get it wrong