In Fairness To Cindy

[LisaNY]

Maybe thats why George is no longer a detective. He was not working but He thought his daughter was. Didnt he see her when she was sitting on the couch? Or pass her car when he was riding around town?Run in to her when she was shopping at targets?Didnt he drive home a car that he told Police he was afraid Caylees body was in the trunk,cause he has smelled that smell before.Yet instead of calling the police he got in that car that was smelling of death and drove it back home. I guess Cindy made him to it.:furious:

Didn't Cindy wash the clothes that were in the trunk? AFTER she called 911 and said the car smelled like there was a dead body in it.

 

[TSPnc]

31 days ...No matter what anyone says about this a FACT is a FACT

31 DAYS .......Come on....

 

[cuppy199]

Was she really trying to protect her father?! Or was she trying to protect Casey already? I believe she didn't want LE snooping around the nursing center to find out about the fight she had with the grandparents (her parents) involving the bank account money Casey had stolen, imo.

What difference did it make if they asked Cindy's parents when the visit took place and they verified it if there was nothing to hide? She should have welcomed it to get to the bottom of when Caylee in fact went missing, but instead she took the attitude of "you do not need to know and if you ask...I won't tell you anything else!".

I have to agree with this one

 

[cuppy199]

Didn't Cindy wash the clothes that were in the trunk? AFTER she called 911 and said the car smelled like there was a dead body in it.

Yep that she did

 

[abbra]

Cindy Anthony has alll the symptoms of Grief.

Potential Symptoms of the Acute Grief Response
Physical Symptoms :

Fatigue, Feelings of Exhaustion
Weakness
Shortness of breath
Tightness in the throat
Palpitations
Nausea
Diarrhea
Constipation
Aches and pains - Abdominal, stomach pain, back pain, headache
Lightheaded, Dizziness
Trouble sleeping
Change in appetite, increased or decreased leading to change in weight
Change in sex drive
Crying, sighing
Restlessness.

Emotional Symptoms :

Emotionally labile
Sadness
Anger, Irritability
Panic, Anxiety
Meaninglessness, Helplessness
Apathy
Numbness, Disbelief, Denial
Longing
Abandonment, Loneliness
Self Blame
Fear
Guilt
Relief


Behavioral/Psychological Symptoms :

Forgetfulness
Difficulty concentrating, Slowed thinking
Wandering aimlessly
Feeling trance-like
Sense of unreality or emptiness
Dreams of the deceased
Searching for the deceased
Sense the loved one's presence
Hallucinations of the deceased, sensing their presence (visual or auditory)
Assuming mannerisms or traits of the loved one
Needing to retell the story of the loved one's death
Avoiding talking about loss so others won't feel uncomfortable.


Social Symptoms:

Overly sensitive
Dependent
Withdrawn
Avoiding others
Lack of initiative or interest
Hyperactive
Underactive
Relationship difficulties
Lowered self esteem.


Spiritual:

Doubting belief system
Questioning spiritual values
Spiritual injury
Loss of faith
Disappointment in religion, clergy and church members
Feeling betrayed by God or Spiritual Force
Angry with God or Deity
Preoccupied with own death
Sensing presence (visual or auditory)


Taken from : http://dying.about.com/od/lossgrief/a/normal_grief_4.htm

Each and every one of us who have been through horrific trauma react differently but experience some of the above symptoms of grief. This is the time where people will try and have taken advantage of Cindy because they see her vulnerability. Cindy hasn't had enough time to ingest that her little Caylee whom she loved with all her heart is not coming home. By Caylee not being buried yet it could be that Cindy wants to try to hold on to the only good she has had in her turmoiled fill life. She may not be ready to say goodbye to her either as the wound of loss is fresh, plus I read where Jose Baez is the one who would be releasing Caylees Remains!!! Baez should have no jurisdiction over Caylees remains. He's not family. If he has power of attorney over Caylees remains, that has got to be another slap in the face by Casey to Cindy where Casey gives garbage to Cindy over and over even from behind bars. Lets face it, judging from the jailhouse tapes the animosity from Casey toward her mother is clearly evident and Cindy is a punching bag. Cindy lost control of Casey a lone time ago and now even though Cindy is trying to defend Caseys actions to others deep down her heart knows the truth- but grief won't let her believe what others are saying about Casey. Caseys actions don't put Cindy in a good light as a mother and all the world is out to judge Cindy Anthony. Concluding If Cindy has done any wrong in trying to block justice I think its going to have to be looked at very closely by experts in the psychiatric field to see if it was intentional or done because of grief.

My own opinion on the Cindy /Casey problem. Tough love and a couple of good smacks to put her in line so she would never had turned out the way she did.. well maybe.

 

[cuppy199]

My own opinion on the Cindy /Casey problem. Tough love and a couple of good smacks to put her in line so she would never had turned out the way she did.. well maybe.

Maybe but it still didnt make KC a killer she did that one all on her own

 

[radio]

Was she really trying to protect her father?! Or was she trying to protect Casey already? I believe she didn't want LE snooping around the nursing center to find out about the fight she had with the grandparents (her parents) involving the bank account money Casey had stolen, imo.

What difference did it make if they asked Cindy's parents when the visit took place and they verified it if there was nothing to hide? She should have welcomed it to get to the bottom of when Caylee in fact went missing, but instead she took the attitude of "you do not need to know and if you ask...I won't tell you anything else!".

SS - I don't know. Who does know. Ratz ... whew!!! Ummm.

Anyway - my mother was in a nursing home and thankfully I didn't have a disaster like this take place - but I did get into it severely with a couple of nurses and then........ they didn't take care of my mother anymore. I don't think they wanted to. LOL!!!!

What are you going to do if they delay this trial? How long can you keep this stuff up - really? The steady drumbeat. :bang:

 

[abbra]

Maybe but it still didnt make KC a killer she did that one all on her own

You got that right Cuppy

 

[suzet]

How about "In Fairness to Caylee"? Where was KC taking her for over two years? Why didn't her "loving" Grandmother have a clule who the babysitter was, what she looked like, how to reach her? So...Here's a scenario. KC is supposed to come home (from "work") at a certain hour and, low and behold, she doesn't show up! She's HOURS late (uh, maybe she gets into an accident or something like that)...Who does the "loving" Grandmother call?

I'm sorry. It's late. And these discussions are starting to pizz me off. How can these people get away with NOT HAVING A CLUE as to where, who their Grand-daugther was with day-in-day-out for TWO YEARS while they left her in the care of a daughter they deemed to be a lying, thieving sociopath?

Is there something wrong with me here?

I think no one knew Casey better than Cindy, or at least to an extent. I believe Cindy knew all along Casey was not working. I don't even think Casey used the working excuse with her parents much at all. She didn't need to. Working was something she told her friends, afterall, they are not living with her and her lack of tax forms.

In the daytime, Casey told her friends she was at work, then she would just hang out at Cindy and George's where she lived. She'd swim in the pool, be on the computer, texting people about how busy she is at work, go shopping, all the while waiting until Cindy comes home from work, so Casey could go out. I'm thinking when Cindy was getting irked at having to spend every single night taking care of Caylee with no time to herself, Casey made up a "night job." Again, no nanny needed. Cindy didn't need to know about any nanny, because she was the one taking care of Caylee. There was no job. Cindy and George knew that, despite what they told LE. The night jobs Casey made up were so sporatic and temporary, by the time Cindy might check them out, Casey may have moved on to some other lie. No job, no nanny, no search for a nanny needed by Cindy. For two years, Caylee was either at home during the daytime with Casey, or with Cindy at night. Who would Cindy need to look for?

Now after June 15 is a puzzle and I think this is why Cindy might feel guilty. Casey was gone and so was Caylee and Cindy may have enjoyed the peace for the first time in two years. Casey was out of her hair and Cindy could come home from work and do what other 50 year olds do after a long day, anything she wanted to do. She called Casey constantly to find out where Caylee was, but maybe part of her was enjoying the vacation, the peace, and I bet that is what she feels so terrible about. That she didn't get to the bottom of this sooner. She wrote the my space page because she was worried. Never in her wildest dreams did she think her daughter was capable of murdering her granddaughter. I think Casey mostly spouted off the nanny stuff for her friends. Didn't Lee say no one in the family ever heard the name Zanny the nanny until July 15? I think Cindy thought Caylee was with Casey every single day after June 15. Afterall, that is what was going on for two years.

I have come to better understand Cindy these last few weeks, but I will never get past the fact that she didn't supply Tim with an item of Caylees and didn't give LE the correct brush. I find that dispicable. There are so many things she has done wrong, wild crazy things too numerous to name, but I am just understanding better the situation she has been living with for years.

I'm not pro Cindy. I'm just not as against her as I once was. I hope to heck she comes clean and tells the truth, but I am not counting on it at all.

Sorry this is so long.

 

[yosande]

Wow CA seems to have a lot of people snowed.

As for the post saying she has all the symptoms of grief that listed such things as:
Diarrhea
Constipation
Withdrawn
etc...some how could you know this and most of the others I have not seen because it seems an act with her acting these ways and others is smiling and acting smug.

I have relatives much like the Anthony's. They gave their children everything but, play games with their children instead of correcting them.
I have a cousin whom has stolen his parents cars,

Sold the furniture in the house while his parents were on vacation and had a party with the money because he was grounded.

Parents have mortgaged their house 3x over because he stole his parents identity and bought things. (One time was when they paid off his girlfriend not to press charges when he beat her)

Bought a new BMW and Motorcycle with no job, charged it to his parents and wrecked the BMW and sold the motorcycle. He hid the car at a neighbor's house.

Tells everyone he is a famous DJ on myspace even though he
is 30 or so and has NEVER worked one day as far as I know

Spent his college tuition money on prostitutes and partying
at Myrtle Beach then left 1000's in damages to the hotel for
his parents to pick up

Physically and verbally assaults his parents

Just much more, it is unbelievable

When a crime he has done to others comes up, he is being falsely accused and being picked on. His parents will even try to convince the rest of the family of this even after they complain that he does the same things to them. They will say, "Oh he's a good kid." "He didn't beat up his girlfriend!" Even though a week earlier they will say he beats them and has anger problems.

What I see from him is that his parents made him this way, and I see this with KC as well. Actually, he will tell you straight up that he hates them because they are so stupid to let him get by with the things he does. He has zero respect because he believes them to be foolish.

Wow, that's quite a story. I believe if someone gave them a chance for a new identity, and take them far away from that man who is their son, they wouldn't think twice. They are victims of this man, and don't know how to escape him, so they make excuses for him.
I think they are afraid of him. They should run away as far and as fast as they can from him and never look back, and they should do it today. jmo

 

[radio]

After June 9th is a puzzle to me. AL says he didn't see Caylee. Was told by you know who Caylee was with nanny. Then Caylee is filmed on 6/15. Where was she? I don't get it. I'm completely in the dark.

 

[Cerenity2u]

31 days IS about Cindy, too...not just Casey. I am on topic.

ITA. Something just occured to me as I was reading your post. CA claimed in her 911 call that KC and Caylee had been missing for a month, she found her daughter, but can't find her granddaughter. If she was so desperate to locate KC and Caylee during those 31 days, would'nt the most likely place to find KC be at Universal? At that time, CA was under the impression that KC worked for Universal...so why didn't she physically go to KC's office during working hours to find and confront her? If she did that early on, she would have found out the truth, KC has not worked there in a couple of years. That would have been enough of a red flag to go to police immediately and at least get them involved in finding Caylee much sooner IMO. How is it that the A family claims they were looking for them both, without so much as a phone call to Universal?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

SS - I don't know. Who does know. Ratz ... whew!!! Ummm.

Anyway - my mother was in a nursing home and thankfully I didn't have a disaster like this take place - but I did get into it severely with a couple of nurses and then........ they didn't take care of my mother anymore. I don't think they wanted to. LOL!!!!

What are you going to do if they delay this trial? How long can you keep this stuff up - really? The steady drumbeat. :bang:

I was here long before Caylee's case began and my "steady drumbeat" has been for the victims since the day I arrived on WS. I don't see that ending anytime soon. I did not get involved in this case to fight for anyone except Caylee which I do every day.

I want justice for Caylee. It is very simple. Those who have done wrong by this innocent child need to be called on it, imo. I refuse to defend people who have not put her first at every turn.

 

[Marple]

ITA. Something just occured to me as I was reading your post. CA claimed in her 911 call that KC and Caylee had been missing for a month, she found her daughter, but can't find her granddaughter. If she was so desperate to locate KC and Caylee during those 31 days, would'nt the most likely place to find KC be at Universal? At that time, CA was under the impression that KC worked for Universal...so why didn't she physically go to KC's office during working hours to find and confront her? If she did that early on, she would have found out the truth, KC has not worked there in a couple of years. That would have been enough of a red flag to go to police immediately and at least get them involved in finding Caylee much sooner IMO. How is it that the A family claims they were looking for them both, without so much as a phone call to Universal?

CA went to Universal on July 3, I believe. It's in one of the doc dumps.

 

[stilettos]

ITA. Something just occured to me as I was reading your post. CA claimed in her 911 call that KC and Caylee had been missing for a month, she found her daughter, but can't find her granddaughter. If she was so desperate to locate KC and Caylee during those 31 days, would'nt the most likely place to find KC be at Universal? At that time, CA was under the impression that KC worked for Universal...so why didn't she physically go to KC's office during working hours to find and confront her? If she did that early on, she would have found out the truth, KC has not worked there in a couple of years. That would have been enough of a red flag to go to police immediately and at least get them involved in finding Caylee much sooner IMO. How is it that the A family claims they were looking for them both, without so much as a phone call to Universal?

I would hope that logic was used in the LE questioning of the Anthonys. That part is not illegal though. Just messed up!

 

[LisaNY]

She called Casey constantly to find out where Caylee was, but maybe part of her was enjoying the vacation, the peace, and I bet that is what she feels so terrible about. That she didn't get to the bottom of this sooner. She wrote the my space page because she was worried. Never in her wildest dreams did she think her daughter was capable of murdering her granddaughter. I think Casey mostly spouted off the nanny stuff for her friends. Didn't Lee say no one in the family ever heard the name Zanny the nanny until July 15? I think Cindy thought Caylee was with Casey every single day after June 15. Afterall, that is what was going on for two years.

I have come to better understand Cindy these last few weeks, but I will never get past the fact that she didn't supply Tim with an item of Caylees and didn't give LE the correct brush. I find that dispicable. There are so many things she has done wrong, wild crazy things too numerous to name, but I am just understanding better the situation she has been living with for years.

I'm not pro Cindy. I'm just not as against her as I once was. I hope to heck she comes clean and tells the truth, but I am not counting on it at all.

Sorry this is so long.

respectfully snipped

I do understand where you are coming from, and that KC was very adept at convincing others of her lies. She had CA convinced that the baby was with Nanny Zany during those 31 days away from home, and that she herself was with the imaginary "Jeff" When you read over CA's own testimony about the Zany accident, a reasonable person would have to say to themselves, my daughter is full of $h!t!!! something is wrong here ... and that was before she put up the 7/3 my caylee is missing myspace. MOO

 

[Pink Panther]

ITA. Something just occured to me as I was reading your post. CA claimed in her 911 call that KC and Caylee had been missing for a month, she found her daughter, but can't find her granddaughter. If she was so desperate to locate KC and Caylee during those 31 days, would'nt the most likely place to find KC be at Universal? At that time, CA was under the impression that KC worked for Universal...so why didn't she physically go to KC's office during working hours to find and confront her? If she did that early on, she would have found out the truth, KC has not worked there in a couple of years. That would have been enough of a red flag to go to police immediately and at least get them involved in finding Caylee much sooner IMO. How is it that the A family claims they were looking for them both, without so much as a phone call to Universal?

According to her own testimony in interviews with LE, she DID go to Universal on July 3rd to meet up with/pick up Caylee but she wasn't there and KC subsequently phoned her to "explain" why...But this woman STILL doesn't get it! She never called anywhere. She never checked anything. She didn't know, never met the "babysitter/nanny" and she didn't even have her freakin' phone number. THIS is the doting/loving Grandmother? I'm sorry but over 6 months later...This isn't quite sitting "right" with me!

MOO

 

[radio]

I was here long before Caylee's case began and my "steady drumbeat" has been for the victims since the day I arrived on WS. I don't see that ending anytime soon. I did not get involved in this case to fight for anyone except Caylee which I do every day.

I want justice for Caylee. It is very simple. Those who have done wrong by this innocent child need to be called on it, imo. I refuse to defend people who have not put her first at every turn.

Well no one is going to disagree with that my friend!!! :thumb:

 

[leophoenix]

As much as it kills me to say this :crazy: Because I am no way a fan of A's:crazy:But no one made KC a killer she did that all on her own.So with that said is it the parents fault there children kill or become serial killers

No but, they as far as has been discovered never made her accept the consequences for anything and it led to this path. My own cousin's path was started from his parents. They steered him to a path of being irresponsible and backed him up on it even into doing illegal things. He fears no consequences because he feels his parents will bail him out forever.

How we deal with things is scientifically proven to be at least partially upon nurture, that is how many of our feelings develop. If a bee stings you, you know what it like to be stung and you have sympathy on someone else that suffered the same. At some point yes, it is her responsibility to stand up and do what is right (not being a killer) but, it is much easier in life in most respects to have someone bail you out of trouble until the trouble becomes overwhelming.

What I see from KC is a woman that has the emotional reactions and actions, fantasies of a 10 year old girl. She never learned to be an adult because she was never pushed into that role. She has lived a life that has been separated from the consequences of her actions

 

[TSPnc]

I would LOVE to start a thread in FAIRNESS to CAYLEE but....I truly believe that ALL posters to WS'ers are posting this way.......I personally think that if MY grandaughter and daughter LIVED in my home ....I WOULD KNOW ....who, what, when and where my granddaughter was being watched....Cindy KNEW but, it was EASIER to IGNORE it...SOrry to be so adament in this but SHE knew......she just didn't face it and that is why we are where we are at now......POOR CAYLEE

31 DAYS of not seeing CAYLEE after seeing her everday since she lived with her and George