IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #7

[Blondie in Spokane]

Maybe once they found out the facts, the decided to sue RCCL b/c that's where the big money is, and told SA he has to go along with this as penance for killing SA. That I could believe more readily than he didn't know the window was open!

RSBM.....now that is a definite possibility. IMO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I agree that some people immediately create go fund me whenever they feel the need to. One gal explained it as "our friends are asking how they can help, so we started a go fund me". Another one that irritated me was a community dinner (contributions) for a guy that was going through serious medical problems. I was about to go because he was in my small community, when I saw his FB page saying he's just bought a new pickup right after he was diagnosed, and he wanted to make sure he kept up his truck payments!

Right AFTER?

 

[Midwestmom2019]

We know about the hockey trip, the memorial bench, SA's legal fees and family's burial expenses.

There's more than these 4?

Some troll imitating Chloe request. Nothing else. Wiped clean.

 

[Wehwalt]

I don't see it as that high, perhaps

Question for you Wehwalt: what is the likelihood now, in your opinion, that the judge in Miami will dismiss this case, especially given all the absurd assertions and requests by MW and family?

Or that the Wiegands will drop the suit?

I don't see it as that high, perhaps 30 percent of ruling that the motion to dismiss should be granted. I see it as meritorious, but I find it hard to get around that the defendants, with their photographs aboard the ship, are suggesting there will be issues of fact before the jury. I think the judge will let it go forward and direct RCL to file an answer to the lawsuit.

 

[JerseySleuth17]

I also read that a worker on the dock below saw what SA was doing and went to alert his supervisor, but didn't reach him in time. If these reports are true, these people will almost certainly be witnesses at both the civil and the criminal trials.

Ugh if a worker on the deck below could see this then CW was either out the window, or so close to the edge of the window someone below could see it and know it wasn't safe. Which puts it back to the question - what on earth was SA thinking being so reckless with a toddler!?! It boggles my mind anyone can be this completely stupid. I still am curious to find out if he was on some type of medication that dulled either his reaction time and/or his common sense. Or this could have been reckless passive/aggressive behavior at being "stuck" watching Chloe when everyone else was having fun. Whatever the truth - he 100% knew that window was open and the fact that this family sticks up for him makes me mental.

 

[justice4allnow]

A Sense of Entitlement

Please don't misunderstand this post, because I have enormous respect for LE. That said, Kim, Alan and Sam all work for their County in various departments, thus are government employees. Well-paying jobs (esp for the Rust Belt), great health insurance/retirement packages, and sometimes powerful union representation may engender a sense of entitlement and an idea that they are not personally responsible for themselves.
They see so much financial waste in government....why should it matter if they get a police escort home from miles away, why should it matter if they use police facilities for their personal press conferences, why shouldn't the Chief of Police in their town use his time to make public statements about their personal legal issues and to disparage Puerto Rico on their behalf, why shouldn't checks be made out to them from County offices (ironically, the Auditor's office!) for their personal use? And yes, public fundraisers are utilized. I have friends working for the County here and I see it here too. And I know that there are exceptions, true public servants who freely give their lives and their time for the rest of us, and I salute them.
So a tragedy happens and there is no personal responsibility taken. It must be the fault of some deep-pockets entity.
It's either that type of thoughtless behavior-or this whole scenario was planned. And that is a horrible idea to contemplate. Because otherwise none of what has happened so far makes any sense.

 

[In vino veritas]

I searched you tube couldn't find it

searched CBS News website---they have a listing for it and a link, but when I click it goes to something else

I don't see it as that high, perhaps


I don't see it as that high, perhaps 30 percent of ruling that the motion to dismiss should be granted. I see it as meritorious, but I find it hard to get around that the defendants, with their photographs aboard the ship, are suggesting there will be issues of fact before the jury. I think the judge will let it go forward and direct RCL to file an answer to the lawsuit.

What issues of fact? The ones asserted by MW and family of the physical impossibility of SA being able to lean far forward as depicted in said photographs?
Unless that jury is stacked with people who loathe big corporations, or are as obtuse as SA, I honestly don’t see how the Wiegands can prevail. I would think the court system would not want to prolong what most perceive as a frivolous lawsuit, wasting time and tax payer dollars. Of course, MOO.

 

[Snoods]

I know that people use online fundraisers for sports or school trips. I have no problem with that.

But it is weird for someone to ask for others to help pay for a child's sports trip, when they are putting up the cash for themselves for a family cruise vacation. I wouldn't help pay for the sports trip if I knew they had the money but chose a vacation instead.

I help kids pay for sports or dance or whatever, when their families are unable to. Not when they could but decide to do something else, that's more fun, instead.

That particular Givememoney asked for $7,000 to pay for his lessons before the trip, accommodations, travel expenses, and the cost of the event itself. The family’s trip to Europe was scheduled for mid-August, a few weeks after they jetted home from Puerto Rico after their pricey cruise vacation. It’s expensive to be them!

Also, the original Givememoney started after Chloe’s death stated it was for travel expenses (they didn’t already have tickets booked for the flight home? Not an excessive cost to change the date. Plus no travel insurance?), funeral costs (she was cremated, she did not have a funeral), unpaid medical bills (what medical bills?), and a college fund for the son. (Why on God’s green earth should strangers pay for your son’s college education? These are two young, able-bodied, educated adults with good jobs and the ability to work for many more years.) Eventually it was changed to funeral, travel, and legal expenses and the original cap was upped after donations exceeded the asking price.

Don’t forget the $2000 memorial bench for Chloe fundraiser which raised $5,880, with the excess going to the family. That was eight months ago, I’m sure the generous people who donated would love an update with a photo of Chloe’s memorial bench.

Then of course SA’s fundraiser to pay for his defense costs.

Am I forgetting any? Of course the RCCL lawsuit, to make sure this doesn’t happen to any other family. (It hasn’t.) It’s not about money. (Except it is. A lot of money.)

This did not require any digging into their private lives at all, because these are public fundraisers. People who start fundraisers want people to find them easily, because they want people to donate. They don’t make them secret or hide them.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I just had to LOL. In looking for the latest news, I came across this story. It's not the story that had me laughing. It's the name of the website. For a split second, I couldn't help wondering if Wink had gone so far as to create his own news site. LOL
Family of toddler who fell to her death off a cruise ship says Royal Caribbean provided a 'false narrative'

So now the mods can’t stop us from calling him names. WinkNews.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Right AFTER?

It was a few years ago, but if I remember the times right, he was several months into treatment and was saying on his FB page that he was feeling better, but wasn't working much. He then showed pictures of his new red truck, and said he just got it and he sure hoped he could keep up with the payments. He was also thanking the church for the dinner as it would help pay bills. Actually the weather was bad, the event was canceled, but I didn't check later to see if it was rescheduled.

It made me angry, because I had cancer about 2 years before him, I'm a widow, so I worked all the way through my chemo, only taking days off for treatment or when I was really hurting. I knew I had to "suck it up buttercup" because I needed the income. Hence my name, Wicked Strong (part of the words Crazy Brave, Wicked Strong by Suzy Toronto).

 

[Midwestmom2019]

That particular Givememoney asked for $7,000 to pay for his lessons before the trip, accommodations, travel expenses, and the cost of the event itself. The family’s trip to Europe was scheduled for mid-August, a few weeks after they jetted home from Puerto Rico after their pricey cruise vacation. It’s expensive to be them!

Also, the original Givememoney started after Chloe’s death stated it was for travel expenses (they didn’t already have tickets booked for the flight home? Not an excessive cost to change the date. Plus no travel insurance?), funeral costs (she was cremated, she did not have a funeral), unpaid medical bills (what medical bills?), and a college fund for the son. (Why on God’s green earth should strangers pay for your son’s college education? These are two young, able-bodied, educated adults with good jobs and the ability to work for many more years.) Eventually it was changed to funeral, travel, and legal expenses and the original cap was upped after donations exceeded the asking price.

Don’t forget the $2000 memorial bench for Chloe fundraiser which raised $5,880, with the excess going to the family. That was eight months ago, I’m sure the generous people who donated would love an update with a photo of Chloe’s memorial bench.

Then of course SA’s fundraiser to pay for his defense costs.

Am I forgetting any? Of course the RCCL lawsuit, to make sure this doesn’t happen to any other family. (It hasn’t.) It’s not about money. (Except it is. A lot of money.)

This did not require any digging into their private lives at all, because these are public fundraisers. People who start fundraisers want people to find them easily, because they want people to donate. They don’t make them secret or hide them.

Maybe one of us could politely inquire about the bench. ?

 

[Snoods]

Maybe one of us could politely inquire about the bench. ?

I’m surprised that the purported Chloe’s memorial bench in the Chloe’s memorial bench fundraiser has been seemingly forgotten and not mentioned at all in any of the comments beneath the fundraiser. It’s almost like it’s a given that there will not really be a bench. Or most likely the people who donated don’t want to be dog piled if they have the gall to ask “Hey, where’s the bench?”

 

[Snoods]

I agree that some people immediately create go fund me whenever they feel the need to. One gal explained it as "our friends are asking how they can help, so we started a go fund me". Another one that irritated me was a community dinner (contributions) for a guy that was going through serious medical problems. I was about to go because he was in my small community, when I saw his FB page saying he's just bought a new pickup right after he was diagnosed, and he wanted to make sure he kept up his truck payments!

The fundraisers that were listed by Chloe’s made me sad, one was $250 for Walking for Parkinson’s Disease that didn’t meet it’s goal. I had to stop looking at them, very disheartening.

Edit: I only donate to fundraisers organized by people and charities that I am familiar with and I would not donate to random online fundraisers. The possibility of deception about where the money is really going is too high.

 

[Snoods]

And file a petition to be named personal representatives for Chloe’s estate for the purpose of filing a wrong death claim the day after the funeral services for Chloe. Wow!

Chloe has an estate?! They act like Chloe was the primary breadwinner of the family.

 

[Lawsmygame2]

Chloe has an estate?! They act like Chloe was the primary breadwinner of the family.

I don’t know how it works...whether if any money collected from the civil suit goes into the “estate” to be distributed to the surviving heirs...aka parents or if it is just for what it says...petition to name AW/KSW as the personal representatives of the estate for the sole purpose of filing a wrongful death.

 

[Lawsmygame2]

Double post.

 

[al66pine]

Early July, PR on the Ball. Team Winkleman Keeping Pace.

Was PR LE on this fatality or what? They called in the prosecutor at the time of the tragedy. Not just police officers. Chief was on it, in MHO. “Accident or murder? We don’t know yet.” She was called bc she would know what evidence was needed at time of trial. And LE was not about to make any mistakes. Took statements. Maybe recorded. Written. Location of original departure, contact info of cruisers information for follow up. Videos? Pics? taken by passengers on their cameras. I’d bet LE was rolling cameras the entire time. Incognito. SA could be in deep Doodoo.

@Midwestmom2019 Agreeing w you that PR was on top of things.
Seems Winkleman got the word out w AW's pix to Daily Mail or to DM 'reporter' --- as @they'll get you has been linking for us. No grass growing under his feet in getting those published. imo

Hoping PR LE was rolling cams the whole time.

 

[weepingangel]

I’m glad to see the early PR Articles. I know there was one with a phone? Interview with a Witness (testigo)

Vaguely recall mention of somebody(ies) seeing something going on and not in time to stop it? Idk. Maybe from original thread ?

Haven’t watched the videos on my computer not sure if they’ll be more clear. I don’t see a lot of things others do - the rocking back and forth for example. Could he/they been waving to people on the ground

 

[al66pine]

BreadWinner? Personal Reps of Chloe's Estate?

Chloe has an estate?! They act like Chloe was the primary breadwinner of the family.

@Snoods Yes, seems kinda crazy, but is not crazy. Well, not exactly.
Paragraphs about loss of Chloe's future earnings, being claimed as damages = boilerplate in these Complaints.
There are situations - relatively rare - where parents would not be named pers reps of a deceased minor's estate. Ex: a minor and parents are killed in a traffic crash.
In filing a wrongful death action, plaintiffs have to be able to prove to ct that they are the approp. persons to bring the action. And to eventually receive payment for any damages if awarded by ct, or thru settlement, etc. Then the $ would be deposited into an account at bank/fin. institution, then would be distributed thru probate ct procedure, presumably per intestacy statute.
Here, being appointed as per reps for Chloe' estate is a formality of sorts for AW & KSW, but a necessary step in the process.

 

[Snoods]

BreadWinner? Personal Reps of Chloe's Estate?
@Snoods Yes, seems crazy, but maybe not.
Paragraphs about loss of Chloe's future earnings, being claimed as damages = boilerplate in these Complaints.
There are situations - relatively rare - where parents would not be named pers reps of a deceased minor's estate. Ex: a minor and parents are killed in a traffic crash.
In filing a wrongful death action, plaintiffs have to be able to prove to ct that they are the approp. persons to bring the action. And to eventually receive payment for any damages if awarded by ct, or thru settlement, etc. Then the $ would be deposited into an account at bank/fin. institution, then would be distributed thru probate ct procedure, presumably per intestacy statute.
Here, being appointed as per reps for Chloe' estate is a formality of sorts for AW & KSW, but a necessary step in the process.

So they are crossing t’s and dotting i’s to ensure Chloe will become the primary breadwinner for the family after her death. Lovely.