Found Deceased IN - Jacqueline Watts, 33, Columbus, 3 March 2017

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Here is a heavy.com article about her disappearance / recovery:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/03/jacki...book-liberty-german-abigail-williams-suspect/

The article includes her sister-in-law's alert and plea for help when Jackie was missing and had not yet been found:

"URGENT! PLEASE READ – MISSING IN COLUMBUS, INDIANA- My family needs your help, ears, eyes, support and prayer,” Jen Watts Barrie, Watts’ sister-in-law, said in a post on Facebook before Jackie’s body was found.

“My sister in law, Jackie, has been missing since this afternoon. She and my brother were flying to DC tonight for a visit, and she didn’t come home to meet Michael and go to the airport,” Barrie wrote.

“She dropped their dogs off at my parents’ house and rabbit off at her parents’ house and no one heard from her afterward. Her car has been located in Columbus, IN, running, with her cell phone and purse inside and the passenger side door open. PLEASE PLEASE view her picture, jog your memories and ask others to take a look. Please pray and send good thoughts. We love her and need her home safe and sound.”

RBBM. I thought it would be useful to quote this since it's the earliest report that I've seen. JMO.
 
That's why I want to see a winter version of google maps. I want to see if the banks of the river are rocky and she could have hit her head before falling in.

One big thing I think it's important to remind everyone of as someone mentioned earlier in the thread is the time of day. When I first read about this case I couldn't get out of my head it being dusk or darker for some reason until it was pointed out it had to have been before 5pm since that's when her car was found so it was still bright daylight. So to me she couldn't have gone after a dog but so blindly and it would have to be a slip and hit head type scenario ESPECIALLY if the water was as shallow as has been referenced. Just want to make sure you guys remember that because once it was pointed out to me it totally changed my thinking..


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The Delphi case and the Columbus case both occurred on public hiking trails. And, I took my dog to play in the Flatrock by the sandbar. I don't think my dog even got her belly wet because it is so shallow.

Not much of a winter in Columbus. The grass is growing and some flowers are blooming way ahead of time. Today it will be in the sixties.
 
The Delphi case and the Columbus case both occurred on public hiking trails. And, my dog has played in the Flatrock by the sandbar. I don't think she got her belly wet because it is so shallow.

As I understand it, she didn't go into the river at the sand bar, but likely washed up there.
 
I would interpret this as "body was found on a sandbar...."
"a sandbar which is in the FR River...."

FTR :confused:
Been trying to figure out this acronym?? :thinking:

HELP! margarita25! :)

and I'd like to :welcome6: all the :newbie: s here for Jacqueline!

For the record


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The Delphi case and the Columbus case both occurred on public hiking trails. And, I took my dog to play in the Flatrock by the sandbar. I don't think my dog even got her belly wet because it is so shallow.

Does the depth of the river vary?
 
She sank to the bottom of the river and washed up on the sandbar. There was no saving her

How do we know she sank to the bottom?

In this thread I previously recalled an event where I "thought" I could cross a crick by walking into and through it to get to the other side. Instead of the sandy dirt bottom which I believed I would be crossing, it was a 2ft deep layer of quicksand mud. My feet sank deep and my tall boots filled and became heavy sending me into an immediate panic. I struggled to release myself and had no balance. I was still close enough to the edge to claw at the bank and pulled on weeds hoping to get a grip, it was fruitless. I was soaked when I finally crawled out. It was a very scary situation and I was alone, not expected back for hours. So, I can see an accident from my own experience.
In the Columbus weather, if she was wet, and with those temperatures, how long would it take for hypothermia to set in?

JMO
 
How do we know she sank to the bottom?

In this thread I previously recalled an event where I "thought" I could cross a crick by walking into and through it to get to the other side. Instead of the sandy dirt bottom which I believed I would be crossing, it was a 2ft deep layer of quicksand mud. My feet sank deep and my tall boots filled and became heavy sending me into an immediate panic. I struggled to release myself and had no balance. I was still close enough to the edge to claw at the bank and pulled on weeds hoping to get a grip, it was fruitless. I was soaked when I finally crawled out. It was a very scary situation and I was alone, not expected back for hours. So, I can see an accident from my own experience.
In the Columbus weather, if she was wet, and with those temperatures, how long would it take for hypothermia to set in?

JMO

because bodies sink to the bottom in water. they don't become visible until they wash up on some sort of land or the gas build up brings them to the surface.
 
There is a small dam near the sandbar that makes a small waterfall. Dams suck you know and anything that goes in on the other side of the dam is pinned to the dam.
This case doesn't make sense.
 
Let me start off by saying that this is extremely tragic. My condolences to Jackie's family, friends, and pets. She was very genuine and had a kind heart. Truly one of a kind.
Additionally, everything stated in this post regarding possible motives is my opinion only and in no way meant to be presented as fact.

I am a Columbus native. I went to high school with Jackie and I lived on Riverside for a number of years. I have a background in Forensic Psychology but do not intend to present my opinion as a professional. However, I have read some comments and questions that I would like to weigh-in on.

1.) There is NO WAY this was a suicide. Jackie would not have taken her own life.
2.) It is very unlikely this case is connected to the A and L case. The demographic doesn't fit. "Similar" isn't good enough for a preferential predator. It has to be exact.

3.) There COULD be a connection between this case and the March 3, 1989 case based on an anniversary killing theory. But the 1989 murder(s) were those of a spree killer, so unless there are other victims yet to be discovered this theory is also unlikely.
4.) It is entirely possible an innocent bystander opened the passenger car door and/or turned on the hazard lights. But if not, J was either forced to leave at gunpoint/bludgeoned by someone impersonating a police officer (won't know until Monday's autopsy) or valued whatever made her leave under her own volition more than her personal belongings (more than likely her own pet and not a stray, but possible).
5.) The water near where J's body was found was much too shallow to drown this time of year and is moderate in temperature (50's) for much of March. However, it is important to note that this particular river is prone to flooding. See: Columbus Flood of 2008
6.) J could have taken four possible routes to her destination from Indianapolis. Three of which are through Taylorsville. (One from Exit 76 on I-65, one on Highway 31 to Washington St. and the other on Highway 31 to Indianapolis Road). The last route is Exit 68 on I-65 to State Road 46.
7.) There are numerous gas stations along each of these routes whereas they are located near major highways and interstates. The two closest gas stations to where her car was found are located on the corner of US 31/National Road and Washington St. (Village Pantry) and on the corner of 11th St. and Washington St. (Marathon).
8.) Noblitt Park is attached to the much more populated Mill Race Park by a series of heavily wooded trails that run alongside the river. Mostly used now for joggers, bikers and fishermen. There are some defunct train trestles back there and some park benches. Noblitt Park itself is rarely used for much of anything. There are a few fields used to practice baseball and a parking lot. Rumored to be a hangout for deviants and drug users. Before being renovated during the late 80's/early 90's into the parks they are today, the entire area used to be populated by impoverished vagabonds and drifters.
9.) The closest golf course is quite far away (at least 2 miles) from the crime scene. Not sure what this speculation is about or where it came from.
10.) Columbus has a very low crime rate. Although it is increasing due to the drug trade (Meth in particular) and a general increase in population due to an expanding job market. With that said, Riverside is one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the city with houses that definitely have security cameras. Whether they will be of any use is yet to be determined.

Unless deemed 'inconclusive,' the results of the autopsy will answer most, if not all the questions we have. It is just a waiting game now. But again, the tragedy of this can not be overstated. So sad.

I have to respectfully disagree with #1 and #2.

Another person can never know what is going on in someone else's head. Often even closest friends and family have no idea when someone is suicidal. I am not saying that is the case here. I am just saying it's a possibility since we can never truly know what someone else is feeling.

And as for #2, again...I am not saying it is the case here or this is connected to the girls in Delphi. But I think historically, there have been killers would don't have to have the victims or circumstances be the same at all. So it's not something that can be 100% ruled out just because of some differences. (In my opinion, just a gut feeling...I don't think they are related but who knows.)

I did some research and it seems like Jacqueline Watts parents/mother? (or maybe it was her mother-in-law ?) live at 3xx Flatrock Dr, Columbus, IN,
which is right next to the river and only ca 300 meters (0.2 miles) from the corner of Riverside Dr and Flatrock Dr where (as I understand it) Jacqueline's car was found

Who found her car? Was it family when they went out looking? Or someone else?
 
One big thing I think it's important to remind everyone of as someone mentioned earlier in the thread is the time of day. When I first read about this case I couldn't get out of my head it being dusk or darker for some reason until it was pointed out it had to have been before 5pm since that's when her car was found so it was still bright daylight. So to me she couldn't have gone after a dog but so blindly and it would have to be a slip and hit head type scenario ESPECIALLY if the water was as shallow as has been referenced. Just want to make sure you guys remember that because once it was pointed out to me it totally changed my thinking..


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This bothers me as well. Along with the fact that the car was found running. Whatever happened, it happened in an affluent area in broad daylight. I know there were nearby parks, but it still seems strange that she encountered a perp at that place and time. And as someone said (sorry don't know how to quote separate posts) I can't imagine a benign reason to leave the car running. And I am someone who has been known to do crazy things trying to rescue a dog. Something is definitely missing here.


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because bodies sink to the bottom in water. they don't become visible until they wash up on some sort of land or the gas build up brings them to the surface.

I guess I am just speculating that she could have crawled, swam, or floated to the sandbar in an injured condition thinking someone would surely miss her, and come looking for her. In this scenario she would have to have been injured though.
Is there debris in the river at this time? locals?
These are just my opinions and thoughts.

ETA; do we know if she could swim?
JMO
 
I guess I am just speculating that she could have crawled, swam, or floated to the sandbar in an injured condition thinking someone would surely miss her, and come looking for her. In this scenario she would have to have been injured though.
Is there debris in the river at this time? locals?
These are just my opinions and thoughts.

ETA; do we know if she could swim?
JMO

Makes sense, duh. I made that post before my first cup of coffee.
 
I put in the whole area of the 300 house numbers. But WSer Theforeigner says the address is right next to the river. I just didn't feel comfortable being more specific on the map at this point.
See quote below:

I did some research and it seems like Jacqueline Watts parents/mother? (or maybe it was her mother-in-law ?) live at 3xx Flatrock Dr, Columbus, IN,
which is right next to the river and only ca 300 meters (0.2 miles) from the corner of Riverside Dr and Flatrock Dr where (as I understand it) Jacqueline's car was found
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Sorry, I messed up the first post and deleted it and have reposted.
 
So her car was found near that wooded area north of that lake and cemetery (which is why I was looking closely at that exact spot).

Exactly how deep is that river directly across from where her car was left running with the blinkers on?

Is boating frequent on that river?
 
A lifelong friend of my wife lives right at the scene. My wife grew up playing in that river where the body was found. There is no quicksand.
 
because bodies sink to the bottom in water. they don't become visible until they wash up on some sort of land or the gas build up brings them to the surface.

Where are you getting this info of "sank to the bottome" Based on numerous posters on the thread, the water was way to shallow to "sink". She would have been easily seen in the water because of its shallowness.

The scenario that bothers me is the one where she droppped off the dogs and stopped to get gas? maybe and she was carjacked. Someone pushed their way into her car as she got in? Then SHE would've been the one that maybe bailed out of the passenger side, leaving the car hanging open, and RAN with the perp running after her.

There was a poster previously that stated they grew up on the street and it is very affluent, houses set back, and the only traffic is from people who lived there basically. It was before the end of the "work" day ...maybe nobody saw anything?

We had a case here once where a woman was jogging on a Sunday morning. Affluent "village" pop. 5K , tree-lined streets, but the houses sit back a bit. Little traffic. Jogger passes a car coming from opposite way, car turns around and driver gets out and starts chasing her down. This woman ran like hell, screaming, to numerous houses, banging on doors, running to another, NOTHING. No one came out, no one heard anything. Perp finally catches her in the backyard of an "estate" and rapes her. Broad daylight on a Sunday morning.

My point being, just because it's daylight and there are houses around, nefarious crimes can still happen without any witnesses.

I think the cops might have a hard time with COD, especially if there is a head injury, then drowning. Did SHE fall and sustain the head injury or did someone GIVE her a head injury?

Am anxious to hear COD and what they think.
 
Also:

I know this is a stretch, but how wide is it at the top of that dam?

Any chance someone tried to take her, maybe down that river, she escaped, tried to run on the dam, slipped and fell below onto the sandbar?
 
Here is a heavy.com article about her disappearance / recovery:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/03/jacki...book-liberty-german-abigail-williams-suspect/

The article includes her sister-in-law's alert and plea for help when Jackie was missing and had not yet been found:



RBBM. I thought it would be useful to quote this since it's the earliest report that I've seen. JMO.

Thanks for the article. I have to say, I haven't read every post here... but I'm wondering if the stray dog theory is rumor, or has this been substantiated? I just don't see that scenario as being likely, JMO. I wouldn't leave my car running with all of my belongings in it to chase a stray dog, especially if I had a flight to catch. If it was my dog that jumped out of the car, then yes... but the sister in law stated that she had dropped the dogs off already. It's a tragedy no matter how it happened, but I just think there is more to it than an accident. JMO


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Thanks for the article. I have to say, I haven't read every post here... but I'm wondering if the stray dog theory is rumor, or has this been substantiated? I just don't see that scenario as being likely, JMO. I wouldn't leave my car running with all of my belongings in it to chase a stray dog, especially if I had a flight to catch. If it was my dog that jumped out of the car, then yes... but the sister in law stated that she had dropped the dogs off already. It's a tragedy no matter how it happened, but I just think there is more to it than an accident. JMO


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Do you routinely stop and chase strays? I'm asking respectfully - most people don't. But I do, and when I stop to chase strays I often see others stop to help, and they leave their cars running and doors open as I do. It's a mindset, and most people carefully drive by dogs who are running in the road so as to avoid hitting them, but few people stop and try to capture the dog. So I think you have to take that mindset into account.
 

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