yadler
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Donating a sweat shirt to a thrift store beggers the imagination. Picking up/paying for a used one at said thrift shop is equally unimaginable. LE has its work cut out for them.
IN - Kimberly Camm, 35, & 2 children murdered, Georgetown, 28 Sept 2000 *2 earlier trials OVERTURNED
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Newswolf
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Goody, I agree with you about the adultery issue being germane. The decision to overturn the conviction was shocking. New Albany is right across the Ohio River from Louisville, 2 minutes across the bridge.
The ex-con does claim that it was his "prison clothes" that he gave to the Salvation Army so I can see how that might be the case re: the sweat shirt.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3010211&nav=0RZFWuvB
Now, nearly two years after he was found guilty, the DNA match with Charles Boney to a sweatshirt found at the murder scene gives Camm's sister, Julie Houge, hope others will follow. "They've tried and tried to put that sweatshirt in Dave's hands. There is absolutely none of Dave's DNA on that sweatshirt."
On the other side, Nick Stein, an attorney for Kim Camm's family, downplayed the latest development, saying "the sweatshirt is of minimal significance."
http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2005/03/01/news/new_albany_tribune/news03.txt
"We do know his T-shirt said he was four feet from Jill at the exact moment a bullet passed through her skull and created high velocity impact (blood) splatter on his T-shirt and a cone around her head in the bronco that matches," Faith said.
Henderson said he believes the crime scene was all for show.
"I think the entire scene was staged and I think the shirt was part of it," Henderson said. "The investigators sensed when they examined it that the scene was too clean."
A stain on the sweatshirt also contains unidentified female DNA Henderson said.
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Jill's 10th birthday was yesterday according to the article.
The ex-con does claim that it was his "prison clothes" that he gave to the Salvation Army so I can see how that might be the case re: the sweat shirt.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3010211&nav=0RZFWuvB
Now, nearly two years after he was found guilty, the DNA match with Charles Boney to a sweatshirt found at the murder scene gives Camm's sister, Julie Houge, hope others will follow. "They've tried and tried to put that sweatshirt in Dave's hands. There is absolutely none of Dave's DNA on that sweatshirt."
On the other side, Nick Stein, an attorney for Kim Camm's family, downplayed the latest development, saying "the sweatshirt is of minimal significance."
http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2005/03/01/news/new_albany_tribune/news03.txt
"We do know his T-shirt said he was four feet from Jill at the exact moment a bullet passed through her skull and created high velocity impact (blood) splatter on his T-shirt and a cone around her head in the bronco that matches," Faith said.
Henderson said he believes the crime scene was all for show.
"I think the entire scene was staged and I think the shirt was part of it," Henderson said. "The investigators sensed when they examined it that the scene was too clean."
A stain on the sweatshirt also contains unidentified female DNA Henderson said.
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Jill's 10th birthday was yesterday according to the article.
Newswolf
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http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3010211
Kim Camm's family hopes to hold a news conference in the next day or two after further consulting with prosecutors about the case. But Stein says they still believe "100 percent that David Camm is the killer."
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3013275
"Mr. Boney's going to come out of jail, go to somebody's house in Georgetown, brutally murder three people and they say 'Oh, I think I'll take off my sweatshirt that I got from DOC (Department of Corrections) and lay it down here by the boy.'"
"Does that make sense to anyone?" asked Steve Owen, Chief Deputy Prosecutor for Floyd County. "Because it doesn't make sense to me."
However, Owen suggested another scenario that does make sense. "It does make sense that somebody who killed those people thought 'Hey, I got a sweatshirt that don't belong to me and I know that don't belong to me,' and roll that sweatshirt up and lay it by his boy's side. Now that makes sense," Owen said.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3010548
Boney admits his past doesn't look good. When I pointed out that there are issues with shoes that are unexplained in the Camm case from the crime scene where his sweatshirt was found, he said it was the first he has heard of about it.
I asked if he was worried about that aspect of the case and he said, "not at all."
Kim Camm's shoes were found on top of the Ford Bronco the night of the murders. There were also injuries to the top of her feet. Investigators have always been puzzled by both facts.
Boney says there's no connection to his shoe crimes and the Camm case. He says the incidents involving him taking womens' shoes were part of "a fraternity prank. It was stupid. I can't even put into words what it was."
Boney denies having a shoe fetish.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3015135&nav=0RZFWxcD
Boney claims no connection to the Camm family, but they had several opportunities to cross paths, dating back to high school.
Boney wrestled at New Albany High School in 1987. At the time, he went by Darnell. Among his 240 classmates was Danny Camm -- David's younger brother.
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I do not know what to think except wait to hear the evidence.
Kim Camm's family hopes to hold a news conference in the next day or two after further consulting with prosecutors about the case. But Stein says they still believe "100 percent that David Camm is the killer."
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3013275
"Mr. Boney's going to come out of jail, go to somebody's house in Georgetown, brutally murder three people and they say 'Oh, I think I'll take off my sweatshirt that I got from DOC (Department of Corrections) and lay it down here by the boy.'"
"Does that make sense to anyone?" asked Steve Owen, Chief Deputy Prosecutor for Floyd County. "Because it doesn't make sense to me."
However, Owen suggested another scenario that does make sense. "It does make sense that somebody who killed those people thought 'Hey, I got a sweatshirt that don't belong to me and I know that don't belong to me,' and roll that sweatshirt up and lay it by his boy's side. Now that makes sense," Owen said.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3010548
Boney admits his past doesn't look good. When I pointed out that there are issues with shoes that are unexplained in the Camm case from the crime scene where his sweatshirt was found, he said it was the first he has heard of about it.
I asked if he was worried about that aspect of the case and he said, "not at all."
Kim Camm's shoes were found on top of the Ford Bronco the night of the murders. There were also injuries to the top of her feet. Investigators have always been puzzled by both facts.
Boney says there's no connection to his shoe crimes and the Camm case. He says the incidents involving him taking womens' shoes were part of "a fraternity prank. It was stupid. I can't even put into words what it was."
Boney denies having a shoe fetish.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3015135&nav=0RZFWxcD
Boney claims no connection to the Camm family, but they had several opportunities to cross paths, dating back to high school.
Boney wrestled at New Albany High School in 1987. At the time, he went by Darnell. Among his 240 classmates was Danny Camm -- David's younger brother.
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I do not know what to think except wait to hear the evidence.
smellsarat
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Oh Boy...the coincidences are stacking up aren't they??....and the shoe thing...weird and puzzling and he just so happens to have a shoe thing!!!
I dunno this sounds like a case for Columbo!!!
I dunno this sounds like a case for Columbo!!!
nanandjim
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Okay, if the convict did it, what was his motive? It doesn't appear that anything was missing from the home. So, robbery is not a motive. Also, the gun used (38 caliber, I believe) is the same caliber that police use. Did the convict own a 38-caliber gun?
I still think David Camm committed this crime and staged everything afterwards. He definitely would know how to do that. I personally think the high velocity blood on his shirt and shoes are the key to this whole thing.
I still think David Camm committed this crime and staged everything afterwards. He definitely would know how to do that. I personally think the high velocity blood on his shirt and shoes are the key to this whole thing.
kato
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smellsarat said:Oh Boy...the coincidences are stacking up aren't they??....and the shoe thing...weird and puzzling and he just so happens to have a shoe thing!!!
I dunno this sounds like a case for Columbo!!!
LOL Or a case for Monk.
smellsarat
Former Member
Only Monk would'nt touch the sweatshirt!!!kato said:
kato
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smellsarat said:
LOL You got that right! My BF hates Monk.
Newswolf
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http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3034945
Police in southern Indiana have arrested a second man in the murders of Kim, Brad and Jill Camm.
Charles Boney was arrested overnight and is now in the Floyd County jail, charged with three counts of murder, possession of a handgun by a convicted felon, and being habitual offender.
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Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson is not commenting at this time about Boney's arrest.
Boney is now charged, along with former Indiana State Police Trooper David Camm, who was the husband of Kim Camm and the father of Jill and Brad.
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Developing. I don't know what to make of this!
Police in southern Indiana have arrested a second man in the murders of Kim, Brad and Jill Camm.
Charles Boney was arrested overnight and is now in the Floyd County jail, charged with three counts of murder, possession of a handgun by a convicted felon, and being habitual offender.
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Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson is not commenting at this time about Boney's arrest.
Boney is now charged, along with former Indiana State Police Trooper David Camm, who was the husband of Kim Camm and the father of Jill and Brad.
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Developing. I don't know what to make of this!
smellsarat
Former Member
Newswolf said:
So are they implying they acted in concert or just can't make up their minds which one did it????
Newswolf
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Smells, beats me. I know the DA is gagged on Camm, but he isn't on Boney, yet. I'm hoping he will make some statement about this arrest. Boney will likely be arraigned Monday - that's usually what happens with weekend arrests, so maybe we'll learn more by Mon. It certainly is a strange case.
nanandjim
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I'm confused. If Boney was involved, I hope that he makes a deal. I certainly do not want Camm getting away with this crime.smellsarat said:
Newswolf
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...NOL-?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
More scientific evidence developed by investigators this week linked Boney to the homicide, Henderson said at a news conference Saturday. Henderson declined to say what sort of evidence.
"The investigation is at a very sensitive stage," he said. "That's why I won't be answering questions at this time."
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The new evidence is THOUGHT to be fingerprints at the scene.
More scientific evidence developed by investigators this week linked Boney to the homicide, Henderson said at a news conference Saturday. Henderson declined to say what sort of evidence.
"The investigation is at a very sensitive stage," he said. "That's why I won't be answering questions at this time."
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The new evidence is THOUGHT to be fingerprints at the scene.
smellsarat
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Oh geez.do you think maybe he didn't do it???
Newswolf
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I don't see how Camm had the blood spatter spray on his tee unless he was the shooter. I still believe the apparent molestationn of Jill spurred the murders and that points to Camm. But we need more info!
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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060413
Henderson had said last Monday that there was no evidence Boney was involved in the murders, though he added that investigators continued to interview him as a witness.
During the week, however, investigators checked unidentified fingerprints found at the murder scene against Boney's prints.
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He said nothing about whether the charges against Camm would continue to be pursued.
In a brief phone conversation yesterday, Camm declined to comment.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060451
But Mike McDaniel, Camm's lawyer in the first trial, said he asked then-prosecutor Stan Faith to check the DNA against state and federal databanks and was told that no matches were found. Faith later said he also believes it was tested and no matches were found
McDaniel said Boney's DNA probably wasn't in the databanks at the time because the state was running well behind on entering the information from convicts into computers.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060450
The decision to charge a second person in the Camm murder case surprised some people in Floyd County yesterday, but it didn't necessarily persuade them of David Camm's innocence.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060446
Details of Boney's life, including his criminal background, began emerging last week through interviews and court records.
Boney's first conviction came after a 1989 arrest for robbery for forcibly taking shoes from three young women in Bloomington, Ind. In some cases, the women were knocked down and punched.
Boney said last week that he took the shoes as a prank while he was an Indiana University student.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060413
Henderson had said last Monday that there was no evidence Boney was involved in the murders, though he added that investigators continued to interview him as a witness.
During the week, however, investigators checked unidentified fingerprints found at the murder scene against Boney's prints.
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He said nothing about whether the charges against Camm would continue to be pursued.
In a brief phone conversation yesterday, Camm declined to comment.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060451
But Mike McDaniel, Camm's lawyer in the first trial, said he asked then-prosecutor Stan Faith to check the DNA against state and federal databanks and was told that no matches were found. Faith later said he also believes it was tested and no matches were found
McDaniel said Boney's DNA probably wasn't in the databanks at the time because the state was running well behind on entering the information from convicts into computers.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060450
The decision to charge a second person in the Camm murder case surprised some people in Floyd County yesterday, but it didn't necessarily persuade them of David Camm's innocence.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050306/NEWS02/503060446
Details of Boney's life, including his criminal background, began emerging last week through interviews and court records.
Boney's first conviction came after a 1989 arrest for robbery for forcibly taking shoes from three young women in Bloomington, Ind. In some cases, the women were knocked down and punched.
Boney said last week that he took the shoes as a prank while he was an Indiana University student.
smellsarat
Former Member
The "shoe" coincidence is so weird................
Newswolf
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http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/rss/11073904.htm
A Kentucky man will be arraigned Wednesday in the slayings of a former Indiana state trooper's wife and two children, but prosecutors still have not said what led them to arrest Charles Boney.
The 35-year-old ex-convict from Louisville was in court Monday when Floyd County prosecutor Keith Henderson said investigators needed until Wednesday to wrap up their investigation into the September 2000 shooting deaths of Kimberly Camm, 36, and her two children, Bradley, 7, and Jill, 5.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050307/NEWS02/503070373/1025
When former Indiana state trooper David Camm's wife and their two small children were found shot to death in September 2000, the shirt was under the body of 7-year-old Bradley Camm, said Stan Faith, who was the Floyd County prosecutor at the time.
The shirt was placed in a body bag with Bradley's body and found at the autopsy a day or two later, Faith said.
A Kentucky man will be arraigned Wednesday in the slayings of a former Indiana state trooper's wife and two children, but prosecutors still have not said what led them to arrest Charles Boney.
The 35-year-old ex-convict from Louisville was in court Monday when Floyd County prosecutor Keith Henderson said investigators needed until Wednesday to wrap up their investigation into the September 2000 shooting deaths of Kimberly Camm, 36, and her two children, Bradley, 7, and Jill, 5.
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http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050307/NEWS02/503070373/1025
When former Indiana state trooper David Camm's wife and their two small children were found shot to death in September 2000, the shirt was under the body of 7-year-old Bradley Camm, said Stan Faith, who was the Floyd County prosecutor at the time.
The shirt was placed in a body bag with Bradley's body and found at the autopsy a day or two later, Faith said.
smellsarat
Former Member
And the cops make no comment on what the heck is going on...........????
Very intriguing case I must say!!!:waitasec:
Very intriguing case I must say!!!:waitasec:
Newswolf
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It appears they have found some way to connect Camm & Boney
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3042770
The biggest news to come out of Floyd County Monday was that the case against David Camm will stand.
"The case will continue," said Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson. "I think it's fair to say that as of Wednesday, after the formal charges are issued, Mr. Boney will now be a co-defendant."
http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/davidcamm/4261491/detail.html
~In the 1980s, Boney was a classmate of David Camm's younger brother, Danny Camm, both in middle school and high school, WLKY NewsChannel 32's Andy Alcock reported Monday.
"The closest family member that I've ever encountered was David Camm's younger brother, which was Danny Camm," Boney told WLKY last week. "I went to school and graduated with him in 1987 from New Albany."
~~Danny Camm also drew up an insurance policy for his older brother shortly before David Camm's wife and children were found shot to death.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=3042770
The biggest news to come out of Floyd County Monday was that the case against David Camm will stand.
"The case will continue," said Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson. "I think it's fair to say that as of Wednesday, after the formal charges are issued, Mr. Boney will now be a co-defendant."
http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/davidcamm/4261491/detail.html
~In the 1980s, Boney was a classmate of David Camm's younger brother, Danny Camm, both in middle school and high school, WLKY NewsChannel 32's Andy Alcock reported Monday.
"The closest family member that I've ever encountered was David Camm's younger brother, which was Danny Camm," Boney told WLKY last week. "I went to school and graduated with him in 1987 from New Albany."
~~Danny Camm also drew up an insurance policy for his older brother shortly before David Camm's wife and children were found shot to death.
smellsarat
Former Member
Thanks for keeping us up to speed Newswolf!!!:clap: Do you think the CTV and Fox and Abrams shows will start looking at this case??? I know 48 HRS did a show on it but they rarely follow up on those shows...........