IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #12

[cluciano63]

This all makes me think of the Phylicia Barnes case as well as others. Phylicia's parents and LE have a suspicion of what MIGHT have happened and who MIGHT (PROBABLY) have had something to do with her disappearance and the subsequent finding of her body. However, the "players" in that situation have remained extremely tight lipped. In many cases the parties involved in a crime or someone with knowledge of that crime eventually crack and come forward. But we have seen so many cases where a person may come forward YEARS even DECADES later with information that has burned a hole in their conscience, that cracks a very cold case. That is why in my mind, I don't quite dismiss Lauren's friends just b/c nobody has cracked.

Lauren MAY have been abducted by a stranger. Looking at that photo show, there looks to me to be all kinds of little nooks and crannies for some monster to be lurking, just waiting for someone to snatch.. Her friends and associates may be guilty of absolutely nothing except being carefree college students looking out for their own best interest.

Having read and watched many true crime cases, I remain firmly on the fence as to what has happened to Lauren. The outcomes of some cases are sometimes baffling and go in a direction that nobody could have imagined. I know that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But I just felt led to inject my $.02.

I just hope it doesn't take decades for Lauren's parents to find the closure they need to this nightmare.

I know, I have mentioned Phylicia's case before too...a number of people coming and going in and out of that apartment before she went missing and no sign of a struggle or death occuring there...and no video of P leaving the premises, either alone or with others...and then to be found many miles away in a river, where she had apparently been the entire 4 months... And no movement as far as arrests, suspects named, etc...very sad and frustrating.

 

[jennyb629]

One other thing that I was thinking of today....

Not sure I'm buying the OD theory anymore either. IF she OD'd, I'd think that they'd call an ambulance or take her to the hospital. Sure, they could be scared, for fear that they could be implicated in giving her some drug, but unless they did the drugs out in public, or perhaps in the alley which was caught on camera, there would really be no way to prove this. She had been at a bar - could have been slipped something in her drink. Even if they were all forced to take a drug test, I'm not sure how long coke shows up in your system. Pot is like 40 days I think, in urine. But big deal - so they were on drugs too? That doesn't prove that THEY gave them to her. I don't know. I just find this one more difficult of the scenarios. However, it's also the ONLY one that I can see which would give them all cause to help with a cover up - they'd all be scared to believe they could each be implicated.

I agree that if it was an OD they'd probably call 911. Even if she was using their drugs, I think it would be fairly easy to say that she got the drugs somewhere else/they don't know how she got so messed up. Or at least, in this scenario, as awful as it sounds, they could have waited a couple hours to get rid of their drugs, sober up themselves and then call the cops and just say they were asleep, woke up and found her like that. I mean, for instance if she ODed at 4am, they could've waited until even 10-11 am to call and still make it seem like 'we had no idea she was that bad off, we just crashed after we were all hanging out last night-I offered her my couch because she seemed pretty out of it, but had no idea how bad she was, they weren't my drugs, she was like that when she got here, etc."

That's why lately I've been thinking either this is not the correct scenario at all (this is not an OD/cover up) or it is something more implicating involved, ie. she had sex with someone and that person was worried about DNA (possibly could be this combined with the OD, in which case it would make more sense that they would try to cover it up instead of calling 911), IMO.

Still struggling with the OD/cover up scenario, though.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

The parents are pleading with her friends to come forward with info. How else would you construe it?

They are desperate for info??? They can't plead to strangers... all they can do is to plead with Lauren's friends who could hold information... It doesn't convict them, though.

 

[shockedandappalled]

I am also entirely on the fence.

I'm probably leaning more towards a stranger abduction. I haven't read anything in MSM or anywhere else that points towards Lauren's group of friends.

I remember people saying the EXACT same thing about Morgan Harrington's friends - they are bad friends, they are not being forthcoming, their stories are suspcious, etc... In the end, her body was found and matched with a stranger's DNA.

I, for one, think a stranger could have had tons of opportunity to snatch a small, drunk, blonde girl. Maybe the only thing Jay Rosenbaum is guilty of, is of being a little too drunk to know exactly what he saw and where he saw Lauren. Maybe he said he saw her walking home so people don't crucify him as a bad friend even if he just went straight to bed after Lauren left his door.

Maybe Lauren didn't go directly home, maybe she wondered to find her shoes, her keys, her phone... Cameras do NOT tell the whole story. She could have walked other ways in which she was not caught on camera.

In summary, all I'm saying is that I'm not conviced this was NOT a stranger abduction/crime of opportunity.

I think the public heat on Jay Rosenbaum is unfair because there is NOTHING that points towards him killing Lauren. Zero. There is no evidence, no motive.

I am on the fence and my two possibilities are:

1) Lauren wandered of the boys' apartment complex and met with stranger danger.

2) Lauren's boyfriend did something to her. I only believe this can be the case because the fight and Lauren being with CR creates a motive for a crime of passion.

Having been at that area numerous times over the last 7 years I can tell you as a grown adult who is much larger than LS I would not walk the street alone at night.

I have seen a college kid so out of it throw a very large, very heavy trash bin at a bunch of kids.

We don't know if some other kid maybe even one who was in 10th and college was there when LS rounded the corner.

We don't know if a local was walking by.

We don't know a lot but hopefully LE is not as narrow minded as some posting here who appear to KNOW exactly what has happened and are closing their minds to all other possibilities.

However, it is not that which I have a problem with its that web blog and the posting of the link here which is a promotion of what that person is wrongfully doing.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

OMG, I had no idea Philicia's body had been found...

 

[jjenny]

True, and I most certainly agree, though the board in question he has been a member of for years and he is well known there on a first-name basis. It is easy enough to follow the trail to his myspace & fb accounts also and everything checks out.

I am not sure if you can post it here but I am certainly interested.

 

[shockedandappalled]

No one has said they "know definitely." This is not a contest. I gather info, I share it. It's that simple.

I appreciate your clarification that you do not know definitely.

However, let me ask you another way is there any possibility that someone could have looked out a window and seen LS round the corner?

 

[jjenny]

They are desperate for info??? They can't plead to stranger... all they can do is to plead with Lauren's friends who could hold information... It doesn't convict them, though.

Why can't you plead to a stranger? "Please let her go, we need her home, etc, etc, etc, etc."

 

[The Smurf]

I am not sure if you can post it here but I am certainly interested.

The thread woodpecker is talking about is extremely interesting and, based on the fact that the thread started about the 1st or 2nd day LS went missing, along with what woodpecker said, the guy is almost certainly legitimately JW;s brother.

 

[Cuoco7]

Think of the social circle as a duck duck goose game, and LE is standing on the outside watching....

If LE were to play, the end result will have alleviated the friends and/or POI's one by one. In the end they will be left with one POI in which the pressure from LE specifically would be too much....and they likely don't have "enough" to pull the POI in. So where do they go from there?

But, if you leaveall of the friends sitting in the circle and the pressure builds amongst themselves... It could be very telling and perhaps very volatile. They will be demanding answers from each other, they will want to get the pressure off of themselves if they don't know anything. Parents will get involved because they want their child's name released. Basically they cannot go back to school in the fall with this hanging over their heads. I believe we will be seeing this evolve into a social circle turning on each other, sooner than later.


JMO

 

[cluciano63]

OMG, I had no idea Philicia's body had been found...

Yes, in April...in the Susquehanna River, caught up in a dam, many miles from where she was last known to be...

 

[shockedandappalled]

I think that site talking about Jay's parents, money, photos... is putting too much heat on someone who might be completely innocent.

It's fair to speculate but that site went a little too far, IMO.

I don't think anyone here at WS has gone too far though.

Thank you. And the connections to people who may or may not even be related to him.

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The Phish link wasn't allowed so why is that link not been taken down and all the posts referring to it removed?

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Why can't you plead to a stranger? "Please let her go, we need her home, etc, etc, etc, etc."

They have done that too... but it's just easier to plead to people you know... it's only my take on this. you can be right.

 

[jennyb629]

I think that the parents are likely more suspicious of the social circle since they have the same reservations as we all do about why some seem to be hiding and not cooperating. But I think it is entirely possible that the running and hiding for cover has everything to do with the desire to hide the drug culture lifestyle from the glare of the spotlight than any real involvement.

I can say, after googling any of the main names in this case, if I had info I would never take the risk of coming forward now. At least not anonymously - even the vaguely associated names are getting highly visible on the net.

I think you're right that the running and hiding/not talking probably has a lot to do with the drugs/lifestyle-and while I wish this wouldn't keep people from being more forthcoming with LS's family, I can see why it would. I think another possibility for why LS's family and LE seem more suspicious of the social circle is that it should be so much easier to solve this case if LS's friends were involved vs. a random abductor. They are obviously upset that her friends haven't been more helpful-and I think they have a right to be-but it is much easier for them to express that and try to reach out to her friends than to try to put the pressure on a stranger.

 

[cluciano63]

I think the parents are frustrated because they are still hearing that no one has been ruled out...and wonder how this can be. They know more than we do about the exact level of cooperation of each person and I would guess those levels are not all equal or complete.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I am so disturbed by the thought that Bloomington LE along with the FBI and every other LE that is involved might have ruled out stranger abduction.

http://www.lohud.com/article/2011060...106090420/1018

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snipped and bolded by me.

shocked. your link doesn't work for me. is it a link to an article stating LE might have ruled out stanger abduction?

i'm convinced this is a stranger abduction so I really want to read why LE may try to throw that theory under the rug.

 

[shockedandappalled]

Think of the social circle as a duck duck goose game, and LE is standing on the outside watching....

If LE were to play, the end result will have alleviated the friends and/or POI's one by one. In the end they will be left with one POI in which the pressure from LE specifically would be too much....and they likely don't have "enough" to pull the POI in. So where do they go from there?

But, if you leaveall of the friends sitting in the circle and the pressure builds amongst themselves... It could be very telling and perhaps very volatile. They will be demanding answers from each other, they will want to get the pressure off of themselves if they don't know anything. Parents will get involved because they want their child's name released. Basically they cannot go back to school in the fall with this hanging over their heads. I believe we will be seeing this evolve into a social circle turning on each other, sooner than later.


JMO

And if they are innocent?

And if they are not hiding anything but have nothing to tell more than they have told which btw WE do NOT know what they have told LE.

There will be a lot of kids lives ruined.

Oh I know but at least they are here and their parents know where they are <sarcasm>.

Too bad the general public could not have the demur of the Spierers and ask without accusations then maybe someone who might be intimidated by the public would come forward.

 

[shockedandappalled]

I am so disturbed by the thought that Bloomington LE along with the FBI and every other LE that is involved might have ruled out stranger abduction.

http://www.lohud.com/article/2011060...106090420/1018

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snipped and bolded by me.

shocked. your link doesn't work for me. is it a link to an article stating LE might have ruled out stanger abduction?

i'm convinced this is a stranger abduction so I really want to read why LE may try to throw that theory under the rug.

No I did not say they have ruled it out. I am saying I am shocked that they MIGHT have ruled it out based on someone posting here about the lack of warnings being made concerning a possible non-related party being out there that could harm others.

 

[bluehippo22]

That's why lately I've been thinking either this is not the correct scenario at all (this is not an OD/cover up) or it is something more implicating involved, ie. she had sex with someone and that person was worried about DNA (possibly could be this combined with the OD, in which case it would make more sense that they would try to cover it up instead of calling 911), IMO.

Still struggling with the OD/cover up scenario, though.

I also think that the OD/cover up is the strongest scenario only with additional motivation such as 1) consensual (or nonconsensual sex) or 2) some substantial drug dealing. Otherwise, the simplest reaction would have been to call 911.

 

[justmethinking]

Thank you. And the connections to people who may or may not even be related to him.

As far as WS why is that LINK HERE?

The Phish link wasn't allowed so why is that link not been taken down and all the posts referring to it removed?

JR (or any of the others) could alleviate a bunch of the pressure on himself and his family/friends by speaking up. He could go to LE. His attorney could hold a press conference. He could cooperate so openly that LS's parents could publicly acknowledge him as being helpful in the investigation. However, by choosing to remain silent to the public (and seemingly LE), people speculate. Not always nice, but it is the way the world works. Maybe the pressure will finally get to him and he'll tell what he knows to LE and her family.