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How far is this from Abby and Libby in Delphi? (Pizza fingers here)
Approximately 3 hour drive
How far is this from Abby and Libby in Delphi? (Pizza fingers here)
Another six year anniversary article, from Vincennes:
http://www.suncommercial.com/news/article_4d3f5588-487d-11e7-917a-470f5829e3b9.html
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All these years and no justice. Her "friends" get away it. FBI does nothing. I will never forget.
Hi Everyone - I'm interested in doing a podcast on Lauren's case. Does anyone have connections close to the case? I've tried reaching out to the family with no luck. I'd love to talk to anyone if you think you have something to contribute - shoot me a message. Thanks.
All these years and no justice. Her "friends" get away it. FBI does nothing. I will never forget.
The relationship Rosenbaum shared with Spierer, a petite and pretty blonde, was plutonic. She was dating Jesse Wolff, someone both she and Rosenbaum knew from summer camp and reunited with as students at Indiana. Wolff and Rosenbaum were fraternity brothers at Alpha Epsilon Pi.
The weekend before she went missing, Rosenbaum introduced Spierer to Beth and Rossman, his neighbors in the apartment building the three youngsters shared. Not with Wolff at the time of the introduction, Spierer and Rossman flirted. Rossman made it known to his friends the days leading up to Spierer going missing that he was interested in her romantically.
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- The boyfriend of the Indiana University student who has been missing for two years passed a privately administered lie-detector test and won't take one with Bloomington, Ind., police because they aren't to be trusted, his parents told The (Westchester County, N.Y.) Journal News on Saturday.
"I don't think they're very adept at anything except giving kids drinking tickets," said Nadine Wolff, the mother of Lauren Spierer's boyfriend, Jesse Wolff. "I don't trust them, period."
The parents, in a telephone interview, also said Spierer's parents are "liars," called The Journal News biased, and took a shot at Lauren Spierer herself.
"This poor little girl is not with us today because of her drug abuse," Nadine Wolff said.
Unfortunately, the reasons to cast suspicion on JW do not stop there. He called his father and (allegedly) told him that Lauren was missing right away. Their conversation could have been much more sinister, of course. A son who just did something very, very wrong and in a state of panic, asked his father for help
Whatever their conversation was about, his father--a very busy, wealthy man--dropped everything and traveled to Indiana at almost the speed of light. He even arrived before the Spierer's did. Who does that? Why didn't JW's father simply wait for more information. See if she turns up later that day. Or the next. Why rush to Indiana so fast when even the police barely know what is going on at that point? None of it adds up.
But then what else happened in the following days? JW was supposedly in love with this girl, but he only searched for a few days. Then he went home. Then he dropped out of school. And then he never came back.
A couple of years later, his parents slander the Spierer family in the media. They claim their son passed a "private" lie-detector test, but he absolutely refuses to take one with the actual investigators because "they only know how to write drinking tickets". What kind of nonsense is that? And then the audacity to slander the missing and presumed dead girl who cannot defend herself-- in a newspaper, no less--shows what kind of people they are.
No, I could see one of the 5N residents being involved in Lauren's disappearance. It's much harder for multiple people to keep a secret, particularly at that age. These kids were almost juveniles still, barely of age in college, their brains not yet fully developed--not hardened criminals. Their psychology would be fragile and broken under intense pressure and investigation. Until the case is solved, there may always be suspicion on them, and to some extent that's not unreasonable...after all the case has not been solved, and all theories should be explored.
However, I think everyone was too quick to narrow their focus in this case. The investigation focused too much on the "headlines", the tangible stuff that was known. Then once those avenues were exhausted, everyone kept doubling down on them and insisting that the last people seen with her must be lying. Why not further scrutiny on the jealous boyfriend? I've thought he was responsible from day 1.
So what do you theorize actually happened that night and how do you think JW and his dad covered it up?
Also, any thoughts on the raid in Martinsville in January of last year that was stated to have been related to this case?
I started following Lauren's case when it first happened in June 2011. Everyone seemed to be focused on 5N, but I was struck by the insincere and seemingly inaccurate depiction of Lauren and JW's relationship. This was obviously a girl who had broken up with JW, or was at least flirting with and seeing other guys. The narrative that was put out by JW and his circle was that him and Lauren were in a loving long-term relationship, and that she was staying in Bloomington for the summer while he took classes. Later on the day of her disappearance, he was supposedly the concerned boyfriend, who notified the authorities that she was missing. He professed that she was "the love of his life". But this depiction of the nature of their relationship at the time of her disappearance did not stand up to even the minimum amount of scrutiny.
Certainly, given her actions in the week leading up to her disappearance, it does not appear that Lauren had the same opinion of their relationship either.
Meanwhile the people at 5N were heavily scrutinized. Why? Lauren disappeared almost without a trace. There are the statements that the 5N residents gave. There is the video of her in the alley. But nobody witnessed her abduction; or nobody has come forward who witnessed her die of an overdose for that matter, either. There is hardly any physical evidence of her disappearance and she has never been found. There simply isn't much to go on other than the fact that she was last with CR, MB, and JR, and they acknowledge that. Since that was all LE and the media and the family and anyone has ever been able to certifiably, undeniably latch onto 100%, all scrutiny came down upon them. They do not seem like the most savory of characters if you ask me; I would not want my daughter associating with them in any way shape or form. But, I have never seen them do anything after Lauren disappeared that raised a red flag in my book. Their actions following Lauren's disappearance seem entirely normal to me given the position they are in. They were obviously breaking the law and drugs were involved. A girl they were last seen with went missing. Anyone in their position should hire an attorney and they will often follow their attorney's advice. Did they take lie detector tests? I read somewhere that JR's lawyer claims he took and passed a lie detector test with Bloomington P.D. I believe that's true, otherwise I assume Bloomington P.D. would have refuted the assertion, since it was publicized in the media. They gave statements. They submitted for DNA testing. If they've done anything suspicious that would betray guilt since Lauren disappeared, then I would like for someone to point it out to me. Then I might reassess my position.
JW, on the other hand, acted very suspiciously. He was apparently in an argument with HT shortly before he called police. He misrepresented the status of his and Lauren's relationship in the days and weeks following her disappearance. His father flew out to Indiana THAT DAY and arrived even before the missing girl's parents did. He supposedly loved Lauren but abandoned the search for her after just a few days and fled to New York. Where he made often hyperbolic professions of love and edited his "relationship status" with her--a girl who had either dumped him or was cheating on him. A few years later, while the 5N residents and their families have remained relatively silent except for saying "please stop harassing us", JW's parents went to the media to call the Spierer's liars and basically say that Lauren deserved to die because she was a drug addict.
Is that the story of a man with nothing to hide?
You asked me what I think happened Yeahbabs, and here is my theory:
Lauren had dumped JW. She was flirting with CR in the week leading up to her disappearance. He was bragging to everyone that he wanted to hook up with her. They were apparently keen for each other. When they went out on the night of June 2, they partied together and probably planned to hook up. It's what young people do. They became extremely intoxicated, high, or both, and when they attempted to return to Lauren's residence, they were confronted by JW's friend ZO and his enforcer crew. JW's friend ZO punched CR in the face and just about knocked him out. That was a message from JW, or at least done as a service for a friend.
Unable to make it to Lauren's residence without further altercation, perhaps at her suggestion, perhaps at his...Lauren and CR walked back to his place at 5N. Perhaps she planned on staying the night with him. Camera footage of them in the alley is the last time she was verified to have been seen. I believe CR passed out as he said. I believe MB, probably the most credible witness at 5N, wanted nothing to do with her and passed her off to JR, who was her friend. Simple deductive reasoning, of which I can expound on in a further post if you would like, leads me to believe that there is no possibility of CR or MB being involved in Lauren's disappearance. None. An overdose and dumping of the body by the entire group can also be dismissed out of hand. I cannot rule out JR and/or his guest doing something malevolent to Lauren, or disposing of her body after a medical incident, but I think it's unlikely.
What I think happened is that the person most statistically likely to have been involved in her disappearance, the one with the motive, and no alibi, who acted dishonestly and erratically in the days that followed--her recently dumped ex-boyfriend, JW--was involved in her disappearance. I believe he was aware that ZO punched out CR that night. I believe ZO notified him of the incident, and that JW was jealous and stalked Lauren until he confronted her later that night. I believe their relationship was over, terminated by her, and that he accosted her with jealous rage.
I believe he notified his father he was in trouble and that his father arrived even before Lauren's own family did. I believe after hiding her body or temporarily hiding her body, he went through a charade the next day. Texting her phone, going to her residence, calling the police. When his father arrived, they went over to 5N (so obviously he knew where CR lived) and assaulted or attempted to assault CR again despite not having any evidence of him having done anything. CR wasn't even the last person to see Lauren alive.
I believe JW feigned searching for her just a few days, then left to New York.
And that last part is damning. People like to focus on prior actions, character of suspects and witnesses and the like--but I like to focus on what they do in the immediate aftermath of traumatic events. How do they behave? Like someone who is telling the truth, or someone who has something to hide?
JW left Lauren missing or dead in Indiana. He took to social media and made hyperbolic posts about his love for her and then went on with his life. That act of leaving someone behind, and then saying you love them, is the common psychological hallmark of someone who has committed a murder in jealous rage. It is their way of distancing themselves and letting go and saying goodbye.
I don't know anything about this other than what was reported in the media. If I had to guess, I would say it's unconnected. A jailhouse tip or something that didn't pan out. It's been such a long time with no further development, that I find it unlikely to be related.
Anyway, I hope Lauren returns safe to her family. It's unlikely, we all know, but it's not unprecedented. At the very least, I hope her fate is resolved, and closure can be brought to her family soon.
God be with you, LS family.