IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #9

[Glaucon]

... sounds to me they all knew whose keys they were and left them there

I have no feeling either way on this AA guy. But, as a former college dude myself, I can imagine being him and doing the same thing. You're leaving the bar, everyone is drunk, you see an acquaintance (LS), you pick her up/goof around/etc (she's okay with it), she's wasted, bar manager sees you, you then either let her go on her way or hand her off to another acquaintance/friend - all is well. I can easily see that happening. I can also see her keys dropping and nobody noticing. I can also see walking by later and putting them on the nearest fence to be found more easily by the owner.

This AA guy could be guilty as heck, I don't know, but nothing he's talking about is bizarre to me.

 

[phantomthought]

This was summer session...It has been reported that MB was writing 2 papers that night that were due the next day. It has also been reported that
he got 92% on both papers (I'm not sure what all this means but I just wanted to share what I had read)

That also came from the lawyers I imagine it suppose means if he was involved in her disappearance he would be distracted and not have been able to do so good on his papers.I remember Vandersloot's lawyer in the holloway case offering up the same type of drivel.That he did so well on a test the next day and all that meant was he was a psychopath.

 

[ingra1327]

AA is not friends with CR, JW, MB, or JR on facebook.
Isn't it possible he just ran into Lauren wandering around and took her back to JR's because that's where she wanted to go.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

"Up to" can also mean up the street, to the east, because the building is on an incline. And before you say I'm "misreading" this, well, you can just skip that phrase. :crazy:

Correct, perhaps, if you assume a) that LS and CR entered CR/MB's from the West rather than having continued on a straight path from the alley to 11th before entering 5NTs, and b) that the media to whom the spokesman is speaking know what he's talking about.

 

[123F]

This has always bothered me. From the first moment I read it.

Perhaps we should ask Mr. Tony Gatto... he is listed as AJ friends on Facebook... the name is Ajay Amin.

 

[Janeumayer]

YO!!!:seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya:

Nothing about the 3:38 is going to be coming, or elaborated on, so can we please put it aside back in the "extraneous info that is murky to some" category and discuss what info we DID get?
Only 1 friend called LE, please explain how you think this statement is true when we KNOW the POIs have talked to LE.

anyone?

I am thinking that maybe that one friend was DR and not HT? I know he has helped in the searches. DO we have any confirmation that HT has? MOO

 

[bunnyesq.]

Please don't take this with any disrespect. I know you're just trying to think of different possibilities, as we all are. You are not being unfair to this gentleman.

However, this is the sort of statement that potentially explains why more of LS's friends or others haven't come forward. Someone totally innocent (i'm almost sure this guy is) says something and people start to whisper 'how was he really involved?' or LE might go fishing and act accusatory, which is uncomfortable (to say the least) even for the innocent.

So, perhaps it is easiest to give an anonymous tip (through AMW or something else) rather than identifying yourself and dealing with several levels of speculation.

I'm not saying such behavior by people who need to share information is right - it isn't - but it could explain the lack of on-the-record comments to LE.

This is a great point. However, everyone is speculating regardless. It's hard for me to step into their shoes, (the friends/POIs) but my reaction would be to clear my name and, more importantly, help find my friend. Even if I was lawyered up I would ask my attorney to make a statement on my behalf.

Of course then people (like us!) would pick apart that statement speculate away.

 

[elmomom]

IIRC, and I haven't been able to find links to the examples, but in all the viewing and reading around the old pressers, I remember clearly hearing the phrase
"acquaintances"
escorting LS, either from Rileys to Smallwood, or in the alley, or from Smallwood to 5 North. And then later times I never hear that phrase, but only the phrase "the acquaintance" to describe her movements.

A lot of this could be due to sloppy reporting both by the media and by LE themselves, but it can also be the information that they are now choosing to hold close to their chest now that they have a working theory (if they do).

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Is there any connection between the key finder and the defunct frat house?

I think it's safe to say no. It is a Jewish frat, and the key finder is of Indian heritage.

 

[Nancysleuth]

Very suspicious that his friend was walking around at 5 or 6 after being out at 3 and decided to put the keys on the railing. Also he makes sure to add that he didn't know they were hers; why would anyone have thought he would have known they were hers?
Isn't it possible he could be seen on a video in the alley putting the keys on the railing himself?

I have always found this weird too. If I saw a wallet on the ground I would do one of two things. 1) ignore it and keep on walking. 2) pick it up bring it home and try to contact the owner via the name on the credit card or a lost and found. Moving them a railing seems so weird. Like when people drop their wallet they are more apt to check railings than the ground, how is that helpful?!

Also weird that his friend and him discussed it. 'hey man, how was your night' 'oh pretty good, I moved some keys from the ground to the railing' 'aww sounds awesome I saw those keys too but I didn't move them'. Just seems odd to me, although some people do like to have a personal connection to major news stories, so I'd say it's nothing.

I would wonder if the 338 witness was shown his picture in the line up, although I think it's a huge long shot either are involved in the case.

 

[123F]

I have always found this weird too. If I saw a wallet on the ground I would do one of two things. 1) ignore it and keep on walking. 2) pick it up bring it home and try to contact the owner via the name on the credit card or a lost and found. Moving them a railing seems so weird. Like when people drop their wallet they are more apt to check railings than the ground, how is that helpful?!

Also weird that his friend and him discussed it. 'hey man, how was your night' 'oh pretty good, I moved some keys from the ground to the railing' 'aww sounds awesome I saw those keys too but I didn't move them'. Just seems odd to me, although some people do like to have a personal connection to major news stories, so I'd say it's nothing.

I would wonder if the 338 witness was shown his picture in the line up, although I think it's a huge long shot either are involved in the case.

Once again, have Tony Gatto find out, he is friends with AA on Facebook!

 

[elmomom]

AA is not friends with CR, JW, MB, or JR on facebook.
Isn't it possible he just ran into Lauren wandering around and took her back to JR's because that's where she wanted to go.

A ton of things has changed associated with their FB pages over the past few days... I think he was friends with at least some of them at some point, and in fact, if you search for each of them as friends of the others, many of them have disappeared (gone private) changed their names, their location, their High Schools, their association with Indiana etc etc. I think they have been trying to keep their profiles semi private but prevent people that don't know them (us?) from finding them. I am sure at least some of them know we are commenting on their FB pages here.

 

[Glaucon]

Tony,

You seem to have a solid journalism background as well as a strong interest in this case. You're also from NYC. Do you happen to know Mr. Spierer or any associates of his? Mr. Spierer works in NYC, correct?

I don't mean this as an accusatory question at all, you appear to be bringing more clarity to the situation.

- Glaucon

 

[ingra1327]

Since AA is facebook friends with Mr. Gatto, an active reporter on Lauren's case, he probably doesn't have anything to hide. JMO

 

[ingra1327]

A ton of things has changed associated with their FB pages over the past few days... I think he was friends with at least some of them at some point, and in fact, if you search for each of them as friends of the others, many of them have disappeared (gone private) changed their names, their location, their High Schools, their association with Indiana etc etc. I think they have been trying to keep their profiles semi private but prevent people that don't know them (us?) from finding them. I am sure at least some of them know we are commenting on their FB pages here.

It doesn't seem like AA has many friends in common with any of them, though. I looked earlier and didn't see he was friends with any of the POIs then either.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

A ton of things has changed associated with their FB pages over the past few days... I think he was friends with at least some of them at some point, and in fact, if you search for each of them as friends of the others, many of them have disappeared (gone private) changed their names, their location, their High Schools, their association with Indiana etc etc. I think they have been trying to keep their profiles semi private but prevent people that don't know them (us?) from finding them. I am sure at least some of them know we are commenting on their FB pages here.

Really? You think AA was facebook friends with other POIs? He was not when I checked probably a week ago.

 

[123F]

Since AA is facebook friends with Mr. Gatto, an active reported on Lauren's case, he probably doesn't have anything to hide. JMO

Agreed. I believe LE would have questioned AA and his "friend" extensively, but i am curious as to why the friend has not been identified.

 

[TonyGatto]

Tony,

You seem to have a solid journalism background as well as a strong interest in this case. You're also from NYC. Do you happen to know Mr. Spierer or any associates of his? Mr. Spierer works in NYC, correct?

I don't mean this as an accusatory question at all, you appear to be bringing more clarity to the situation.

- Glaucon

Don't know him never met him and I don't know where you're going with this.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

You're right. I no longer have any doubt about that (though I don't know that it was an in-person interview, i.e. that JR was in Bloomington; notably the same video confirms that JW is in Bloomington).

What I do remain doubtful about is whether JR has taken a polygraph. Go to 7:20 of the video - asked how many polygraphs they have administered, the guy says they are "working on the polygraphs now."

Now go to the next day - CR, MB, JR and JW, among others, have been asked for DNA samples. CR and MB have complied. There is no report that JR or JW have complied, but police describe JW as cooperative - http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=283816&position=1&news_type=news. Who does that leave?

I realized I failed to cite support for the DNA info. Here it is - http://www.theindychannel.com/news/28200651/detail.html

 

[elmomom]

It doesn't seem like AA has many friends in common with any of them, though. I looked earlier and didn't see he was friends with any of the POIs then either.

Let me tell you what I do know. When his name first came up it was spelled like it was above (AJ). Someone somewhere - maybe here, maybe as a commentor on another site mentioned that he was friends with one of the POIs but the spelling was wrong, the correct spelling was the actual name Ajay. I pulled up someone I had open in a browser tab at the time (JW, CR, JR or DR) I don't remember which, and looked through the friends list and definitely found him.
I also have observed the changes I told you about.
And, friendships may have changed through this saga, or people don't want to be associated with certain people in public anymore. Who knows?