Inflatable bed kept in the trunk

[Themis]

Just after Labor Day of 2008 is a long time from June 15th. LE had access to the backyard several times already. Just something to think about.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I did not know about the new pool filter ordered from the internet. Going to have to mull that one over. Do you know when it was ordered?

Thanks EU, That was only one thing Lee did for the pool. But not the whole story. You know the issue about providing links? Well, ya would be nice as I found some stuff but no proof offered. For now they are:

Cadaver Dogs - Search Dogs thread Post #99 11/23/08
"I have always wondered WHY they put a new filter pump on the pool right after her death. Pumps last years and all of a sudden Lee orders one and replaces theirs. I wondered if the sand in the pump was contaminated with decomp."

Post #100
"IIRC, LE took the pool pump and or the filter, which is why it needed to be replaced." She goes on to say that no test results have been released and this post is from 11/23/08.

The posts above, nor do the surrounding ones, have any sources attached to them. These are not even the ones I am remembering. I have to go out for awhile now (figures) and will have to look later. It was a pool filter and we would have to verify the dates Lee ordered it versus the arrest, etc. It would have meaning if done BEFORE KC's arrest which I remember was the case along with talk of a bunch of other yard work before July 15. But, of course, I could be wrong. I wasn't even posting back then but was intrigued by all the pool filter discussion but then the story shifted away from focusing on the A's backyard. Dog hits, pool, hibiscus, backing away from date of June 15, fight report, pings of KC being there the 15th but knowing Caylee was with CA the 15th earlier, CA saying they did take a dip on the 15th while KC sat at the table, on and on. Going back to the simplist answer is usually the right one, I hope this theory is not off the radar. If so, why?

 

[celticthyme]

The blanket: If KC first tried to move Caylee from the trunk on Wednesday, there might have been some disgusting results due to decomp and the body's swelling and expulsion of fluids and waste matter. There had to be decomposition insects and eggs busily at work at that time because nature does that so survivors can live in a clean, natural environment. (Think of those insects as mother nature's biohazard removal team.) KC may have grabbed the blanket -- sort of like a wrap so she wouldn't have to touch the body and contaminants. It would also help for the body to be wrapped in a thicker blanket to move it into the laundry bag and then the 2 garbage bags. KC was at the house on the 18th and maybe this is what she did.

The heart sticker: That was the symbolic good bye. Like a substitute for a funeral. KC put the heart sticker on the duct tape just before disposing of the body. (Remember, KC didn't want the A family to have an official funeral -- maybe because she had already had that farewell ceremony in her own mind?) The scrapbooking made the sticker available in her house, but she could have grabbed it when she was in the house collecting the bags, blanket and other items (shovel from the neighbor) that she needed to move the body. She couldn't just put her hands on the body as it might -- come apart in her hands (sorry to be gross).

Afraid of getting caught: KC wasn't normally afraid of her parents and would control them by blowing up at them. But, this was big -- really really big and she couldn't guarantee that if they accidentally saw or suspected something they wouldn't do exactly what CA did when after CA and GA were exposed to the decomp smell they both went into action and third parties got involved -- third parties who were not controllable by KC. Even KC wouldn't take that risk. It appears CA did insert herself now and then when Caylee was concerned. After the big blow-up CA might very well have wanted to say goodbye to Caylee before she left for work so Caylee would know G'ma still loved her. CA was considering a custody challenge. KC could no longer guarantee that CA wouldn't do that -- shove past KC to see Caylee. No. IMHO, KC waited until CA left the house before she returned that morning and by that time, Caylee was dead many hours.

Oh, one more point. Upon death, the human body releases urine and fecal matter almost immediately. That fact could go both ways -- the Pooh blanket was stained and taken out when KC first had the chance to remove the body and the blanket from the room or it happened in the car. Either way, the blanket is used to handle the body and excrements and because it is soiled, it remains with the body permanently. But, washing and re-washing the sheets on the bed might be some proof that it did happen in the bedroom. Otherwise, if a replacement blanket is being washed repeatedly, that could mean cover-up attempt. CA told the LEOs early on that she washed the bedding weekly. But, who can trust everything or anything they say at this point.

Themis,
Excellent points, very well thought out & I totally agree . . . this case is nothing if not a continuing saga of, :waitasec: " head games" or an amazing study in human behavior at it's most intrigueing, disturbing and engulfing enacted by Casey & the encircling family dynamic. I think it is why we here are constantly driven to try to " sleuth" out the details of this heinous crime

 

[Nore]

I think this very likely was the purpose of the airbed-a place to put Caylee while she frolicked with the boys and or the girls...

And Nore, at least your mama thought to make you comfy in the closet and I hope that you were not afraid while you were there... I have a daughter that would rather live inside a closet than in a room and that's no lie. She loves to get under beds, into closets, and she always has. And just for the record, not once did I ask her to go into any of those places, although I have frequently requested that she NOT! To a child, that would just seem like loads of fun, I would think...was that how it was for YOU?

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Hi magic -cat, I think she did use this as a spare bed. I was very young.I dont remember being afraid although I do have claustrophobia now,LOL..also the closet had a light in it. (story of my life,just push her in a corner) :Banane57:

 

[MissJames]

The bed is probably the floating type used in a pool. Caylee probably loved it and wanted to be on it with CA.

I'm sharing with you, but am not able to describe it, it was like a vision.

Going back to the simplist explanation theory. I think they all knew from day one and they are both (CA and KC) to blame. Then GA got involved and so did Lee (remember new pool filter ordered from the internet).

Why would both the A's then tell LE that the pool ladder was on the pool and they always removed it? They were pointing LE to a pool accident.
And I really think the mattress was an inflatable mattress.If it was for the pool it would have been labeled that way in the docs.
But I get what you are saying and seeing. I'm just not seeing it fitting the facts as we know them.

 

[MissJames]

I did not know about the new pool filter ordered from the internet. Going to have to mull that one over. Do you know when it was ordered?

What is the significance of a new filter?

 

[MissJames]

I feel like I'm being contrary today.I usually completely agree with all of you!Maybe it's just my turn to play devil's advocate LOL

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Why would both the A's then tell LE that the pool ladder was on the pool and they always removed it? They were pointing LE to a pool accident.
And I really think the mattress was an inflatable mattress.If it was for the pool it would have been labeled that way in the docs.
But I get what you are saying and seeing. I'm just not seeing it fitting the facts as we know them.

To cover their own butts in case LE did find concrete evidence that it must have involved the pool or, if one points out something in a helpful manner it may work to take focus off of them. Either way, they made it up as they went along. Some truths, some mistruths. Caylee may not have died in the pool but may have been taken into the house to be tended to short of them calling 911. Of course, how do I know? I don't any more than anybody else does, but, all of a sudden - like in a flash of some sort - it seemed simple to me. And, because it's over a year later, I can believe it more due to the way the A's have behaved. KC is not the only nut on that tree.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I feel like I'm being contrary today.I usually completely agree with all of you!Maybe it's just my turn to play devil's advocate LOL

It's ok to be contrary. Hey, where are the blow kisses?

 

[songline]

I feel like I'm being contrary today.I usually completely agree with all of you!Maybe it's just my turn to play devil's advocate LOL

I am sure your Mom taught you to ALWAYS be a nice girl. As mine did.
but darling sometimes you just have to speak your mind.
Don't feel guilty. It is just fine.....:snooty:
And yes the ignore feature is a great tool too.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Just after Labor Day of 2008 is a long time from June 15th. LE had access to the backyard several times already. Just something to think about.

Not the evidence I was thinking about. Going off to try to find another explanation of what was said - hopefully a source.

Adding here: Been looking over the threads going backwards. Let's just say my "vision" is not unique. Back on 8/8/08 a thread called "New: Theory Suggests Caylee Anthony Drowned in Family Pool". In post #10 you will find the following: Basically what I said (cept not the part about CA).

Let's just keep in mind the fact that CA did not want a dead Caylee to be found and did everything in her power to discourage teams of people from looking - that is very anti something behavior. I am taking that fact and claiming she knew Caylee was already dead - period. Gotta take a stand at some point.

If I ever find the filter info, I'll post it for the record. The rest will come out at trial and if I'm wrong I don't care. I will be concerned about my new ability to have very strong impression type "vision" - that's all I can think of to call it. It was weird.

 

[Themis]

What is the significance of a new filter?

It might lend some credibility to a theory that the A family is more involved in some cover-up involving the pool. I don't know.

 

[Themis]

Not the evidence I was thinking about. Going off to try to find another explanation of what was said - hopefully a source.

Adding here: Been looking over the threads going backwards. Let's just say my "vision" is not unique. Back on 8/8/08 a thread called "New: Theory Suggests Caylee Anthony Drowned in Family Pool". In post #10 you will find the following: Basically what I said (cept not the part about CA).

Let's just keep in mind the fact that CA did not want a dead Caylee to be found and did everything in her power to discourage teams of people from looking - that is very anti something behavior. I am taking that fact and claiming she knew Caylee was already dead - period. Gotta take a stand at some point.

If I ever find the filter info, I'll post it for the record. The rest will come out at trial and if I'm wrong I don't care. I will be concerned about my new ability to have very strong impression type "vision" - that's all I can think of to call it. It was weird.

I will watch for the results of your research.

Sounds like you had a couple of epiphanies today -- taking a stand that CA knew Caylee was dead and the vision. I agree with the first.
As to the vision, let me comment with all honesty and respect. Only the person who experiences a vision really knows if it is a vision. Of course, you have to rule out things that might create an impression of a vision like dieting too hard, not enough sleep, medications, etc. It is a lonely path to follow because most people will deny that such things as visions exist. (Some people even deny that science exists, but we generally refer to them a nut jobs! :slap: ) (That was an effort at humor. :floorlaugh: ) The ancient people believed in magic. It was a big part of their culture. The Native American culture was steeped in visions. What you are talking about is seeing across a space and time barrier to "see" something that happened. You know, the law isn't there yet. Evidence isn't there yet. Our science and consumer oriented culture isn't there right now. On the other hand, I can't say you are mistaken, because it is your experience. If such things as vision are real and you had one; I envy you.

 

[Themis]

I know most people do believe the heart sticker was a symbolic good bye,but I believe it was a source of tormenting Caylee.She probably liked the heart stickers .I invision KC saying"you want a sticker? I'll give you a sticker!".Maybe not literally,but more psychologicly .
I edited my last post to say I don't really have a definite theory of where Caylee died.It's ever-evolving as I see evidence and consider points other posters make.

Pssst. The ones who stick rock solid to their first theories are usually wrong.

 

[Intermezzo]

There is no Zany, there is no baby sitter...What was the inflatable bed really used for ? :doh:
I am getting sick of the thoughts.

Exactly Songline. Zanny the Nanny does not exist..other than in Casey's mind as she makes up more lies.
We don't know if the inflatable bed was ever used...RM let them sleep in the same bed with him so no need for it at his place.

 

[Intermezzo]

I know most people do believe the heart sticker was a symbolic good bye,but I believe it was a source of tormenting Caylee.She probably liked the heart stickers .I invision KC saying"you want a sticker? I'll give you a sticker!".Maybe not literally,but more psychologicly .
I edited my last post to say I don't really have a definite theory of where Caylee died.It's ever-evolving as I see evidence and consider points other posters make.

O/T I know, sorry mods..
BBM
What are your thoughts on the the pink t-shirt with the words, BIG Trouble comes in Small Packages" that was found with the remains.

Considering what we have learned from this case, of all the t-shirts to put on Caylee, this one was chosen.
Does it tells us something?
Was this a final message from Casey about Caylee?

 

[MissJames]

Not the evidence I was thinking about. Going off to try to find another explanation of what was said - hopefully a source.

Adding here: Been looking over the threads going backwards. Let's just say my "vision" is not unique. Back on 8/8/08 a thread called "New: Theory Suggests Caylee Anthony Drowned in Family Pool". In post #10 you will find the following: Basically what I said (cept not the part about CA).

Let's just keep in mind the fact that CA did not want a dead Caylee to be found and did everything in her power to discourage teams of people from looking - that is very anti something behavior. I am taking that fact and claiming she knew Caylee was already dead - period. Gotta take a stand at some point.

If I ever find the filter info, I'll post it for the record. The rest will come out at trial and if I'm wrong I don't care. I will be concerned about my new ability to have very strong impression type "vision" - that's all I can think of to call it. It was weird.

I have great respect for visions,intuition and [yes]legit psychics /mediums.I'm glad you feel so strongly about yours.It means you are on to something!Don't doubt yourself or let me cause any doubt.

The A's definitely worked hard to prove an "Alive Caylee". I noticed that a Spiderman toothbrush was turned over to the defense,so what toothbrush was turned over to LE?
I think the A's are up to their eyeballs in coverup.I just can't wrap my brain around being part of an accident,then planning with KC to cover up,then pointing to a pool accident involving KC.
Maybe KC put the duct tape on Caylee,then put her in the pool? Watched her struggle?put her on a raft and shoved her off to float away?

ETA and Astrologers! Some of the best are right here at WS!!!

 

[countzero]

Had more thoughts about KC using the inflatable bed in her car to keep Caylee in and I have to question some theories here.

Wouldn't someone at the parking lot at TL's apt notice this walking by KC's car? Her car is SMALL and I'm not sure the bed would actually fit even with the seats down. I can certainly envision a laundry size basket :furious: but having problems envisioning an inflatable bed blown up. With our inflatable bed, twin size, we use an electric pump to blow it up. Takes about 5 or so minutes. KC would have had to do it at the A compound, maneuver the bed into the car then Caylee.

I have a 3 row SUV and the twin fits but not much else can go in it except on the sides. Yep, I tried it by measurements. My grandkids thought it was funny afterwards.

Then taking the car to Fusion or where ever she wanted to go when CA couldn't or wouldn't watch Caylee, with Caylee in the trunk on the bed SOMEONE would or could have noticed.

I don't buy the chloroform theories either. However, I do believe KC used OTC cold medicines to "knockout" Caylee. I had a family member do this a lot before I found out about it.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

*respectfully snipped for brevity*

Oh, one more point. Upon death, the human body releases urine and fecal matter almost immediately. That fact could go both ways -- the Pooh blanket was stained and taken out when KC first had the chance to remove the body and the blanket from the room or it happened in the car. Either way, the blanket is used to handle the body and excrements and because it is soiled, it remains with the body permanently. But, washing and re-washing the sheets on the bed might be some proof that it did happen in the bedroom. Otherwise, if a replacement blanket is being washed repeatedly, that could mean cover-up attempt. CA told the LEOs early on that she washed the bedding weekly. But, who can trust everything or anything they say at this point.

Possibly...but wasn't Caylee wearing clothing, inluding a pull-up as underwear at the time she was killed? IIRC, shredded bits of a pull-up type diaper were found with Caylee's remains, indicating that's what she was wearing under her clothing. IMO.

If she was dressed in the pull-up when her bladder and bowels released post-mortem, I would expect the pull-up to be doing its job and containing any urine or feces expelled. I doubt the shreds of pull-up found at the dump site were an extra that the killer threw in when "packaging' Caylee's body for disposal, but I suppose that could be possible. Again, IMO.

I think the blanket was used to secure Caylee in case she thrashed while being suffocated by the tape (wrapped papoose style), and I think Casey used it as a way to not have to touch the "icky" body when she got out the garbage bags and put the body in. I think once she knew Caylee was dead, she put her in the garbage bags and never re-opened them, and I think she used the laundry bag because she realized the garbage bags would tear under the dead weight of a well-nourished toddler. IMO.

I know most people do believe the heart sticker was a symbolic good bye,but I believe it was a source of tormenting Caylee.She probably liked the heart stickers .I invision KC saying"you want a sticker? I'll give you a sticker!".Maybe not literally,but more psychologicly .
I edited my last post to say I don't really have a definite theory of where Caylee died.It's ever-evolving as I see evidence and consider points other posters make.

I think it was a mixture of three things - Casey being sadistic, Casey leaving a signature, and Casey trying to mimic the love she should have felt for her daughter. Just my opinion.

 

[LCoastMom]

O/T I know, sorry mods..
BBM
What are your thoughts on the the pink t-shirt with the words, BIG Trouble comes in Small Packages" that was found with the remains.

Considering what we have learned from this case, of all the t-shirts to put on Caylee, this one was chosen.
Does it tells us something?
Was this a final message from Casey about Caylee?

I thought the same thing, almost like she was making a statement with the shirt. Of all the pictures we've seen, how often was Caylee in a TShirt compared to dressed in a cute little outfit?

That little package sure is giving KC lots of trouble now!! I'm willing to bet that thought didn't cross KC's mind!

Had more thoughts about KC using the inflatable bed in her car to keep Caylee in and I have to question some theories here.

Wouldn't someone at the parking lot at TL's apt notice this walking by KC's car? Her car is SMALL and I'm not sure the bed would actually fit even with the seats down. I can certainly envision a laundry size basket :furious: but having problems envisioning an inflatable bed blown up. With our inflatable bed, twin size, we use an electric pump to blow it up. Takes about 5 or so minutes. KC would have had to do it at the A compound, maneuver the bed into the car then Caylee.

I have a 3 row SUV and the twin fits but not much else can go in it except on the sides. Yep, I tried it by measurements. My grandkids thought it was funny afterwards.

Then taking the car to Fusion or where ever she wanted to go when CA couldn't or wouldn't watch Caylee, with Caylee in the trunk on the bed SOMEONE would or could have noticed.

I don't buy the chloroform theories either. However, I do believe KC used OTC cold medicines to "knockout" Caylee. I had a family member do this a lot before I found out about it.

Any idea what would and would not show up in Caylee's hair? Does Tylenol used in moderation show this way?

I would be suspicious in a heart beat if my child/grandchild were acting drunk when mommy decided to go play or the day after for that matter.

Someone with the same or similar car pointed out earlier in this thread, the seats would have to be down, no room for the carseat. And what about the junk in KC's trunk? That mattress was was either used in a house we haven't heard from yet, or purchased to further fool Cindy. Again, JMHO.