Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #79

[CJae]

I agree! AND if she hurt herself that bad just TESTING the gun, it may have made her re-think her choice of primary weapon... :twocents:

Maybe this is why Juan is saying she never had a cut from work and why not reported one to the management at the restaurant? At least not on the date she said?

 

[Shelby1]

I'm just shocked. Whenever she speaks of being suicidal in court I've assumed she meant since the murder, not since they broke up.
I wonder now if she was pre-meditating a murder suicide since 06/29/07. OMG!

Me too!

 

[Linda From New York]

just want to bump this up,really good example of what happened but also one in jodi's sequence of events

I really was impressed with this video when I saw yesterday.

Makes sense!

Wonder if the prosecution would be allowed to present something like this in court?

 

[atthelake]

What is the responsible gun owner's knowledge base, so to speak, on when and how to use a gun for self defense? I was taught to not display, or allow them to know I had one at the ready, until I had made a conscious decision to shoot the aggressor. In other words, never display a gun as a deterrent, only display one to immediately shoot it. I'm not in LE. I think different logic applies there.

I saw that is throwing her grandparents under the bus and putting it and the blame on them. if they had them locked up, Jodi would not have been able to get at them. but Jodi they are dead.

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[KyLady]

It was really interesting to read in the court minutes Nurmi's revolving chair between 1st and 2nd chair. It starts way back when the very first two public defenders both jumped ship, before Victoria Washington even.

Do you know where I might find these documents? Please and Thank you!!

 

[Softail]

Who was the guy that was asked to leave the court room 2-3 weeks ago?

Dave Hall? :waitasec: He was a friend of Travis, who knew he didn't own a gun. When they went shooting, Travis always borrowed a gun.

 

[pinkie60]

Just jumping off of your post.

How close was JA to her mom in the couple years before her arrest? Had Travis ever met her parents?

if travis met her family was a juror question and i can't remember the answer! she said another time her childhood was ideal up to age 7, but didn't say anymore as to how it changed. that would be one question i'd like to ask her. her dad was married before and had a dtr from that marriage. i'd like to know the family dynamics as to why they aren't close but yet she claims there is an unconditional love. i'd like to hear her mothers story about how she was as a child. one of her teachers describe her as being more mature than other students, always impecible perfect in appearance and wholesome, the kind you would like your son to date.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I'm convinced Jodi drinks water the way she does because of an arm injury during the murder. I've never seen someone drink like that.

Good catch! She did manage to add in an extra invisible injury from June 4th - her shoulder hurts.

 

[kaRN]

Who was the guy that was asked to leave the court room 2-3 weeks ago?

I think his name is Dave Hall but I could be wrong. It's a friend of TA's who shot a video of he and TA shooting at targets. He also says TA never owned a gun and always borrowed his to go shooting. He's been on NG before talking about that. He's an NRA member.

 

[JayB12]

I'm "one of those people," too -- the grammar and spelling in the video were distracting.

Me too, but again...I filtered out the nonsense comments the guy baked in as well.

If I take the time to do a video like that, I would surely confirm my grammar and spelling...especially if I was intending to trash someone along the way.

Who is the dummy now?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I don't believe they found video but I'm not positive. But this leads me to believe there are more pictures that haven't been introduced into evidence. and I do recall Juan talking (I think it was during opening statement) about a picture were Travis was "obviously 'excited'" which leads me to believe his 'thing' was "tumescent" (hahahaha). Anyway, I haven't seen a picture like that either.

You know, I have never seen opening statements. Are they on video? I thought they were only transcribed somewhere. TIA

 

[G&AMom]

Honestly, I was amazed at how he knew exactly what to do with this personality. It is something I have learned as a "therapeutic parent" and was literally delighted that he understood how he needed to handle her.

Respectfully snipped by me.

MA, he may have read something like this:

http://pathwhisperer.wordpress.com/...earch-today-how-to-cross-examine-a-sociopath/

Somebody else posted this awhile back. It's fascinating reading. Be sure and read the comments, too.

 

[SunDawnn]

Rental car + gas cans + hair color + license plates + "stolen" gun = premeditation

Add to that the fact she probably gave him an ultimatum regarding the trip with the other woman and it was go time for the psychotic slug.

I can't imagine the verdict going any other way!
She is so guilty she might as well be planning her last supper over this long extended weekend!

By the way, why isn't there court Monday or Tuesday? Although it's my 54th birthday Tuesday (March 12th), I doubt the entire nation is celebrating. But then again maybe I underestimated my country (smile)

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Me too, but again...I filtered out the nonsense comments the guy baked in as well.

If I take the time to do a video like that, I would surely confirm my grammar and spelling...especially if I was intending to trash someone along the way.

Who is the dummy now?

I agree...but it could be someone from WS that made the video? I don't know that, just sayin...

So, I guess we all make mistakes sometimes. Me, rarely, but sometimes!!!

 

[Shelby1]

Do you know where I might find these documents? Please and Thank you!!

This might be what you're looking for

http://www./show/l8bs75

 

[JayB12]

Do you know where I might find these documents? Please and Thank you!!

I've been meaning to ask you, KYLady...

With all this talk of KY Jelly and anal sex, have you contemplated changing your screen name?

Of course, I believe it to stand for KentuckYLady.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Did the car rental guy or DB say what color Jodi's hair was? Ryan said it was blonde, right?

I'm working on a theory that maybe those sex photos weren't even taken that day. It is really bothering me that Travis has hairy legs in the shower, and hairless legs in the photos.

BBM: I have been thinking the same thing !

But I have not expressed my "theory" -- FWIW LOL -- because I do NOT know anything about cameras or those "thingies" that you put in the camera where the pics are saved on ...

Anyway ... I have looked at the photos from Travis' camera that were shown in court of him in the shower, and those "other" photos uke: ... but there is just "something" about some of those pics that do not look right to me ... and like I said, I know ZERO about cameras and photography :waitasec: unlike the "expert photographer" who is on trial [insert sarcasm here about "expert"] ...

I will have to look at those photos again ... ? "hairless legs" :waitasec:

:seeya:

 

[Linda From New York]

Casey never pleaded guilty. That is what makes this, JA, a totally different than the CA case.

Jose was able to put an element of doubt into the minds of the jurors. He did with me anyway. I am not so convinced George wasn't involved. Why wouldn't that family take a polygraph test?

Hell, if I knew someone was innocent (like Casey parents proclaimed she was then....) I would unearth my dead grandmother to prove my case.
Something was and still is, very strange about the dynamics of the Anthony family.

But keeping this on topic, Jodi admits to the killing of her prey..... so she is automatically in a different category than OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony!

I DID say I was NOT comparing this case & trial to the CA trial!

 

[Davia18]

Respectfully snipped for space.

Again, such an insightful post with great information I would never have thought of on my own. You are such an asset to WS.

BBM: And to the world !!!!!! Thank You Thank You

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Honestly, I was amazed at how he knew exactly what to do with this personality. It is something I have learned as a "therapeutic parent" and was literally delighted that he understood how he needed to handle her. Here are some examples:

1. Non-sense lying is for control. JA has no respect for anyone but herself. She is smarter than anyone. To keep control, she lies even when it does not benefit her. Not only that, but it is a "test" to see if those interacting with her are smart enough to catch it. If they don't catch her, she sees them as worthless and stupid. If they do catch her and hold her accountable, they gain her respect (even though she still feels brighter). JM showed her right at the outset that he could catch her on EVERY SINGLE lie and that he could prove it. He gained her respect - that's why she looked like she enjoyed it. She finally met a worthy opponent, not just another person who feel for her stuff. Without talking bad about Nurmi, he has obviously fallen for her stuff and has not taken her to task. She does not respect him. If you notice, she tests him all the time by controlling their direct and he lets her do it. Even when he tries to give her answers, she won't always take them. Control, even when it doesn't help her. Nurmi has failed her test. Honestly, I believe she has felt "safer" with JM because he earned her respect, as opposed to Nurmi who has not earned her respect and does not have leadership with her. It literally must be scary for someone like her to be in Nurmi's hands when he has failed her tests. (And, just to clarify, as her own attorney, he did not catch the gas can stuff, he failed to see the margins of the magazines - she has gotten the best of him many times on things he could have helped her on but she didn't trust him).

2. Authority. Once JM establishes control - which is essential - he must keep it. Notice that he constantly says to her, "Mam, did I ask you if you....." when she adds to questions. He is jerking the choke chain, letting her know he is still in control and she is out of line. She bulks back at him a few times, but eventually she does submit.

3. Follow through. JM also taught her from the outset that he will never bluff. Lots of attorneys bluff or hint at evidence that may or may not come in. But, every single time she has lied and he has caught her, he has followed it through ALL THE WAY until the bitter end. In every case, she has not gotten out of it without having to face that she was caught. While this irritated some people, especially when the point was useless, it was essential with her personality that he prove his worthiness to her. One of the reasons he was able to crack her was that she now is somewhat afraid of playing the same antics (not that she won't) because she knows he will prove whatever he brings up. As a result, she is giving up much sooner than in the beginning. Notice that in the interviews with Detective Flores, even when he had actual pictures, she would say "That looks like me. How can that be?" Even photo proof didn't stop the lies. Now, JM has shown her that he will prove each and every detail and it takes the fun out of trying to lie and control him.

4. He never got flustered. As a parent, this is one thing we learn right away. To have calm control. The moment we get angry or hostile or snooty, the child has "won" in their war of control. If they can control your emotions, often that is what makes them feel powerful - it often has nothing to do with the actual outcome of events. Controlling you and your emotions is sufficient to make them feel safe and in charge (also unteachable). By remaining calm, even though animated and sometimes aggressive, he never gave her the feeling of control. Even when he had to follow endless stupid rabbit trails that outsiders thought made him look like a fool, he maintained composure and saw it to the bitter end. That is critical.

In sum, I have honestly wondered who trained him and how he had the faith to do that right. It is very hard and I am sure he had to feel stupid chasing those leads all the way to the end. But, he taught her to respect him. He taught her that he had control. And, every time she is out of line, he jerks her chain again and she often submits. I think it has been brilliant and I am just glad the jury could see it.

Just want to say - as a therapeutic parent - I often have to handle lying and violence with the same calm and be willing to calmly go through lies until we get to the truth. BUT, as parents, we are also therapeutic and giving love because our goal is to change the outcome. So, I don't want anyone to read this and think that we, as parents, need to "jerk our child's chain" as JM has done with JA. He is obviously not trying to therapeutically parent -grin! He is going for pure control and I am amazed at how well he has done it.

Mormon Attorney, I am forever way behind reading the posts, but I have to bump this comment as it is one of the best in terms of how Juan Martinez is handling her. I hope that others understand the difficult job you do and respect your input. It has been invaluable to me.

As a secondary teacher for many years, I met a few teens who suffered from attachment disorder plus some of the other included problems they also have. However, my experience started over 40 years ago and it had no name then.

Years and years into my career, I read about attachment disorder and a whole new world opened up to me. I recognized young adults who had passed through my classrooms and I finally got a glimpse into the world they inhabit. Mind you, I'm sure I only saw those who managed to get to high school. Many others were never to make it that far.

I had personal experiences with a child a friend adopted from a Romanian orphanage. He was 2 years old and looked like an angel. However, he raged and struck out at his adoptive parents. As he grew, he became just as you have described.

The fact is, the infants and young children had grown up in isolation and without love. They were swaddled at birth and only handled to be fed and changed. They lay in iron cots wall-to-wall all day long. Nobody hugged them, nobody interacted with them other than to do what was absolutely necessary. They never developed a bond with another human being from the first day of their lives.

That the emotional equivalent happens to children here breaks my heart.

Whatever happened with Jodi to make her the way she is, I have to wonder if her family ever sought help for her. She didn't emerge as she has overnight. Perhaps, as many people do, they just considered her a difficult, rebellious child.

Bless you and your families.