Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[inspector rex]

On the something that has been bugging me thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-bugging-me-(WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT)/page19 there's been a long and at times heated discussion about RDI's belief in PRIOR SEXUAL ASSAULT.

While I'm sure many will continue to believe, because without this motivation, the Ramseys had no reason to murder their own daughter, therefore to entertain a doubt about prior sexual assault will require a total re-think of their theory. Still, I think by presenting another option and challenging the evidence RDI hold to confirm their theory, some people who have not yet made up their minds might be motivated to consider alternatives.

I believe the next issue is the Ransom Note. Whether IDI or RDI it doesn't seem to make any sense.

RDI supporters say that the Ramseys (if IDI) were responsible for their daughter's death as they did not comply with the demands of the ransom note not to tell anyone.
However, as we know, JonBenet was already dead when they made the 911 call and had been dead for some hours.
So, while it doesn't make any sense for them to have written the RN telling themselves not to call LE, then immediately doing so when they could have well delayed for several hours, nor does it make sense for an Intruder to kill the child before the parents had read the ransom note.
If there was a change of plans, why not take the note with him?
Why take the risk of the handwriting being traced back?

 

[Muy Curioso]

Becouse there was the possibility that they not call the police and pay the ransom.

 

[icedtea4me]

On the something that has been bugging me thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-bugging-me-(WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT)/page19 there's been a long and at times heated discussion about RDI's belief in PRIOR SEXUAL ASSAULT.

While I'm sure many will continue to believe, because without this motivation, the Ramseys had no reason to murder their own daughter, therefore to entertain a doubt about prior sexual assault will require a total re-think of their theory. Still, I think by presenting another option and challenging the evidence RDI hold to confirm their theory, some people who have not yet made up their minds might be motivated to consider alternatives.

I believe the next issue is the Ransom Note. Whether IDI or RDI it doesn't seem to make any sense.

RDI supporters say that the Ramseys (if IDI) were responsible for their daughter's death as they did not comply with the demands of the ransom note not to tell anyone.
However, as we know, JonBenet was already dead when they made the 911 call and had been dead for some hours.
So, while it doesn't make any sense for them to have written the RN telling themselves not to call LE, then immediately doing so when they could have well delayed for several hours, nor does it make sense for an Intruder to kill the child before the parents had read the ransom note.
If there was a change of plans, why not take the note with him?
Why take the risk of the handwriting being traced back?

1. The note isn't going to make any sense if you read it with the left side, concrete, literal side of your brain.
2. I translate the line that begins "Speaking to anyone about your situation..." as "We couldn't talk to anyone about our situation (i.e. the events preceding the blow to the head), so JonBenet had to be beheaded/strangled."

 

[inspector rex]

1. The note isn't going to make any sense if you read it with the left side, concrete, literal side of your brain.
2. I translate the line that begins "Speaking to anyone about your situation..." as "We couldn't talk to anyone about our situation (i.e. the events preceding the blow to the head), so JonBenet had to be beheaded/strangled."

So, how do you translate the opening statement?

"Listen Carefully!! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction"

 

[inspector rex]

Becouse there was the possibility that they not call the police and pay the ransom.

I guess, but as we saw, that didn't happen. So if Officer French had found the body in his original search, the 'kidnap' would have been over before it began.
I often wondered why, (RDI or IDI notwithstanding) that more attempt had not been made to hide the body.
There was plenty of space under the house where she could have been hidden and it could have taken days to find her.
Firstly, if IDI, the ransom could have been paid.
If RDI, the Kidnap/Ransom would have seemed more genuine.

 

[ElleElle]

I guess, but as we saw, that didn't happen. So if Officer French had found the body in his original search, the 'kidnap' would have been over before it began.
I often wondered why, (RDI or IDI notwithstanding) that more attempt had not been made to hide the body.
There was plenty of space under the house where she could have been hidden and it could have taken days to find her.
Firstly, if IDI, the ransom could have been paid.
If RDI, the Kidnap/Ransom would have seemed more genuine.

BBM ~ Patsy started to read the RN, went into a panic (fake or real), then called 911 knowing her daughter was missing?

 

[inspector rex]

BBM ~ Patsy started to read the RN, went into a panic (fake or real), then called 911 knowing her daughter was missing?

Yes, I think so too.
For her, the RN was the found first.
Then she went to JonBenet's room and found her missing.

If it had happened the other way around, she would have looked through the house for her, then found the RN.

So it was a matter of when she got to the part where the RN said "We have your daughter", she immediately ran upstairs to see if JonBenet was in her bed.
When she wasn't there, she panicked and called 911.

Might the person who wrote the RN have expected her to go to the children's rooms first and on finding her daughter missing, start a search where she would have found the RN on the stairs in plain view?

 

[icedtea4me]

So, how do you translate the opening statement?

"Listen Carefully!! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction"

If Patsy did lash out at JonBenet and deliver the head blow then, deep down, she would have a need to confess. This is the theory of Dr. Hodges, the author of A Mother Gone Bad. She would want to speak for (i.e. represent) JonBenet, the small foreign faction. Why small foreign faction? JonBenet was small and her name was foreign-sounding. Also, the word faction as its written looks more like factim, a blend of fact and victim. Additionally, small foreign faction would also represent the stage 4 (note the ll in small is written to resemble an open-topped numeral 4) ovarian cancer which nearly killed Patsy as it starts out small, is foreign to the body, and causes chaos like a faction would to a civilized land.

 

[inspector rex]

If Patsy did lash out at JonBenet and deliver the head blow then, deep down, she would have a need to confess. This is the theory of Dr. Hodges, the author of A Mother Gone Bad. She would want to speak for (i.e. represent) JonBenet, the small foreign faction. Why small foreign faction? JonBenet was small and her name was foreign-sounding. Also, the word faction as its written looks more like factim, a blend of fact and victim. Additionally, small foreign faction would also represent the stage 4 (note the ll in small is written to resemble an open-topped numeral 4) ovarian cancer which nearly killed Patsy as it starts out small, is foreign to the body, and causes chaos like a faction would to a civilized land.

An interesting interpretation, but a little fanciful, I think.

Dr Hodges has obviously given it a great deal of thought. :thinking:

Perhaps we should move this discussion to the Ransom Note Analysis thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?49860-Ransom-note-analysis

Narvinye Post #289 has made an interesting analysis of the elements of the RN.

 

[icedtea4me]

An interesting interpretation, but a little fanciful, I think.

Dr Hodges has obviously given it a great deal of thought. :thinking:

Perhaps we should move this discussion to the Ransom Note Analysis thread? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?49860-Ransom-note-analysis

Narvinye Post #289 has made an interesting analysis of the elements of the RN.

It's not just the ransom note that Hodges analyzes. He also focuses on Patsy's pre-murder communications (1995 and 1996 Christmas letters) and John and Patsy's post-murder communications.

 

[Muy Curioso]

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[Tadpole12]

By the way, look at dollar symbols.

Heyya Muy Curioso,

What about them?
that within the variation they become 'compressed'?

Lástima por la segregación intellectual.

 

[inspector rex]

So, I'm guessing we are permitted to discuss intruder theories on the intruder thread?

Perhaps the owner can clarify?

 

[andreww]

You can discuss intruder theories anywhere provided they are backed with evidence that is fact.


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[Muy Curioso]

You can discuss intruder theories anywhere provided they are backed with evidence that is fact.


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Thanks for your wise counsel. But I find unpleseant the attitude of some members, and I prefer to write only in this thread, hoping (in vain, I am afraid) that they does not bother here.

 

[Muy Curioso]

So, I'm guessing we are permitted to discuss intruder theories on the intruder thread?

Perhaps the owner can clarify?

I am afraid that just what RDI supporters does not consider very annoying. And as some of them are very sensitive, we have to be very careful about what we write.

 

[Muy Curioso]

Heyya Muy Curioso,

What about them?
that within the variation they become 'compressed'?

Lástima por la segregación intellectual.

Four of the five are very poorly written, they are just blots. Only the first is identifiable, but it will not win a prize.

It is the only symbol, number or letter in with such thing happens throughout the letter.

 

[inspector rex]

I am afraid that just what RDI supporters does not consider very annoying. And as some of them are very sensitive, we have to be very careful about what we write.

Yes, this is why I think it is better to be answered by the owner of the site, rather than rely on what RDI posters say.

They want evidence but when you supply it, they don't accept scientific studies, but swear by the Bonita papers as a reliable source.

 

[andreww]

Yes, this is why I think it is better to be answered by the owner of the site, rather than rely on what RDI posters say.

They want evidence but when you supply it, they don't accept scientific studies, but swear by the Bonita papers as a reliable source.

Example?


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[tovarisch]

Example?


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I personally just recently saw the reference from Bonita papers and then hot dispute followed bc nobody knows what is it really is. Quotes from BOOKS constantly included also . I do not mind reading literature if it`s good written (rarely), but I always remember what I was taught in the elementary school that an author has a right to an imagination. .