"We are a group of individuals," has received quite a bit if scrutiny over the years, as well. This just isn't a commonly applied definition, but there is at least one other self-described "group of individuals" known as SBTC:I did not read as offensive, just peculiar phrasing when referencing a group of which one is a part.
Just a reminder that SBTC is not a small foreign faction. SBTC is a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction.
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AK
"We are a group of individuals," has received quite a bit if scrutiny over the years, as well. This just isn't a commonly applied definition, but there is at least one other self-described "group of individuals" known as SBTC:
"Friends of Sun Behind The Cloud Publications
Supporting SBTC's aims and guiding its future...
The Friends of SBTC are a group of individuals and organisations who support SBTV aims and provide help and guidance on religious issues as well as issues of importance in publishing. They read the books prior to publication and are regularly consulted for advice."
Bizarre. Eh, to each their own...
Source:
http://www.sunbehindthecloud.com/about.html
Okay. I think I understand what youre saying.
However if english was the authors first language, or dominant language and if he was a member i=of a small foreign faction than he would have written we are a small foreign faction instead of we are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction.
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Okay. I think I understand what youre saying.
However if english was the authors first language, or dominant language and if he was a member i=of a small foreign faction than he would have written we are a small foreign faction instead of we are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction.
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AK
Me too! :scared:AK,
I `ve got what you mean after couple of hours ))of thinking about the word "represent". What is interesting, as a foreigner, I would use this world if discribing myself, and myself only , not as a part of something bigger. And it`s wrong in your point of view, and others, and you all might be right. They, killers should say two time "we are" : we are group of individuals and we are small foregin faction. But I don`t want to say two times I am, I want to look smart, look here:
I am tovarisch and I represent crazy housewife who seats at the screen at the night time and thinks about little american girl , killed in 1996. ( husband does not know).
Please, help me to substitute "represent" with a proper word, I could not find any and I do not want to say Iam crazy housewife, and I mean myself only. Thanks in advance.
I think that depends on how long the person was living here as to whether they had proper use of the language. Also I know that some people that come here and want to learn the language and phrases will watch TV or Movies to gather that info so I don't know if you can make a broad statement about it, Only offer your experience.
I don't think it was well planned. I think their original plan was to take her and hold her for ransom, Something went wrong and they killed her in the house instead.
Me too! :scared:
So, we could say, "We are a group of individuals that represent a sizable domestic faction." :giggle:
One can claim to represent any number of groups with which they find commonalities. For example, we represent women, wives, websleuthers, Americans, etc. One may define themselves by the groups to which they belong, but the groups are not nearly defined by the individual.
Does that make sense?...:waitasec:
Off topic but this reminds me of a cute story. Many many years ago I was staying with a German guy and a Pakistani guy as roommates. The Pakistani guy kept trying to push the German guy to apply for a job at his job because he'd been out of work for three months and he was sick of covering his portion of the rent. So after one especially stressful conversation the German guy just went OFF on the Pakistani guy. He leaned across the table and started ranting:
"I don't care what you say anymore this is MY LIFE, go ahead with your own life and leave me alone."
Turns out he was a huge fan of Bosom Buddies in Germany and Billy Joel's My Life was the theme song.
The Pakistani guy didn't catch it but I just started giggling like a mad woman which only made him more upset. The poor guy. I still chuckle when I think about it. :floorlaugh:
I want to thank all people on this treads for welcoming me.
I need to clarify about foreign faction in my theory. They were not registered political group of terrorists, ther were young people, students, self-organized and proclaiming they were foreign faction in their sick heads, who had different ideals and culture, including religious ideals. They had not respected the country ( they said so) and rich American Christians for their controversial style of life, like Ramseys, church going every Sunday, but living far from modest life, including pageants. That`s what Tsarnev terrorist said after he`s been caught and asked why they killed innocent people- he said -we hate the country and the people for their life style. Tsarnaev`s brothers, young students and athletes themselves, killed 10 y.o. boy and wounded innocent people at marathon, it was big sport event, it supposed to be joyful sport event, holiday for the whole city of Boston.
Thats` just my theory but I stick to it. For many years I thought killers were underpaid construction workers. I changed my opinion to the young terrorists ( self-proclaimed). No other explanation for killing a child on Christmas day for neither sexual assault, nor for money. It was not about money, my personal opinion. The note was staged for kidnapping to win the time. The crime scene in the wine cellar was not staged, it was what it was- brutal killing and torture.
Interesting discussion.
I work as a verbal tutor, and now that I look at it from this perspective, there are things about it that are indicative of someone who is not a native English speaker. There's some awkward grammar and phrasing, but not the type I usually see from native English speakers who struggle with writing. It sounds like someone who is confident that he or she sounds intelligent and sophisticated. Then there's some weird words/phrases that sound out of place as though maybe they were taken from a book or movie - "fat cat", "attache" and "faction" is a strange group of words to use together in this context. It sounds like people I have worked with who are not native English speakers but are very educated and intelligent - they know a lot of precise words that most native speakers don't use, and then will throw in some weird colloquialisms and awkward phrasing.
"Group of individuals" is something I constantly see teens write. They think it sounds fancy and use way too many words to say everything.
That's an interesting observation. I also work with non native speakers of English and I know exactly what you mean. They often write many words to try to "sound smart" I often tell them, rule of thumb, don't use a $5 word when a 25 cent word would do.
But beyond that, I don't see this letter as being written by a non native speaker of English overall, but I do see sections where it would seem so.
I agree with you about the views of the offender. He wrote what he knew in the ransom note. I can't completely rule out a sexual motivation, though, because, well, she WAS sexually assaulted. Even the most ruthless of killers will often blanch at the thought of sexually assaulting a child.