Is Casey A Skillful Liar?

[Melanie]

Listening to her lie on the fly in her taped interviews, it amazes me that she can remember and keep them straight.

Me too - then I remember Scott Peterson and his lies (oh I'm in Paris dahling, can you hear the crowd? When really he's at his dead wife's vigil).

Joran Van-der-sloot, another liar. Lied so well he conned many out of thousands and thousands of dollars.

IMHO - I really think she believes what she says. Like she is some imaginary world that the rest of us can't see or understand.

When I look up the word psychopath, I see all of the traits in the inmate:

A person with a personality disorder indicated by

a pattern of lying - check (refer to interview with Yuri at her home)
exploitativeness - check (refer to money stolen)
heedlessness - check (see lack of attentiveness to Caylee Marie)
arrogance - check (look at her at the defense table)
sexual promiscuity - check (how many partners? Who's the baby daddy?)
low self-control - check (see 31 days)
lack of empathy and remorse - check (she killed her baby and is still smiling)

So we're dealing with someone here who is not of the same reality as ours. She is a psychopath!!!

MOO

Mel

 

[Sleuth5]

BBM- and the DT OS theory has all of her hallmarks in it- the SA will disprove the RK, GA/LA abuse ANd GA's involvement and it will all fall apart. It's almost like she thinks people will go along with her because of her narcissism. She does think she is smarter than everyone else, thus these lies make her look unintelligent because she of these expectations. It has many hallmarks of sociopathy.

All quite true! I have said it before here elsewhere -- if she is not a sociopath, She certainly does an excellent impression of one.

:cow:

 

[12skipafew99100]

As others have said, I think she is a skillful liar to her family, but not to other people. I actually was friends with someone like this growing up. She lied and treated her parents like carp, but they still loved her and gave in to everything she wanted. She never had to take responsibility for anything. I think this is how Casey was raised, spoiled and gotten away with everything and she still thinks she can.

 

[feddup]

I think that's exactly why the talking heads call her skillful. Yeah, those taped conversations and interviews are actually what drew me into the case--I couldn't believe how she came up with such believable details to bolster what were, on the whole, unbelievable lies. I mean, you tell someone a nanny took your kid but you don't know her phone number? That's unbelievable. You tell them the nanny is 5'2", 140 pounds, doesn't have a tattoo because you've seen her in a swimsuit, changed her name when her mother remarried, and lent you her hair straightener? (And all the other details I can't remember . . .) Well, I think it takes some skill to come up with that level of detail on the fly.

I mean, obviously the big lie itself wasn't a great one; of course the police dispelled it quickly. But if I knew Casey or was related to her, I'd probably find it hard to believe she'd made all this stuff up, too. Actually, I know I would--I'd be thinking, "well, it looks like Casey doesn't have a job, but she just spent an hour telling me what she did today, what the receptionist was wearing, and what her coworker was talking about in the break room. There's no way she's lying!" I may be gullible, though.

She even went into what kind of car the "nanny" drove. Im not good at lying and I wouldve caved in right away surrounded with cops LOL
NOT Casey though, she just carries on.
And...then when caught, sitting in JAIL, her parents call and she actually yells at them? Id be very nice begging to GET OUT of there. She's a piece of work alright.

 

[ontariolynn13]

Listening to her lie on the fly in her taped interviews, it amazes me that she can remember and keep them straight.

Agree, but what really amazed me were all the names of people, and details, hair color etc, that she went into such detail about!! A very vivid imagination!!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Not skilled enough to fit her lies in with known / or soon to be known facts at all IMO .. Good enough to get her lies past people invested in the hope that she's telling the truth (cindy) but not good enough not to be seen as a liar by others ie friends and of course LE. She can come up with stories and twist and turn but has little foresight.

 

[txsvicki]

Casey is very skilled in turning people against each other, and plotting it seems. She has managed to get a couple of gullible people to completely blame Cindy on national tv, and many in the public fell for it. She probably has the most effect on people who want to cast blame on others. She obviously is good at plotting elaborate cover stories for some thefts and her activities, with some that can't be proven and some knowing that people are very busy working and won't check it out thoroughly. The fake phone book with numbers of real friends instead of the workmates is an example. If called, there could be a really good excuse of copying the wrong lines of an old phone book, a mistake. Even though Casey told easily disproven lies to detectives, she knew that she still had the upper hand with no body being found. She went with an old lie, lied about why she lied, deflected attention onto her mother, confessed to some lies and credit card thefts, created confusion in the cops, was quick witted, changed the subject, used anger for a bit, and even thought ahead and quickly answered to what they were going to ask before they got words out of their mouth. That's a pretty skilled liar IMO. Not just a liar but a master manipulator. IMO, the plotting of scenarios got out of hand and she didn't consider that lies to cover up any mistakes made during the crime weren't going to be enough.

 

[sappysoul]

Me too - then I remember Scott Peterson and his lies (oh I'm in Paris dahling, can you hear the crowd? When really he's at his dead wife's vigil).

Joran Van-der-sloot, another liar. Lied so well he conned many out of thousands and thousands of dollars.

IMHO - I really think she believes what she says. Like she is some imaginary world that the rest of us can't see or understand.

When I look up the word psychopath, I see all of the traits in the inmate:

A person with a personality disorder indicated by

a pattern of lying - check (refer to interview with Yuri at her home)
exploitativeness - check (refer to money stolen)
heedlessness - check (see lack of attentiveness to Caylee Marie)
arrogance - check (look at her at the defense table)
sexual promiscuity - check (how many partners? Who's the baby daddy?)
low self-control - check (see 31 days)
lack of empathy and remorse - check (she killed her baby and is still smiling)

So we're dealing with someone here who is not of the same reality as ours. She is a psychopath!!!

MOO

Mel

bbm

I agree 100%. Those 31 days can never be explained by being an abuse victim IMO. Her laughing and having a great time with her friends while her dead child was in the trunk of her car is way beyond disassociation. I'm very interested in hearing from the grief expert if she testifies. I just don't see how she can blame abuse and ignore all the signs of a sociopath. She will quickly become another victim of JA.

 

[Kelroy]

And she would be able to do that without any significant change in her voice or manner. In all fairness to her family and friends, most of us aren't going to continue to push the issue on and on. LE OTOH was looking for a missing child and wasn't going to stop until they found that child. Her stupidity is thinking they would believe her without any proof. In our day-to-day interactions with people we usually don't expect them to prove they were at Starbucks even if we are suspicious of their story.

I agree. Maybe this is a semantic issue; maybe it's not exactly "skillful" lying, but I think it goes well beyond the ordinary. I'm just not sure that only people who cared about her would have believed her lies, or that the people who did believe them were just gullible or something. Like others have said, the level of detail, combined with her persistence, added to what I consider a pretty believable delivery (judging by the jailhouse tapes), equals some amazingly audacious lies. Of course the police, looking for a missing child, would find holes almost immediately--but who can deny the audacity of never backing down from that story until the opening statements of a death penalty trial?!

I'd argue that that's a big reason this case has maintained so much public interest for so long. Who else would refuse to buckle under police questioning, under nationwide searches, under your family's suffering, under the threat of the DP? It's astoundingly audacious.

 

[Bullwinkle]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUcbAvktAMI"]Casey Anthony's fake tears in slow-motion[/ame]

I just found this video on YouTube, and this thread was the best place I could find to share it.

This is an excerpt of her reaction during Baez's opening statement. Notice how she keeps looking at the camera, and more significantly, how she rubs her tissue right into both eyes in an attempt for force them to tear up.

 

[Just Jayla]

Casey Anthony's fake tears in slow-motion

I just found this video on YouTube, and this thread was the best place I could find to share it.

This is an excerpt of her reaction during Baez's opening statement. Notice how she keeps looking at the camera, and more significantly, how she rubs her tissue right into both eyes in an attempt for force them to tear up.

Okay that's just creepy. Not the acting, her.

 

[Just Jayla]

I would say she's an average pathological liar. She's nothing special, even though she'd like you to think she is!

My dog is a better liar. Whenever he purposefully gets into something he shouldn't, he gives me those flattened ears, the lowered head, and the darting eyes, as if to say "please don't punish me, I'm sorry and I'll never do it again!"
I always give him a pass and he always does it again. He fools me every time.
I have always thought Casey Anthony was a liar and that she killed Caylee, from the first time I heard 31 days. Her eyes don't do it for me.

 

[concentric]

Casey was a pathological liar, but not an intelligent person at all, IMHO. She was only effective at lying to those that didn't challenge her lies or knew that she was lying but never directly CONFRONTED her about her lies. This would apply to her family, her ever changing friends and random co-workers. She used Caylee as a pawn with her parents, so they didn't put her a&$ in check when they should have because they were afraid she would take Caylee and leave their household.

But the minute that she came up against those light years smarter than she was, (LE) it was as apparent as the sun in the sky that she was just a liar. A pitiful, defiant, narcissitic, dumb and scheming liar. There was nothing special about her as a liar. Just a run of the mill, now murdering liar. Plain and simple.

Do you think it dawns on her now at any time while sitting in that courtroom that she is at the end of the road? Or do you think she still believes that she will be set free?

 

[sherryk]

a skillful liar to those who made the choice to believe her.. especially parents.. a lie becomes a habit.. out of self serving of one's self.

She may of outsmarted mom and dad.. friends who had no real reason to take much thought into some of her previous lies.. young friends who listen to the party dates, fun times and may supect some lies though out friendships.. but not to the extent to really give it serious thought.

when the S*** hit the fan... detectives.. she tried to lie and outsmart but was no match for them.. caught in lies and no way out.. even continued to lie.. now with JA and the state they are a little smarter than the average 22 year old friends.. so is the jury i suspect.. actions speak louder than words .. even past convincing lies.

She is in way over her head.. she knows it.. but she is willing to take down her flesh and blood she has left.. mom, dad, brother and with such hate and willful horrible intensions.. as to say.. i go down.. you will live the rest of your life in misery also.

Shame on her.. I dont blame parents for buying into lies through out life.. a parent want to believe their child.. however I feel they let her get aways with being a spoiled brat.. and perhaps wanted her to stay close to home after Caylee was born becasue they knew that in the back of their mind she was not a good mother...

Casey is not troubled young lady she is a girl who thought of herself and herself only.. over not only her parents and friends but over that little girl she brought into the world and she took her out also... i feel that Casey thought is was her right to do so... never looked back and only looked foward to the beautful life..

behind bars that tattoo needs to be changes to betrayed my daughters beautiful life.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO but I didn't get the impression that she outsmarted her parents, at least all of the time, and that they didn't know she was a habitual liar. They might not always have confronted her because it was easier to let it slide than to cause a row, and they might not have told the police that they thought she was a habitual liar to protect her, but I got the notion from some things that were said that this wasn't the first time Casey had lied to them and they knew it.

 

[Oakley]

Casey honed her lying skills every time Cindy gave her a pass. With each success, Casey's lies became a little more detailed and harder to catch. On the surface, she is somewhat believable. But once you start to take notice, her lies are pretty lame. JMO

 

[PaperTigers]

I don't know. The way she behaved under severe interrogation from the LE that would make most people crack leads me to think that she does have some inherent skill in lying. Even Yuri Melich said she was very convincing... until of course she was forced into showing them where she supposedly worked. Just the fact that she can behave in a way as if what she spoke was the utter truth. That makes me to think that she could handle being put on the witness stand.

Everyone is convinced of her guilt and detest her for it, there isn't one redeemable quality about her, etc. but to be able to keep a straight face like that... well it takes skill. Whether it was something innate or honed over the years doesn't matter. It's still a skill.

Of course I dont' think she'll take the stand !

 

[Anais]

Do you think it dawns on her now at any time while sitting in that courtroom that she is at the end of the road? Or do you think she still believes that she will be set free?

IMHO ICA doesn't think she is nearing the end of the road. I firmly believe that she fully expects to be acquitted and walk out the door forever never looking back. It is one of the reasons that I believe she will take the stand against her attorney's recommendations. She is a narcissist who thinks that she can get just one more lie/story past these jurors and make it a believable one. IMO ICA thinks she can put on an oscar winning performance and pull the wool over their eyes. It was awesome yesterday when LDB got up and explained about AW and put the DT on notice!

When I heard JB's OS instantly I knew it came straight from ICA's mouth with out a doubt!

 

[Solace]

it's amazing to me that the talking heads, and media in general, continue to refer to casey as a skillful, adept and convincing liar - i just don't get it. casey is a pathological liar, not a skillful liar, big difference. in fact she has to be one of the least capable and clumsiest liars i've ever heard of.

sure, she fooled those that believed in her and cared about her, such as family and friends, but that was easy, the deck was stacked in her favor, love is blind. but the moment she tried a different audience on for size, i.e. law enforcement, when her lying skills were put to the test, she failed miserably, epochly, not even close. heck, her lies were so poorly developed one would think they were the brainchild of a preteen. comical if not so sad.

in fact casey is not only an ineffective, clumsy liar but she is also an ineffective, clumsy crook as evidenced by the manner in which she stole from amy, her grandparents and her parents - thefts that could easily be detected.

what makes casey unique is not that she's adept at lying or stealing, because she's not, not even close, she's actually bad at it. what makes her unique is that she couldn't care less if she gets caught. at worst, getting caught to casey is nothing more than a temporary inconvenience. at best it's something she can talk her way out of, something that will blow over, or something that she might even get away with. sitting at the defense table, cuffed, she still thinks the same. she's in for a rude awakening.

Agree 1000%. Ryan Paisely who was friends with her since pretty much childhood (and who KC stole some 500 from) said everyone knew KC was a liar.

The people on HLN, Dr. Drew and the like have not put out one show yet where some part of their show has been inaccurate and they have one guest who has her guilty and one who takes the other side and inevitably the "innocent" guest says she is a 'skilled' liar.

As soon as LE became involved, they called her on the lies immediately. Just because her family was "willing" to live with a "lie" 24 hours a day, does not mean KC was skilled; it means the family was ignoring the situation. Cindy has to live with that - "if only I"....

I can tell just the way she constantly says "oh absolutely" that she is a dead on liar. You can tell her lies in the jailhouse interview when Cindy asks her if this is Zanny's apartment and KC tries with evasive answers like "yes Zanny had ......- completely ignoring the question and then Cindy tells her she knows who apt it is and KC comes out with the right answer finally. And she covers her face. if she is uncomfortable with the interview, she asks them to "turn the sound up or turn it down" - to give her time to collect and to confuse whoever she is talking to.

So when she is finally found out and confronted on every single lie, she is jail for murder and she is 22 years old. That is what ignoring this situation has done for KC.

 

[GeekyGirl]

I don't know. The way she behaved under severe interrogation from the LE that would make most people crack leads me to think that she does have some inherent skill in lying. Even Yuri Melich said she was very convincing... until of course she was forced into showing them where she supposedly worked. Just the fact that she can behave in a way as if what she spoke was the utter truth. That makes me to think that she could handle being put on the witness stand.

Everyone is convinced of her guilt and detest her for it, there isn't one redeemable quality about her, etc. but to be able to keep a straight face like that... well it takes skill. Whether it was something innate or honed over the years doesn't matter. It's still a skill.

Of course I dont' think she'll take the stand !

I think this is an interesting point. If were assessing her skills based on the content of her lies, then, I'd say no, she's not particularly good at it. they tend to be too elaborate, too detailed, especially when she's forced to come up with them on short notice. But I give her credit (not sure that's exactly the right phrase) for being able to stay calm and manipulate the vunerabilities of people who are not habitual liars. Most people, when confronted with a lie, will get agitated and defensive, or simply break down and tell the truth, but Casey calmly maintains that she is telling the truth, even when the lie is obvious. Because she doesn't act like we expect people to act, it creates a conflict in our brains. Since our brains do not like conflict, we either ignore the fact that they are lying, or worse, sometimes start to doubt ourselves (see gaslighting) or we decide to confront them about their lie. The second option, confrontation, is usually uncomfortable,frustrating and exhausting because the liar is generally not going to back down from their position, most of us only do choose to confront them if the effort outweighs the benefit. In that sense, Casey does have a "skill" MOO