Is there anyone that believes Ross is innocent?

[Hiandmighty]

First line to arrested spouse: Be quiet until the lawyer gets here. No matter what. Because EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. Literally. :laughing:

I don't think LH was saying this to hide a conspiracy. I think she was saying it to remind her husband that they had both a tragedy and a massive legal problem on their hands. Act accordingly, right?

IMO... Absolutely not!

I would think she would say: tell the police EVERYTHING so they can rule you out as a suspect and because our child died in an accident, you have nothing to hide.

They were hiding information and not cooperating from the start. :cow: :moo:

I mean, your child just died and you have the presence of mind to scheme? :moo:

 

[Ghostwheel]

Wait. The married man and father who sexted is merely guilty of being a "schmuck", but the teen, the minor child he engage in this manner is guilty of being nasty? So he is less culpable, why, because he is a man? I mean who cares that he's much older than the child he sent sexts to, right? She's the nasty one. He just a schmuck. Not nasty himself. Not exploitative. Certainly not a murderer. Just a bit foolish?

What the heck is this about?

I'd like to point out that the teen has not been charged. Just poor, sad sack Ross.

You do know what the word "Schmuck" (shmok) means in Yiddish, right? I'd say it was pretty appropriate...

 

[costalpilot]

The title of this thread asks if anyone believes he is innocent. I was therefor addressing the issues that (at least) put his guilt in doubt for me. Why do I need to "make a decision" before the trial. It seems to me that the majority on WB's have made a decision. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have no problem with it.

But I was posing questions that need answering for me before I am convinced of his guilt. Its a personal thing with me. If i am to believe he is guilty of murdering his child, I'm gonna need more than you and the DA are offering.

I'm really not sure what part of that you and the ten "usefuls" find troubling.

WHY do you keep saying people need to convince you? :facepalm:
Read the threads, the linked articles, etc. and make a decision
about jh's guilt or innocence.

This isn't a court of law, no one really needs to convince anyone of anything. :hand:

 

[Ruby]

The title of this thread asks if anyone believes he is innocent. I was therefor addressing the issues that (at least) put his guilt in doubt for me. Why do I need to "make a decision" before the trial. It seems to me that the majority on WB's have made a decision. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I have no problem with it.

But I was posing questions that need answering for me before I am convinced of his guilt. Its a personal thing with me. If i am to believe he is guilty of murdering his child, I'm gonna need more than you and the DA are offering.

I'm really not sure what part of that you and the ten "usefuls" find troubling.

BBM - ITA.

I'm waiting for the trial, and will decide after the evidence has been presented.
I still have questions that have yet to be answered, so I'm still not 100% sure he did this on purpose.
:dunno: (IDKY) but innocent until proven guilty is not a popular view point, even if that is my opinion.
eace: My opinion and all that jazz.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

BBM - ITA.

I'm waiting for the trial, and will decide after the evidence has been presented.
I still have questions that have yet to be answered, so I'm still not 100% sure he did this on purpose.
:dunno: (IDKY) but innocent until proven guilty is not a popular view point, even if that is my opinion.
eace: My opinion and all that jazz.

I'm with you .. waiting until the trial to see if the state proves it beyond a reasonable doubt, this case has the hallmarks of other cases we have seen where the hype is bigger than the proof, so yes, let's see what they get in front of a jury.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Obviously without the evidence the state has, no one can be sure, but I feel confident that they will prove their case.

 

[RainCheck]

One more thing while I'm thinking it- there are actually real victims of sexual abuse, assault, human trafficking, etc. in this world and they suffer beyond belief. It's not fair to them to say any young girl who sexts or lies about her age to join a dating site is a victim unless someone is forcing her to join in the first place. It doesn't help if we tell kids they aren't accountable for their sexually irresponsible actions because they never learn to own their own sexuality and sense of self.

Sure I feel sorry for the teen sexter and it was harsh to say I hope she feels nasty (so I take it back) but no one forced her to do anything.

Many REAL victims of human child sex trafficking THINK they aren't being forced to do it. However, I think psychologist and law enforcement disagrees. When a teen is listed on Craiglist for sex and grown men respond and use these children for sex they are victims! It doesn't matter if they think they're in love with their pimp or making choices for themselves. I think it's obvious you are really ignorant on this subject. You have no idea what the history of these young girls (and boys) may be and the level at which they have been victimized through their lives to condition them to act in this manner. An adult has a responsibility to protect children, and a 16 or 17 year old is still a child, the adults who instead take advantage of these children are the only ones who should be blamed in these situations. Your idea that children being used by adult predators should be held accountable for their "sexually irresponsible actions" make me a little sick to my stomach.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm with you .. waiting until the trial to see if the state proves it beyond a reasonable doubt, this case has the hallmarks of other cases we have seen where the hype is bigger than the proof, so yes, let's see what they get in front of a jury.

This is where I am. I want to see it all laid out because there have already been things reported that are were not true. I want to wait and see what the evidence holds.

 

[TeaTime]

I do not understand how anyone thinks that this man intentionally left his precious baby boy in the car to die of heat stroke. Apparently, it was unusual for him to take the baby to day care but he had an otherwise pretty normal routine of stopping at Chik-Fil-A before going to work. I suggest that after he got in the car, he was on auto-pilot and drove to work like any other day. There were lots of things on his mind such as sexting to these women and his occupied mind forgot about the baby. Yes, that is disgusting for a married man but it is a reason why his mind was elsewhere after CFA.

I will suggest that he is one of those people who are oblivious to anything except what is going on in their own head at any time and he probably forgets/overlooks lots of things that most people would not. This is why I think the mom immediately thought 'he left him in the car' because he is absent minded.

I have driven all over this country and Canada but once was so into the view, the conversation and the music that after a rest room stop, I drove 180 miles in the wrong direction before realizing it. (no one else noticed either) I left my wallet at a store and didn't notice until about midnight. I wore 2 different shoes to work. I've left the windows down in my car and my house keys in the door overnight.

Sure, this is different, it is a baby and we all hope we wouldn't forget one in the back seat but this wasn't his routine.

Many years ago a man drove to his business to drop off payroll checks to his employees. His sleeping baby was in the back seat. Problems at the business took his attention for way too long and then suddenly he screamed and ran outside. His baby was dead. It was unusual for him to have the baby with him during the morning, but his wife had an appointment with her doctor so this tragic day he had the baby. There was no intent. He was a fabulous husband and father of 5 other kids, he just got caught up in the moment and time passed quickly. It was a sad event and not one person ever thought he intentionally killed his baby.

In both cases it is not like the man knowingly left the baby in the car because he wanted to gamble at the casino and didn't have a babysitter. Accidents happen. Was Harris negligent? Sure, but there was no intent.

JMHO

 

[SuzDuJour]

1. Ross drove Coooper to daycare routinely every morning, he and the mom took turns picking him up after work.
2. Ross googled how hot a car would have to be, and how long it would take for the heat to kill a child.
3. Ross had two insurance policies on Cooper
4. It was a 30-40 second drive from the Chick-fil-A to the daycare.
5. Cooper's head was a foot away from Ross's head the way the car seat was configured in the car.
6. Ross would've smelled the death smell when he entered the car at lunch.
7. Ross would've smelled the death smell when he entered the car after work.
8. Ross cancelled a movie with his friends before he would've known Cooper had died.
9. Ross chose a parking space where passers by wouldn't notice a screaming child.
That's what makes think he intentionally left Cooper in the car. And I believe LE feels the same way...

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/07/03/justin-ross-harris-cooper-toddler-hot-car-death-live-blog

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I do not understand how anyone thinks that this man intentionally left his precious baby boy in the car to die of heat stroke. Apparently, it was unusual for him to take the baby to day care but he had an otherwise pretty normal routine of stopping at Chik-Fil-A before going to work. I suggest that after he got in the car, he was on auto-pilot and drove to work like any other day. There were lots of things on his mind such as sexting to these women and his occupied mind forgot about the baby. Yes, that is disgusting for a married man but it is a reason why his mind was elsewhere after CFA.

I will suggest that he is one of those people who are oblivious to anything except what is going on in their own head at any time and he probably forgets/overlooks lots of things that most people would not. This is why I think the mom immediately thought 'he left him in the car' because he is absent minded.

I have driven all over this country and Canada but once was so into the view, the conversation and the music that after a rest room stop, I drove 180 miles in the wrong direction before realizing it. (no one else noticed either) I left my wallet at a store and didn't notice until about midnight. I wore 2 different shoes to work. I've left the windows down in my car and my house keys in the door overnight.

Sure, this is different, it is a baby and we all hope we wouldn't forget one in the back seat but this wasn't his routine.

Many years ago a man drove to his business to drop off payroll checks to his employees. His sleeping baby was in the back seat. Problems at the business took his attention for way too long and then suddenly he screamed and ran outside. His baby was dead. It was unusual for him to have the baby with him during the morning, but his wife had an appointment with her doctor so this tragic day he had the baby. There was no intent. He was a fabulous husband and father of 5 other kids, he just got caught up in the moment and time passed quickly. It was a sad event and not one person ever thought he intentionally killed his baby.

In both cases it is not like the man knowingly left the baby in the car because he wanted to gamble at the casino and didn't have a babysitter. Accidents happen. Was Harris negligent? Sure, but there was no intent.

JMHO

It wasn't unusual for him to take Cooper to daycare, he did it every day. He only occasionally stopped for food a Chik Fil A.

This WAS his routine and he most likely DID do this on purpose. I have sympathy and believe other stories of hot car accidents, but not this one.

 

[Cailin Rua]

I do not understand how anyone thinks that this man intentionally left his precious baby boy in the car to die of heat stroke. snipped

JMHO

People murder their "precious children" with distressing frequency.

 

[popsicle]

New filing from the state on their evidence.

http://ctsearch.cobbsuperiorcourtcl...esFile=4&currPage=1&cfn=20160014211&blocked=N

 

[U2forever]

Ross innocent of what, eating breakfast at Chick-fil-la or buying light bulbs?

 

[U2forever]

I have driven all over this country and Canada but once was so into the view, the conversation and the music that after a rest room stop, I drove 180 miles in the wrong direction before realizing it. (no one else noticed either) I left my wallet at a store and didn't notice until about midnight. I wore 2 different shoes to work. I've left the windows down in my car and my house keys in the door overnight.

Snipped for space

TeaTime, with all due respect, this is not a baby, a dead baby in the back seat of a parents car. Being absent minded is one thing, leaving your young child in the back seat of a hot car in the middle of summer in the south is another. I call it murder in the first.

BTW, two different shoes, LOL. My hubby did that once.

 

[SuzDuJour]

Is the trial scheduled for March?

 

[Inthedetails]

I do not understand how anyone thinks that this man intentionally left his precious baby boy in the car to die of heat stroke. Apparently, it was unusual for him to take the baby to day care but he had an otherwise pretty normal routine of stopping at Chik-Fil-A before going to work. I suggest that after he got in the car, he was on auto-pilot and drove to work like any other day. There were lots of things on his mind such as sexting to these women and his occupied mind forgot about the baby. Yes, that is disgusting for a married man but it is a reason why his mind was elsewhere after CFA.

I will suggest that he is one of those people who are oblivious to anything except what is going on in their own head at any time and he probably forgets/overlooks lots of things that most people would not. This is why I think the mom immediately thought 'he left him in the car' because he is absent minded.

I have driven all over this country and Canada but once was so into the view, the conversation and the music that after a rest room stop, I drove 180 miles in the wrong direction before realizing it. (no one else noticed either) I left my wallet at a store and didn't notice until about midnight. I wore 2 different shoes to work. I've left the windows down in my car and my house keys in the door overnight.

Sure, this is different, it is a baby and we all hope we wouldn't forget one in the back seat but this wasn't his routine.

Many years ago a man drove to his business to drop off payroll checks to his employees. His sleeping baby was in the back seat. Problems at the business took his attention for way too long and then suddenly he screamed and ran outside. His baby was dead. It was unusual for him to have the baby with him during the morning, but his wife had an appointment with her doctor so this tragic day he had the baby. There was no intent. He was a fabulous husband and father of 5 other kids, he just got caught up in the moment and time passed quickly. It was a sad event and not one person ever thought he intentionally killed his baby.

In both cases it is not like the man knowingly left the baby in the car because he wanted to gamble at the casino and didn't have a babysitter. Accidents happen. Was Harris negligent? Sure, but there was no intent.

JMHO

He tossed a package of light bulbs into the car during lunch break. I have a hard time believing he didn't notice his child then. I also have a hard time believing that at the end of the day, he didn't notice or smell his dead child in the back of the car immediately upon opening the car door and getting inside. That is simply unbelievable.

I do, however, have an inkling of doubt that he did this on purpose. I think he might have been absent minded after breakfast, but when he remembered during the day, he then went into "cover up" mode instead fessing up. I just can't accept that he didn't know what he had done after the light-bulb toss at lunchtime.

JMOpinion

 

[Zuri]

New filing from the state on their evidence.

http://ctsearch.cobbsuperiorcourtcl...esFile=4&currPage=1&cfn=20160014211&blocked=N

The strength of this evidence will either help him or put him away IMO. For Cooper's sake/memory, I really hope his dad is not what he seems...

 

[Threeplus1]

Having seen the reenactment showing the (extremely short) drive from Chick fil a to his office, knowing that he had just put that precious child into his carseat after having spent one-on-one time at the restaurant with him, there is no way possible that he forgot that child. It wasn't a 30 minute drive, it wasn't out of the ordinary. If I were on the jury, I would not even need the sexting and infidelity/marriage issues to convict this guy. Guilty.

 

[popsicle]

I haven't had a chance to follow court today but catching a few tweets... these just recent ones caught my attention:

Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 31m31 minutes ago
ADA Boring "actions speak a lot louder than words" - that #JustinRossHarris words of affection for Cooper were pickup lines to young girls




Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 30m30 minutes ago
"I love my son and all but we both need escapes-10 minutes before" leaving Cooper in the car #JustinRossHarris #hotcardeath




Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 28m28 minutes ago
#JustinRossHarris sent pictures of his anatomy while supposedly enjoying Braves game with Cooper in #hotcardeath case




Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 21m21 minutes ago
DA says #JustinRossHarris claimed to police he had a good marriage - evidence to the contrary is relevant in #hotcardeath case


Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 12m12 minutes ago
DA says #JustinRossHarris involved in acts of prostitution in days prior to #hotcardeath of Cooper Harris


Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 9m9 minutes ago
DA: #JustinRossHarris had electronic communication with many more than 6 other women / girls prior to #hotcardeath - told some he loved them


Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 9m9 minutes ago
DA: #JustinRossHarris lied to some women saying he was not married #hotcardeath


Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 7m7 minutes ago
DA: there's an image off melted gummie vitamins on #JustinRossHarris phone #hotcardeath & that he brought guitar inside so it wouldn't warp


Philip A. Holloway ‏@PhilHollowayEsq 4m4 minutes ago
DA: #JustinRossHarris did actual web search on what prison is really like #hotcardeath