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It is just past 5pm (now 6.30pm) in Gaza City and in Tel Aviv. Here is a summary of the latest news:​

  • At least 9,061 people have been killed by Israeli strikes on Gaza since 7 October, including 3,760 children, the health ministry in Gaza has said. It has not been possible for journalists to independently verify figures from either Israeli or Palestinian authorities.
  • Israeli forces say “dozens” of Hamas fighters killed in overnight operations. Israel’s air force has released a statement saying IDF fighters and armoured forces were fired on with anti-tank weapons and grenades in overnight operations.
  • Joe Biden has said there should be a “pause” in the fighting in Gaza to enable the release of hostages. The US president was speaking at a campaign fundraiser in Minneapolis on Wednesday when a woman shouted at him, telling him to call for a ceasefire. Biden responded: “I think we need a pause. A pause means give time to get the prisoners out.” White House officials later clarified he was referring to hostages being held by Hamas.
  • The lower parliament of Bahrain has announced Bahrain is severing all economic ties with Israel. The kingdom was one of the original signatories to the Abraham accords that normalised relations between Israel and some Arab states.
  • An Israeli strike has hit a residential building in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, killing at least 15 people, according to Gaza’s civil defence rescue organisation.
  • At least 195 Palestinians were killed in two rounds of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp on Tuesday and Wednesday, a Hamas-run government media office said. Israel claims it killed senior Hamas officials in both attacks. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said Muhammad A’sar, the commander of Hamas’s anti-tank guided missile array, was targeted in Wednesday’s airstrike.
  • The UN human rights office said Israel’s airstrike on Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp on Tuesday could amount to war crimes. The agency said it had “serious concerns” given the “high number of civilian casualties and the scale of destruction” after the strikes. The UN’s humanitarian chief, Martin Griffiths, said the airstrikes were“just the latest atrocity to befall the people of Gaza” and said the world “seems unable, or unwilling, to act”.
  • The scale of tragedy in Gaza is “unprecedented”, the commissioner general for the main UN agency in Palestine has said after visiting the besieged territory for the first time since 7 October. Philippe Lazzarini of the UNRWA described his visit to the Gaza Strip as “one of the saddest days in my humanitarian work” and urged a “meaningful” humanitarian response to prevent people in Gaza from dying.
  • Four hundred people holding foreign passports are expected to cross the Rafah border crossing on Thursday, in addition to 60 wounded, according to one Egyptian official. The crossing opened for the first time on Wednesday.
  • More than 20,000 wounded people are still trapped in the Gaza Strip, according to Médecins Sans Frontières, despite the evacuation of some foreign passport holders and badly injured Palestinians across the border to Egypt on Wednesday.
  • Eighteen Israeli soldiers have been killed amid fierce fighting in Gaza, in a series of incidents that have underlined the mounting challenges facing the IDF in their attempts to push further into built-up areas of Gaza. The heaviest loss of life occurred when a “Namer” armoured personnel carrier was hit at about noon on Tuesday by an anti-tank guided missile, killing 11 soldiers and wounding several more.
  • Thai officials held direct talks with Hamas in Iran last week. Negotiators met Hamas officials in Tehran on 26 October and were given a pledge that the 22 Thais being held in Gaza would be released at the “right time”, Areepen Uttarasin told reporters in Bangkok on Wednesday.
  • The only cancer treatment hospital in Gaza has gone out of service after it ran out of fuel, health officials said on Wednesday. The director of the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital told a press conference: “We tell the world: don’t leave cancer patients to a certain death due to the hospital being out of service.”
 

Hamas-run health ministry reports deaths near UN school in Gaza​

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says at least 27 people have been killed by an Israeli strike near a UN school in Jabalia in the northern Gaza Strip.

The BBC is not yet able to verify that figure, and has contacted the UN for comment.

Footage from the AFP news agency shows several injured people at the scene.

The Israel Defense Forces, which has been carrying out strikes in the Jabalia area in recent days, have not commented.

 
'We must talk directly to Hamas'
Nadia Ragozhina
Live reporter

Neta Heiman Mina's 84-year-old mother is being held hostage in Gaza, after being kidnapped from her kibbutz in Israel on 7 October.

"We must talk directly to Hamas," Neta tells me.

A long-time activist with Women Wage Peace, the largest Israeli grassroots peace movement made up of Jewish and Arab women, Neta has long campaigned for an agreement-based resolution to the conflict.

"You must sit and talk," she says, her voice resolute. "Every time the conflict escalates, every time they are attacking, we attack back. We try to destroy Hamas, but we can't.

"The only way is a diplomatic agreement."

Neta, speaking to me from Israel, adds: "I blame the government for what happened.

"In the last nine months they did everything to escalate the situation, especially in the West Bank.

"The army was there [in the West Bank], to protect the Sukkah [a shelter put up as part of a Jewish festival]. They were there and they didn't protect my mother.

"And now they need to do everything to bring them [the hostages] back."

Neta is very worried about the ground offensive in Gaza. She doesn't know what it means for the hostages, and she is also concerned for the young soldiers.

"They are all friends of my children, they are children of my friends. I don't think it will bring the hostages back.

"The international community must help us. Put pressure that could help us bring them back."

 

Hamas-run health ministry reports deaths near UN school in Gaza​

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says at least 27 people have been killed by an Israeli strike near a UN school in Jabalia in the northern Gaza Strip.

The BBC is not yet able to verify that figure, and has contacted the UN for comment.

Footage from the AFP news agency shows several injured people at the scene.

The Israel Defense Forces, which has been carrying out strikes in the Jabalia area in recent days, have not commented.

Were any of the 27 people at the UN school, or were they simply near the school? If they were at the school, I hope USA media asks the UN people why the school was still open 2-3 weeks after they were advised to evacuate.
 
Is it really the right decision for USA media to confront military in a foreign country about the tragic side of war during war? Hamas is deliberately putting civilians between themselves and Israeli soldiers because they want the world to be upset with Israel that civilians are killed or injured during the war. The confrontation should be with Hamas, and the sympathy should be with Israel. Israel has to eliminate Hamas or they will be brutally murdered in their sleep. They have no choice.

Reporters are too often confrontational with questions like: 'we know you failed on October 7, how do we know you're not failing now?' Imagine that those same reporters were equally confrontational with USA military or politicians, accusing them of failing each time there is a mass murder on the streets in the USA. It would never happen, yet reporters feel they have the right to ask those questions of foreign countries.
More US tax dollars go to Israel than any other country. We have a vested interest. We are supporting this war
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Hamas gunmen did not hesitate to execute or kidnap fellow Muslims whom they came across during their two-day rampage.
They hold Israeli citizenship and, while not drafted into the army, like Israeli Jews or Druze, around 1,500 Bedouin
As a trivia side note, Israeli Circassians (a Muslim ethnic group) also routinely volunteer for service in the IDF.

But... Bedouin and other Muslims- as a well as Arab Christian volunteers in the IDF, have the ability to "opt out" of serving in Gaza (when part of it was under Israeli occupation), and the West Bank.

My understanding is that a very significant majority take the "opt out" option. This means that these soldiers are purely defensive and do not need to enforce occupation laws, regulations and polices against Palestinians.

As a further trivia side note, the Israeli government has recently proposed that Israeli Arab Christians have an obligation to serve in the IDF. The Catholic Bishop evidently was cold to the idea (at best). But... the Eastern Orthodox Bishop was emphatically opposed to mandatory service for his parishioners. The IDF then shelved the plan.
 
'We must talk directly to Hamas'
Nadia Ragozhina
Live reporter

"The only way is a diplomatic agreement."



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I understand her desperation, but does she really think that the Israeli government at this point can reach a diplomatic agreement with Hamas terrorists, especially after the October 7 barbaric massacre? Once Hamas' leadership and infrastructure is destroyed on its borders, perhaps then will be time for diplomacy.
 
Were any of the 27 people at the UN school, or were they simply near the school? If they were at the school, I hope USA media asks the UN people why the school was still open 2-3 weeks after they were advised to evacuate.
Sounds like it's more than one school and they are being used as shelters now rather than operational schools.

Israeli airstrikes on Thursday killed more than 20 people sheltering at United Nations schools in Gaza, the head of the main UN relief agency working in the enclave told CNN.

The agency has received “extraordinary, difficult news” about schools in the refugee camps of Jabalya and Al Shati, which is sometimes referred to as Beach camp, said Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner general of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

"Over the last few hours, I received reports that three of our schools sheltering about 20,000 people have been hit," Lazzarini told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour. "This reportedly has led to the deaths of more than 20 people in Jabalya, and also one person at the Beach camp."

CNN has asked the Israel Defense Forces for comment.

Reuters video Thursday showed damage at the Jabalya camp near Gaza City. A separate, five-minute video posted to Telegram shows the chaotic aftermath at the UNRWA-sponsored Jabalya Elementary school. Bloodied bodies lie strewn across the floor as people scream around them.

“These are official UNWRA schools, where we shelter a number of displaced persons in the north of Gaza,” Lazzarini said. “These are shelters which are clearly notified,” he added, meaning the Israeli military knows their location.

Those sheltering in a school in the Al Shati camp, northwest of Jabalya, recounted the ordeal to a CNN stringer.

“The school was shelled and we started screaming,” a woman who fled the school after the attack told CNN. “It was an absolute horror.”

“We were sheltering in the UN school thinking it would be safe,” another man said. “It’s getting destroyed. And it’s mostly women and children, because so many of their men have died. They are innocent. They are innocent.”

 

It is just past 5pm (now 6.30pm) in Gaza City and in Tel Aviv. Here is a summary of the latest news:​

  • At least 9,061 people have been killed by Israeli strikes on Gaza since 7 October, including 3,760 children, the health ministry in Gaza has said. It has not been possible for journalists to independently verify figures from either Israeli or Palestinian authorities.
  • Israeli forces say “dozens” of Hamas fighters killed in overnight operations. Israel’s air force has released a statement saying IDF fighters and armoured forces were fired on with anti-tank weapons and grenades in overnight operations.
  • Joe Biden has said there should be a “pause” in the fighting in Gaza to enable the release of hostages. The US president was speaking at a campaign fundraiser in Minneapolis on Wednesday when a woman shouted at him, telling him to call for a ceasefire. Biden responded: “I think we need a pause. A pause means give time to get the prisoners out.” White House officials later clarified he was referring to hostages being held by Hamas.
  • The lower parliament of Bahrain has announced Bahrain is severing all economic ties with Israel. The kingdom was one of the original signatories to the Abraham accords that normalised relations between Israel and some Arab states.
  • An Israeli strike has hit a residential building in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, killing at least 15 people, according to Gaza’s civil defence rescue organisation.
  • At least 195 Palestinians were killed in two rounds of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp on Tuesday and Wednesday, a Hamas-run government media office said. Israel claims it killed senior Hamas officials in both attacks. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said Muhammad A’sar, the commander of Hamas’s anti-tank guided missile array, was targeted in Wednesday’s airstrike.
  • The UN human rights office said Israel’s airstrike on Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp on Tuesday could amount to war crimes. The agency said it had “serious concerns” given the “high number of civilian casualties and the scale of destruction” after the strikes. The UN’s humanitarian chief, Martin Griffiths, said the airstrikes were“just the latest atrocity to befall the people of Gaza” and said the world “seems unable, or unwilling, to act”.
  • The scale of tragedy in Gaza is “unprecedented”, the commissioner general for the main UN agency in Palestine has said after visiting the besieged territory for the first time since 7 October. Philippe Lazzarini of the UNRWA described his visit to the Gaza Strip as “one of the saddest days in my humanitarian work” and urged a “meaningful” humanitarian response to prevent people in Gaza from dying.
  • Four hundred people holding foreign passports are expected to cross the Rafah border crossing on Thursday, in addition to 60 wounded, according to one Egyptian official. The crossing opened for the first time on Wednesday.
  • More than 20,000 wounded people are still trapped in the Gaza Strip, according to Médecins Sans Frontières, despite the evacuation of some foreign passport holders and badly injured Palestinians across the border to Egypt on Wednesday.
  • Eighteen Israeli soldiers have been killed amid fierce fighting in Gaza, in a series of incidents that have underlined the mounting challenges facing the IDF in their attempts to push further into built-up areas of Gaza. The heaviest loss of life occurred when a “Namer” armoured personnel carrier was hit at about noon on Tuesday by an anti-tank guided missile, killing 11 soldiers and wounding several more.
  • Thai officials held direct talks with Hamas in Iran last week. Negotiators met Hamas officials in Tehran on 26 October and were given a pledge that the 22 Thais being held in Gaza would be released at the “right time”, Areepen Uttarasin told reporters in Bangkok on Wednesday.
  • The only cancer treatment hospital in Gaza has gone out of service after it ran out of fuel, health officials said on Wednesday. The director of the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital told a press conference: “We tell the world: don’t leave cancer patients to a certain death due to the hospital being out of service.”
Bbm.
Thanks for the links and updates, @Mo Thuairim !

Re. the first bolded : IF a 'pause' meant the hostages would be released, then maybe. But it's a good bet, that a 'pause' will only allow the terrorists to regroup, and add more human shields.

Isn't a 'pause' akin to a 'ceasefire'; depending on how long it goes on ?

Re. the second bolded : The director of the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital needs to demand that Hamas return the fuel it has most likely taken/stolen.
Millions of dollars have been poured into Gaza via aid.
They should already have enough fuel.

It's time to let the world know what Hamas has done to it's own people.
This fault of the suffering patients and the deaths of the human shields aka refugee camps located over Hamas' tunnels needs to be confronted.
The blame doesn't lie with the IDF, nor with the people and nations who have given funds and supplies to Gaza.
Omo.
 
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Sounds like it's more than one school and they are being used as shelters now rather than operational schools.

Israeli airstrikes on Thursday killed more than 20 people sheltering at United Nations schools in Gaza, the head of the main UN relief agency working in the enclave told CNN.

The agency has received “extraordinary, difficult news” about schools in the refugee camps of Jabalya and Al Shati, which is sometimes referred to as Beach camp, said Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner general of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).



CNN has asked the Israel Defense Forces for comment.

Reuters video Thursday showed damage at the Jabalya camp near Gaza City. A separate, five-minute video posted to Telegram shows the chaotic aftermath at the UNRWA-sponsored Jabalya Elementary school. Bloodied bodies lie strewn across the floor as people scream around them.

“These are official UNWRA schools, where we shelter a number of displaced persons in the north of Gaza,” Lazzarini said. “These are shelters which are clearly notified,” he added, meaning the Israeli military knows their location.

Those sheltering in a school in the Al Shati camp, northwest of Jabalya, recounted the ordeal to a CNN stringer.

“The school was shelled and we started screaming,” a woman who fled the school after the attack told CNN. “It was an absolute horror.”

“We were sheltering in the UN school thinking it would be safe,” another man said. “It’s getting destroyed. And it’s mostly women and children, because so many of their men have died. They are innocent. They are innocent.”

I hope the UN did not make the decision to turn their schools into shelters. The UN ought to know better. In fact, the UN school had a responsibility to turn off the lights, lock the doors, and put up notices that they are available to assist with evacuation.

It has been widely reported that Hamas built offices and munition storage rooms in tunnels underneath schools and hospitals. IDF has repeatedly requested that people evacuate prior the war moving to that area. The UN should have been transporting people out of the area for the last 2-3 weeks.

Why have so many of their men died? Is it because they are Hamas?
 
Sounds like it's more than one school and they are being used as shelters now rather than operational schools.

Israeli airstrikes on Thursday killed more than 20 people sheltering at United Nations schools in Gaza, the head of the main UN relief agency working in the enclave told CNN.

The agency has received “extraordinary, difficult news” about schools in the refugee camps of Jabalya and Al Shati, which is sometimes referred to as Beach camp, said Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner general of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).



CNN has asked the Israel Defense Forces for comment.

Reuters video Thursday showed damage at the Jabalya camp near Gaza City. A separate, five-minute video posted to Telegram shows the chaotic aftermath at the UNRWA-sponsored Jabalya Elementary school. Bloodied bodies lie strewn across the floor as people scream around them.

“These are official UNWRA schools, where we shelter a number of displaced persons in the north of Gaza,” Lazzarini said. “These are shelters which are clearly notified,” he added, meaning the Israeli military knows their location.

Those sheltering in a school in the Al Shati camp, northwest of Jabalya, recounted the ordeal to a CNN stringer.

“The school was shelled and we started screaming,” a woman who fled the school after the attack told CNN. “It was an absolute horror.”

“We were sheltering in the UN school thinking it would be safe,” another man said. “It’s getting destroyed. And it’s mostly women and children, because so many of their men have died. They are innocent. They are innocent.”

This is so sad !
Do we know for certain it was the IDF and not another misfired Hamas rocket ?

There is something rotten in the territory of Gaza, and I think it's not impossible that Hamas is targeting areas where they know there are only refugees so that they can blame Israel.
If there are Hamas tunnels or bunkers directly beneath these areas -- it's possible that the terrorists are herding their human shields to that location so the terrorists can kill a large group with more 'efficiency' ?

After the raging hate we've seen displayed by Hamas on Oct. 7th, it looks more and more like they're now targeting their own -- and the more people they can murder, the better for their cause ?
IF Hamas tells people to shelter in a certain location, those same people need to start rebelling and refusing to go there.
It's like Hamas is giving a death warrant to the people of Gaza, while pretending to give them protection.
I wish we could speak to the survivors of this attack and ask them if Hamas or the UNRWA told them to shelter there ?
Omo.
 
Israel’s top military commander has said his country’s forces have surrounded Gaza City on three sides and that Israeli troops are operating inside the city.

Describing fierce fighting, Lt Gen Herzi Halevi ,the Israel Defence Forces chief of staff, said:

[Israeli forces] are in the heart of northern Gaza, operating in Gaza City, surrounding it.

In an apparent warning to the Lebanese Shia militant group Hezbollah, with whom the IDF has been engaged in daily cross-border exchanges, Halevi added that “less than half the Israeli air force” was involved in airstrikes on Gaza with “most of its force ready, with bombs loaded should the need arise to attack on other fronts”.

Halevi was speaking before a speech by Hezbollah’s secretary general, Hassan Nasrallah, in Beirut on Friday, the first public remarks he has made since Hamas’s surprise attack on southern Israel on 7 October in which 1,400 Israelis and foreign nationals were massacred.

Israel and Hezbollah continued to exchange fire on Thursday across the Lebanese border, with a rocket fired from Lebanon hitting a house in the northern town of Kiryat Shmona. Hezbollah also claimed it has used two drones to target Israeli forces.

 
This is so sad !
Do we know for certain it was the IDF and not another misfired Hamas rocket ?

There is something rotten in the territory of Gaza, and I think it's not impossible that Hamas is targeting areas where they know there are only refugees so that they can blame Israel.
If there are Hamas tunnels or bunkers directly beneath these areas -- it's possible that the terrorists are herding their human shields to that location so the terrorists can kill a large group with more 'efficiency' ?

After the raging hate we've seen displayed by Hamas on Oct. 7th, it looks more and more like they're now targeting their own -- and the more people they can murder, the better for their cause ?
IF Hamas tells people to shelter in a certain location, those same people need to start rebelling and refusing to go there.
It's like Hamas is giving a death warrant to the people of Gaza, while pretending to give them protection.
I wish we could speak to the survivors of this attack and ask them if Hamas or the UNRWA told them to shelter there ?
Omo.
I agree!

When a group like HAMAS does what it did on Oct 7th and somehow has support from people around the world AND Israel is looking like the "bad guy" because it's striking targets and killing kids/civilians. There is a LOT that is rotten and I'd say 95% of it is HAMAS. I don't know that we will have any clear answers while this is an ongoing conflict.

We've seen so many conflicting statements. Sometimes I wish the media would be subject to a blackout for a period of time. Take the photos, observe, interview people, etc., but no reporting of this stuff until some time has passed. How many times has initial info been wrong.. it incites more violence. War is not pretty no matter how well planned and executed things are.. innocent people will die and when one side has such a warped view of what is okay, there is no compromise. One side here vows to wipe Israel off the map and then the US.. wants to control the world. AND they have supporters.. glad these countries supporting this are okay with HAMAS ruling the world. Good grief it's ridiculous.
 

Hamas killers 'roasted babies in an oven' during October 7 terror attack, Israeli first responder claims​


  • Asher Moskowitz posted a video detailing what he saw after the Hamas attack
  • He says he helped carry bodies into a facility where victims were identified
 
Haaretz.com
7:12 PM

Gantz to Gazans: Whoever assists in return of hostages will be granted immunity for them and their family

Minister Benny Gantz said to Israeli media that "We're moving on from the abyss of disaster towards victory."

"It's not yet possible to talk about all of our achievements, but they are very significant," Gantz said, noting the complexity of the campaign due to "combat characteristics" as well as the need not only to protect Israel's border, "but to shape what happens beyond it." Along with the goal of bringing the hostages home, "our goal is to fundamentally change the reality in the south and in all of Israel," Gantz added.

Regarding the hostages, Gantz said that "Even at this moment, we are using all the means at our disposal to bring them home. I also say to the residents of Gaza who understand the disaster that Hamas is bringing upon them: whoever assists in the return of the hostages will be given immunity for them and their family. Whoever holds children and women captive - their sentence is death."

7:09 PM

Biden says 74 Americans with dual citizenship have exited Gaza via Rafah crossing

U.S. President Joe Biden said 74 Americans with dual citizenship have exited Gaza via the Rafah crossing, the latest breakthrough following weeks of intensive diplomatic efforts.

Approximately 400 U.S. citizens were in Gaza along with their families, totaling nearly 1,000 people. They had not been able to leave due to what U.S. officials deemed "a series of demands from Hamas."

U.S. officials hope hundreds more can leave in the coming days, though the situation remains highly fluid.

5:30 PM

Prime Minister's Office: Netanyahu did not approve the entry of fuel into Gaza :(

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office announced that he did not approve the entry of fuel into the Gaza Strip.

Earlier on Thursday, Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi said that Israel would allow the transfer of fuel to the Gaza Strip under supervision as soon as it runs out in hospitals.
 
I agree!

When a group like HAMAS does what it did on Oct 7th and somehow has support from people around the world AND Israel is looking like the "bad guy" because it's striking targets and killing kids/civilians. There is a LOT that is rotten and I'd say 95% of it is HAMAS. I don't know that we will have any clear answers while this is an ongoing conflict.

We've seen so many conflicting statements. Sometimes I wish the media would be subject to a blackout for a period of time. Take the photos, observe, interview people, etc., but no reporting of this stuff until some time has passed. How many times has initial info been wrong.. it incites more violence. War is not pretty no matter how well planned and executed things are.. innocent people will die and when one side has such a warped view of what is okay, there is no compromise. One side here vows to wipe Israel off the map and then the US.. wants to control the world. AND they have supporters.. glad these countries supporting this are okay with HAMAS ruling the world. Good grief it's ridiculous.
Reporting is good. For example, reporting that Gaza civilians were strongly advised to evacuate the area 2-3 weeks ago but chose to stay in an Hamas stronghold during the bombing ... that should be reported. Opinions that Israel should leave the Hamas stronghold intact, or pause the invasion, because Hamas families have remained in Jabalia are not helpful.
 
I agree!

When a group like HAMAS does what it did on Oct 7th and somehow has support from people around the world AND Israel is looking like the "bad guy" because it's striking targets and killing kids/civilians. There is a LOT that is rotten and I'd say 95% of it is HAMAS. I don't know that we will have any clear answers while this is an ongoing conflict.

We've seen so many conflicting statements. Sometimes I wish the media would be subject to a blackout for a period of time. Take the photos, observe, interview people, etc., but no reporting of this stuff until some time has passed. How many times has initial info been wrong.. it incites more violence. War is not pretty no matter how well planned and executed things are.. innocent people will die and when one side has such a warped view of what is okay, there is no compromise. One side here vows to wipe Israel off the map and then the US.. wants to control the world. AND they have supporters.. glad these countries supporting this are okay with HAMAS ruling the world. Good grief it's ridiculous.
The IDF takes responsibility for their bombings.

Was Japan responsible for the atomic bomb or was the United States?
 
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