Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #9

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Israeli PM Netanyahu has suspended a far-right cabinet member from government meetings after he suggested in a radio interview that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was “one way”.


“Nuking Gaza is an option. They can go to Ireland or deserts. Gaza has no right to exist. Anyone waving a Palestinian flag shouldn’t be allowed to continue living on the face of the earth.” Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
 
Israeli PM Netanyahu has suspended a far-right cabinet member from government meetings after he suggested in a radio interview that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza was “one way”.


“Nuking Gaza is an option. They can go to Ireland or deserts. Gaza has no right to exist. Anyone waving a Palestinian flag shouldn’t be allowed to continue living on the face of the earth.” Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
I like BN's answer :D
"Not based in reality"
Spot on.
Phew!
 

"Top Hamas military commander claims October 7 attacks were never meant to target Israeli civilians as he breaks ranks to criticise terror group's exiled leaders

'who changed the plan last-minute'

in extraordinary intervention.


The leader of a battalion of 400 Hamas terrorists claimed that the initial plan was to kill Israeli soldiers and take some troops hostage.
But he said that orders were changed at the last minute by Hamas political leaders exiled outside of Gaza which led to the savage rape, torture and murder of more than 1,400 children, women and men. Hundreds of Israelis were taken hostage back to Gaza.

'I am one of the planners (of October 7) and we did not expect it to go this way,’
he said, speaking via the encrypted Telegram app last week.


The commander, going by the code name Abu Mohammed, accused Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar of acting like a ‘street fighter’.

He said the Hamas leadership that had ordered its terrorists to
‘do what they like’
are not living in Gaza and facing Israel’s retribution.

‘Our reason to speak is that we want to raise our voice to the world.
My dear Gaza is under bombardment.
The problem is because of our leadership'."

 
Kids, swings, pool and rockets.One of these things is not like the other. Hamas hides rocket launchpads in children's playgrounds.Here’s the proof:

The IDF revealed: Hamas rocket launchers in playgrounds and near children's pools

At 15:30 today Israel time, IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari will reveal evidence in a special media briefing proving Hamas' use of hospitals in Gaza as bases of operation.
@WHO @amnesty @PalestineRCS @UN @UNRWA
Join our live stream to see how Hamas uses Gazans.

Our reporter Nir Debori reports from the heart of the fighting zone in the Gaza Strip
https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1721104092934644138
 
DM was quick to cover it ;)

Don't politicians know this saying?

"Speech is silver

But...

Silence is golden"

 
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"Top Hamas military commander claims October 7 attacks were never meant to target Israeli civilians as he breaks ranks to criticise terror group's exiled leaders

'who changed the plan last-minute'

in extraordinary intervention.


The leader of a battalion of 400 Hamas terrorists claimed that the initial plan was to kill Israeli soldiers and take some troops hostage.
But he said that orders were changed at the last minute by Hamas political leaders exiled outside of Gaza which led to the savage rape, torture and murder of more than 1,400 children, women and men. Hundreds of Israelis were taken hostage back to Gaza.

'I am one of the planners (of October 7) and we did not expect it to go this way,’
he said, speaking via the encrypted Telegram app last week.

<RSBM>
But it was their plan; since at least October of 2022.

Since 2020, I've been working in position as a Planner (affectionately called a 'Planimal' here) at an Army Headquarters. I've previously worked this at a Joint HQ. Military planning is very complicated - and is known as an artform. My position within the Planning Team deals with munitions, fueling, replenishment of such, it's convoy transport of such etc. How much do we need, what types for what purpose, it's causes and effects etc. We all work tgether as a Planning Team all the time - we simply don't work on our own so are not unaware of any other part of the plan. This terrorist attack of 7 October 2023 was very well-planned ... and executed. It did not happen last minute. It did not happen without extensive military planning and intelligence (INT/Intel) to back it up. The PLAN is dated October 2022 (because they dropped a copy of it which was recovered in Israel on 7 October). Prior to even being able to PUBLISH tht plan in October 2022, the INT would have had to have been gathered for use by the planners. The INT they used included detailed maps of each settlement, who and how many people lived in each house, which houses had 'IDF reservists (ie: weapons in the house), who and how many security at each settlement and where they lived, how long for the IDF to reach that location and how many of them would be available to respond amongst a whole bunch of other stuff. They published in October 2022, which means they had those required INT details well before that date. I suspect that in the future inquirey we will find out that they had some human sources (HUMINT) feeding them details they needed as to housing, timing and numbers - most likely from Gazan Workers who had permits to work and travel in Israel proper.

I suspect the subject of the story above is trying to walk-back and downplay his culpability in compiling, drafting and issuing plans that clearly denote war crimes are within "the plan". You know, should he be captured and actually face trial for war crimes. He's trying to blame people that weren't in Gaza and that this happened at the last minute!! ... people that didn't gather the INT and work the plans? It went over way too well, and in accrodance with their plans, for that to have been the case.

He didn't "know"?? LMAO IMO, - from one planner to another- I call el toro poo poo.

We have been sent a 14-page operational document that was obtained from one of the units in the field, that was inspecting Hamas bodies found in a toyata pickup truck. Note. This document is dated October 2022, and is labeled "Top Secret." We cannot explain the significance of the date at this point.

Many of the Hamas terrorist bodies were found with religious pamphletes and maps guiding them to their areas of operation, like this map, which divides each village into operating zones (in arabic.

  • The documents indicate that Hamas set out from the start to target not just military installations, but to attack civilian population centres and to take hostages, and they offer evidence of the scale of Hamas’s intelligence-gathering and the degree of planning for the assault.
  • “They knew exactly what the targets were going to be,’” WSJ quoted Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University, as saying. “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”
  • One 14-page document labelled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023, describes a plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, a small collective community called a kibbutz, near Gaza and taking residents hostage.
  • Two teams of five and a commander would carry out the operation on “Hour S, Day Y,” it reads. Maps and aerial pictures of the town were contained in the document, which says there were 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.


Here's a great video on Military Planning that touches on what planning entails and just how in-depth it is.

Just found this one from Ryan MacBeth who is a very well OSINT analyser (ex-military) giving a run down on the recovered 7 Ocotober 2023 Hamas Plans:
 
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But it was their plan; since at least October of 2022.

Since 2020, I've been working in position as a Planner (affectionately called a 'Planimal' here) at an Army Headquarters. I've previously worked this at a Joint HQ. Military planning is very complicated - and is known as an artform. My position within the Planning Team deals with munitions, fueling, replenishment of such, it's convoy transport of such etc. How much do we need, what types for what purpose, it's causes and effects etc. We all work tgether as a Planning Team all the time - we simply don't work on our own so are not unaware of any other part of the plan. This terrorist attack of 7 October 2023 was very well-planned ... and executed. It did not happen last minute. It did not happen without extensive military planning and intelligence (INT/Intel) to back it up. The PLAN is dated October 2022 (because they dropped a copy of it which was recovered in Israel on 7 October). Prior to even being able to PUBLISH tht plan in October 2022, the INT would have had to have been gathered for use by the planners. The INT they used included detailed maps of each settlement, who and how many people lived in each house, which houses had 'IDF reservists (ie: weapons in the house), who and how many security at each settlement and where they lived, how long for the IDF to reach that location and how many of them would be available to respond amongst a whole bunch of other stuff. They published in October 2022, which means they had those required INT details well before that date. I suspect that in the future inquirey we will find out that they had some human sources (HUMINT) feeding them details they needed as to housing, timing and numbers - most likely from Gazan Workers who had permits to work and travel in Israel proper.

I suspect the subject of the story above is trying to walk-back and downplay his culpability in compiling, drafting and issuing plans that clearly denote war crimes are within "the plan".

He didn't "know"?? LMAO IMO, - from one planner to another- I call el toro poo poo.

We have been sent a 14-page operational document that was obtained from one of the units in the field, that was inspecting Hamas bodies found in a toyata pickup truck. Note. This document is dated October 2022, and is labeled "Top Secret." We cannot explain the significance of the date at this point.

Many of the Hamas terrorist bodies were found with religious pamphletes and maps guiding them to their areas of operation, like this map, which divides each village into operating zones (in arabic.

  • The documents indicate that Hamas set out from the start to target not just military installations, but to attack civilian population centres and to take hostages, and they offer evidence of the scale of Hamas’s intelligence-gathering and the degree of planning for the assault.
  • “They knew exactly what the targets were going to be,’” WSJ quoted Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University, as saying. “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”
  • One 14-page document labelled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023, describes a plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, a small collective community called a kibbutz, near Gaza and taking residents hostage.
  • Two teams of five and a commander would carry out the operation on “Hour S, Day Y,” it reads. Maps and aerial pictures of the town were contained in the document, which says there were 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.


Here's a great video on Military Planning that touches on what planning entails and just how in-depth it is.

Just found this one from Ryan MacBeth who is a very well OSINT analyser (ex-military) giving a run down on the recovered 7 Ocotober 2023 Hamas Plans:

Damage control? :rolleyes:
 
But it was their plan; since at least October of 2022.

Since 2020, I've been working in position as a Planner (affectionately called a 'Planimal' here) at an Army Headquarters. I've previously worked this at a Joint HQ. Military planning is very complicated - and is known as an artform. My position within the Planning Team deals with munitions, fueling, replenishment of such, it's convoy transport of such etc. How much do we need, what types for what purpose, it's causes and effects etc. We all work tgether as a Planning Team all the time - we simply don't work on our own so are not unaware of any other part of the plan. This terrorist attack of 7 October 2023 was very well-planned ... and executed. It did not happen last minute. It did not happen without extensive military planning and intelligence (INT/Intel) to back it up. The PLAN is dated October 2022 (because they dropped a copy of it which was recovered in Israel on 7 October). Prior to even being able to PUBLISH tht plan in October 2022, the INT would have had to have been gathered for use by the planners. The INT they used included detailed maps of each settlement, who and how many people lived in each house, which houses had 'IDF reservists (ie: weapons in the house), who and how many security at each settlement and where they lived, how long for the IDF to reach that location and how many of them would be available to respond amongst a whole bunch of other stuff. They published in October 2022, which means they had those required INT details well before that date. I suspect that in the future inquirey we will find out that they had some human sources (HUMINT) feeding them details they needed as to housing, timing and numbers - most likely from Gazan Workers who had permits to work and travel in Israel proper.

I suspect the subject of the story above is trying to walk-back and downplay his culpability in compiling, drafting and issuing plans that clearly denote war crimes are within "the plan". You know, should he be captured and actually face trial for war crimes. He's trying to blame people that weren't in Gaza and that this happened at the last minute!! ... people that didn't gather the INT and work the plans? It went over way too well, and in accrodance with their plans, for that to have been the case.

He didn't "know"?? LMAO IMO, - from one planner to another- I call el toro poo poo.

We have been sent a 14-page operational document that was obtained from one of the units in the field, that was inspecting Hamas bodies found in a toyata pickup truck. Note. This document is dated October 2022, and is labeled "Top Secret." We cannot explain the significance of the date at this point.

Many of the Hamas terrorist bodies were found with religious pamphletes and maps guiding them to their areas of operation, like this map, which divides each village into operating zones (in arabic.

  • The documents indicate that Hamas set out from the start to target not just military installations, but to attack civilian population centres and to take hostages, and they offer evidence of the scale of Hamas’s intelligence-gathering and the degree of planning for the assault.
  • “They knew exactly what the targets were going to be,’” WSJ quoted Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University, as saying. “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”
  • One 14-page document labelled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023, describes a plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, a small collective community called a kibbutz, near Gaza and taking residents hostage.
  • Two teams of five and a commander would carry out the operation on “Hour S, Day Y,” it reads. Maps and aerial pictures of the town were contained in the document, which says there were 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.


Here's a great video on Military Planning that touches on what planning entails and just how in-depth it is.

Just found this one from Ryan MacBeth who is a very well OSINT analyser (ex-military) giving a run down on the recovered 7 Ocotober 2023 Hamas Plans:
@Vern Your military career is invaluable to a civilian like me. Your explication of what goes on behind the scenes, in planning, training and all other aspects of war helps me to better understand.

Thank you for your service to Canada.

From your American neighbor.
 
Damage control? :rolleyes:
Yah. I'm thinking that he's a terrorist who is having second thoughts about wanting to fight to the death.

So, if captured alive and ever made to face trial for war crimes as a massacre planner (and war crimes were in the actual written plan) he's trying to claim ignorance and pass the buck.

Thing is - Planners Plan. Planners write the Plans. War Crimes were written into the 7 October Plans.
"Leaders" living in Lux at other locations - Select the CoA and sign off on the Op Order to put the Plan into effect. Then, they give the Order to "go" and execute the plan.

Both of the above are culpable for what that plan entails.
 
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Nov 5 2023 rbbm
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From the left, Adva Gutman, Ayelet Sela bin Nun, Alon Adar, Adva Adar and Daniel Toledano, hold portraits of relatives held hostages by the Hamas militants during a press conference at the Paris town hall...Show more
The Associated Press


''PARIS -- The photo of the white-haired woman in a golf cart, wrapped in a purple blanket and flanked by a gunman, was among the first to emerge of the hostages seized during the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel.

But Yaffa Adar’s granddaughter is afraid that the world’s memory of that harrowing day – and the impetus to free some 240 people held by Hamas – is fading. So Adva Adar and her brother, like many other relatives of the hostages, have left Israel for what they hope will be a friendly reception in cities around the world.

Paris, Atlanta and London. Chicago and Vienna. The island of Cyprus.''


''They fear the alternative will be a collective amnesia, as memories of that day are replaced by news of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. Israeli social media is filled with images of the missing person flyers of the hostages being ripped down around the world.

“It’s very scary thinking that it’s going to be old news that my grandmother will stay hostage,” Adva Adar said.''

“I want you to try and imagine not knowing for three weeks and two days if your family member is alive or not,” Segal said. “And the reason that I’m saying that is because when you try to go to bed. when you try to go to sleep, the only thing that you think is: ‘Does she have a bed? Is she eating? Is she drinking?’”
 
lengthy, rbbm.
''Former British prime minister Boris Johnson, visiting Israel, says he is here “to show my support, my solidarity, with the people of Israel after that appalling attack” on October 7, “the worst atrocity, the worst massacre of Jewish people, that we’ve seen since the Second World War.”

''Speaking to Channel 12 news, he says he also wants to highlight that “since that appalling massacre of October 7, you’re seeing a kind of fog descend, a moral fog, and I just want to remind people of the absolute barbarism of what took place
and to make it clear that Israel has the right to defend itself.”

''His key point, he says, is that “there can be no moral equivalence between the terrorism of Hamas and the actions of the Israeli Defense Forces.”

''Asked about the massive protests in the UK in support of Hamas and condemning Israel, Johnson replies: “My message is: look at the facts. Look at what happened to those poor innocent people — those people in the kibbutz, those people at the music festival. They were entirely blameless civilian targets.”

He says he talked this morning to IDF soldiers, “and it was so clear that they are trained to avoid civilian targets, they’re trained to do everything they can to minimize innocent loss of life, minimize suffering. It is the exact opposite of the objectives of the Hamas terrorists.”
 
Douglas Murray
@DouglasKMurray

These are the innocent people of the Gaza. People rejoicing in the slaughter of Jews. People who spit on the bodies of murdered Jewish women and now watch replays for Lols.

Thanks for this compelling clip. ^^^
My goodness.
These people do not look like they need 'aid'.
Why are they saying they have no power/electricity when clearly they have enough ?
Do they even need all of the supplies being showered upon them ?
We (& other countries who are pouring money and supplies !) are funding our own eventual destruction.
I don't think it's nonsense to say that.
Horrifying.
Omo.
 

Hunted by Hamas: 27 hours of slaughter and survival inside Israel’s Kibbutz Be’eri​


A nurse, a paramedic and a doctor trapped in a clinic tending to the wounded. A father holding a safe room door shut so gunmen can't get in. Two brothers who raced across Israel to run a freelance rescue operation. Reuters reconstructs the life-and-death struggle at Kibbutz Be’eri, a main target in the Hamas assault that has set off a major war.

 
Thanks for this compelling clip. ^^^
My goodness.
These people do not look like they need 'aid'.
Why are they saying they have no power/electricity when clearly they have enough ?
Do they even need all of the supplies being showered upon them ?
We (& other countries who are pouring money and supplies !) are funding our own eventual destruction.
I don't think it's nonsense to say that.
Horrifying.
Omo.
Upsetting. The sheer joy on their faces is what upsets me. Cheering and fist pumping. Barbaric.
 
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