Italy - Prato, WhtFem, hanged, maps of Vancouver & Copenhagen, 13 Nov 2007

[Bit of hope]

As far as I know still only Milan makes their unidentified public in a database. It's kind of messy in Italy IMO....this is an article from 2016 but actually I have the feeling they still don't have everything under control.

https://www.nove.firenze.it/diritti-civili-gli-scomparsi-i-cadaveri-senza-nome-e-la-privacy.htm

Prefecture of Florence a regional agreement was recently signed to facilitate identification and facilitate the search for the missing with a control room for comparison with the database "This Florence is a sample protocol that will be exported to other regions - underlined the Extraordinary Commissioner Vittorio Piscitelli - and also to the ministries of Justice, Health and the University with the aim of creating a multidisciplinary and inter-institutional collaboration network throughout the national territory to solve the problem of unidentified bodies , which is rising in numbers and that today is no longer tolerable ".

What to do when a person without identification papers dies in a hospital or when an unidentified body is found? Until now, there was no single discipline in the sector .
From today in Tuscany all the data of the anonymous body such as the day and cause of death, the physical description, clothing, fingerprints, biological samples, dental examination and autopsy data will be collected in special international cards of the 'Interpol in order to build an identikit to compare with those contained in the RiSc - Ricerca Disapparsi, the database of the Public Security department, to verify the compatibility of the profiles.

Maybe they collect all the info now and they are busy building, but all together it's still not very transparent and they don't make it known to the public. There should be a public viewable national database with all the unidentified, the stats included. Maybe someone else can find a database like that, but I couldn't.

I find it ridiculous that communication to the public about missing and unidentified remains runs through an organization like RaiTV/Chi L'ha Visto. Just my opinion. Also they don't include older missing and unidentified cases (from my memory, there is nothing before 1986) and it's incomplete considering the stats.

 

[Giuc0]

They are nowhere near under control! Only Chi l'ha Visto and the association Penelope do a good job.

RAI is the Italian State TV, and Chi l'ha Visto is entirely produced by the RAI.
Chi l'ha visto? - Wikipedia I know, Wikipedia.

Penelope is a private NGO.

I say so because people out of Italy often think that Chi l'ha Visto is produced by a private company. It's entirely produced by the Italian State TV.

 

[Bit of hope]

They are nowhere near under control! Only Chi l'ha Visto and the association Penelope do a good job.

RAI is the Italian State TV, and Chi l'ha Visto is entirely produced by the RAI.
Chi l'ha visto? - Wikipedia I know, Wikipedia.

Penelope is a private NGO.

I say so because people out of Italy often think that Chi l'ha Visto is produced by a private company. It's entirely produced by the Italian State TV.

You are correct, but where does this getting us.....by no means it's really usable as a good source....far to sensational and they just put there what they want....there are a lot UID's missing on there, if you ask me. IMO. I think you get my point. BTW what's also very annoying to me is that they don't take away identified persons, like the Belgium couple. What is the use for keeping that up.....imagine it's your child, everybody still can see their death faces
........sensation is the motive. Yaggg....

 

[Bit of hope]

But back to where this has all started....how come there are no stats for this lady, we dedicated this thread to?

 

[Bit of hope]

I overlook my own posts on occasion

Personally, I can't figure out why this UID had the address of a somewhat random US stamp collector. I wonder if she was using a bit of humor - recipient finding it amusing to receive a card using the name of a famous Danish stamp collector. It seems to me the UID must know Mr Kreutzer in some way (she didn't just chose the address randomly). jmo


Mr. E J. Kreutzer
XXXX N. Alpine Heights Dr., Payson, AZ 85541-3355
Tel./Fax: 928-474-XXXX
elmerlXX@excite.com* (rtn 201507), krewXXX@cybertrails.com (c.2006; rtn 201507)Specialty: WWII Germany (Mint Sheets, Postcards, Photos)
old?: P. O. Box 211, Payson, AZ 85547 (c.1999)

AJ's Arizona Stamp Dealers Directory

*I've tried to X-out some of the personal info but it can all be seen at the link

Mr. Kreuzer is still around. His son in law also seems to be a writer of scientific articles, but on a totally different subject than this lady was interested in. Besides that I couldn't find an obvious connection.

 

[Bit of hope]

Cadavere senza nome trovato impiccato alla Pietà - Il Tirreno

Unnamed corpse found hanged at the Pietà MEADOW.
The body of an unnamed woman was found yesterday morning, hanged from an olive tree in via di Cavagliano, above the Salita dei Cappuccini. The macabre discovery was made by a passer-by around 8.30 and within a few minutes the street was filled with carabinieri. In fact, it was necessary to ensure that it was not a murder, a hypothesis rejected after the first inspection by the investigators.
According to the coroner, the death could date back to a few hours earlier, perhaps around 4 o'clock. It was still night, therefore, when the woman went up the road, she went into an olive grove and used a tin can to hoist herself up to branch of a tree. Then she tied a rope around her neck and dropped it. Death by suffocation occurred within seconds.
Nobody noticed the body hanging from the tree until yesterday morning, when a woman caught a glimpse of the silhouette and sounded the alarm.
The dead woman was dressed in a black sweater and smoky gray pants. Clear-skinned, with blond hair, she looks about 50 years old, but the carabinieri have not found any note to explain the gesture, nor identity documents. Only a few sheets with English writings, which however do not allow us to trace an address or identity.
The nameless corpse could belong to an Eastern European woman, perhaps a caregiver who serves in one of the many villas in the area, but this is only a hypothesis, because at the moment there are no reports of missing persons, nor any relative or acquaintance showed up with the police. The coroner was instructed by the deputy attorney on duty to perform an external examination on the body, which will remain at the Institute of Pathological Anatomy until it is identified.

 

[Bit of hope]

According to this the info must be there somewhere.

https://www.interno.gov.it/it/registro-generale-dei-cadaveri-non-identificati
To promote and develop common actions in the field of recognition and identification of bodies without identity, the Government's Extraordinary Commissioner for Missing Persons cooperates, through the stipulation of agreements, with local and national bodies on various fronts of the matter.

To this end, specific guidelines, methods of circulation of information, regulations for operational actions, forms, etc. have been defined.

All the information concerning the unidentified corpses flows into the national information system Ricerca Disapparsi (Ri.Sc.) which allows, among other things, the matching with the data collected on missing persons.

For the acquisition of information, the operators shared a model called Post mortem card (PM) on which all the data concerning the unidentified corpse are noted: the salient features, the condition of the corpse, the probable causes of death, the sampling of the biological sample, photos and other elements that can be considered useful for its identification.

 

[NsBs]

I noticed some new photos of her belongings. On one piece of paper she'd written "I love Niels Bohr" He was a danish physicist.

 

[Bit of hope]

I noticed some new photos of her belongings. On one piece of paper she'd written "I love Niels Bohr" He was a danish physicist.

Where did you see them? I can't seem to find them.

 

[Bit of hope]

Niels Bohr, BTW, was not just your average Danish physicist. Bohr, Niels

Niels Bohr was born in Copenhagen. He studied physics at the university there. After his master's degree in 1911, he was awarded a grant to continue his studies in England.

Bohr worked in Cambridge under JJ Thomson, the discoverer of the electron. He used Max Planck's quantum theory and Ernest Rutherford's atomic model, with whom he later worked in Manchester, to develop his own model of a hydrogen atom in 1913.

In 1916 he became professor and in 1920 director of the Institute of Theoretical Physics in Copenhagen. In the twenties he developed his model in a general sense. Bohr's "atomic model" formed the basis for atomic physics.

In 1943, Bohr escaped from German-occupied Denmark and traveled to the United States of America where he worked on the Manhattan Project. This was the name of the project under which America developed the atomic bomb during World War II. During the project Bohr realized that he was developing a terrible weapon. He tried to convince Winston Churchill of the necessity that several countries, including the Soviet Union, should come into possession of this weapon, so that not just one country could threaten with the weapon. In 1955 Bohr organized the Atoms for Peace conference in Geneva.

Niels Bohr was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1922.

 

[Bit of hope]

Her sunglasses were marked "Vinetic"

Infineon is originial based in Munchen, Germany. Vinetic (Voice and InterNet Enhanced Telephony Interface Circuit) is the first telephony chipset family from Infineon that integrates a full-powered DSP directly into the codec/SLIC, thereby offering a unique set of features for Voice over Packet (VoDSL, VoATM, VoIP) applications. Infineon's new VINETIC Family Drives Integration of Voice in Packet Based Telecommunication Networks to New Heights - Infineon Technologies

There is also a connection between laser technology and the making of microchips, as is explained here. This article was written in 2015, so a different scientific landscape, but maybe she was following all the new and potential scientific developments. Maybe Infineon was exploring this in 2007 already, try to make a very little lithography/picture with use of a laser.

Bohr was the inventor of the Hydrogen Atom. His invention of this Atom lead to the hydrogen bomb, H-bomb or thermonuclear bomb is an atomic bomb that obtains much of its explosive energy from nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to helium. Waterstofbom - Wikipedia

The woman in the article has accomplished to look inside this atom with laser light.

“I use laser light in different ways. Previously it was an extremely precise instrument for me to look inside a hydrogen atom. Now I use it as a powerful source for the production of extreme ultraviolet light, with which a new generation of microchips can be made".

Bekijk: De laser, het ultieme wetenschappelijke gereedschap

Lasers for microchips
Now at ARCNL, I use laser light as a powerful source, creating a plasma of tin atoms that emit extremely ultraviolet light with a very short wavelength. With this light you can apply extremely small structures to microchips . The technology is currently in full development. Yet at a fundamental level we do not yet fully understand how that process of plasma formation and light production works. We try to find out at ARCNL. We are looking for new fundamental-physical insights as well as for improving the technology.

 

[NsBs]

Where did you see them? I can't seem to find them.

In this link, pic no. 38

Trovata impiccata a Prato: chi era?

 

[Bit of hope]

In this link, pic no. 38

Trovata impiccata a Prato: chi era?

Thank you! Are we sure it says I love.... ?

 

[Susikatze]

Some of the handwriting samples (particularily the one about the Danish court) look very distinctively like from someone who learnt to write in Cyrillic and then writes Latin script. I know that type of cursive very well.
Also she was interested in science, maybe a scientist herself? And she only wrote in English (and Danish) but as i said you can tell from the cursive that she grew up writing a Cyrillic script (anything, really, cant tell if Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian or Bulgarian).

 

[Bit of hope]

In Polish they seem to say "I lowe Ju" ....I don't know..... I just can seem to identify the first letter as an I, compairing to the other written parts. Trovata impiccata a Prato: chi era?

 

[Dahoon]

Some of the handwriting samples (particularily the one about the Danish court) look very distinctively like from someone who learnt to write in Cyrillic and then writes Latin script. I know that type of cursive very well.

Looks to me like how all older people in my family write (I'm Danish). What makes you believe it is connected to Cyrillic?

Edit: the more I look at the writing in Danish the more confident I am that this could just as well have been written by my grandmother. Looking just at the handwriting and without being an expert my guess would be that it was written by a Dane, 50+ years old.

 

[NsBs]

Thank you! Are we sure it says I love.... ?

I'm sure it says "I lowe Niels Bohr" but seem like love is misspelled. It happens. Or it could be a little "swung" after the v.
It's also written on the back side of the "propagate"-note.
Niels Bohr in red ink and on the other side with blue ink.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

I stumbled across this case looking for someone else. Very fascinating and very odd that it has faded into a cold case over so many years. My first impression was this may have been an active researcher or an employee of a company involved in laser technologies, possibly attending both FOSS4G in Victoria Sept. 24-27, 2007 and Laser Florence November 9 2007. Here's a report on FOS4G2007 showing international attendee #s (21 from Italy, 2 from Denmark) and other statistics: https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2007/documents/foss4g2007_Final_Report_public.pdf

I'm leaning toward possibly someone less technical, perhaps someone involved with sales or marketing. Someone with a job justifying the travel expenses and with a working knowledge of the technologies, but not a scientist or engineer themselves. I say this because there didn't seem to be any meeting technical materials found and because scientists or engineers would likely dig deeper into technical topics than a Scientific American article.

Is it reasonable to assume the Italian investigators had already queried the conference organizers long ago about missing attendees? The trail is getting pretty cold after 14 years.

 

[branmuffin]

I'm sure it says "I lowe Niels Bohr" but seem like love is misspelled. It happens. Or it could be a little "swung" after the v.
It's also written on the back side of the "propagate"-note.
Niels Bohr in red ink and on the other side with blue ink.

In the blue inked note the word 'wave' is spelled as 'wawe' so I think it is just an idiosyncratic way the person writes.

When I look at the cursive writing I see writing that is European in nature. Maybe Polish, Italian, Danish, etc. I also wonder whether the writing style is from someone who learned to write cursive in German using a mix of the old style of writing mixed with the modern style. Especially the use of the letter 'v' as 'w'. Old German script shows very similar, almost identical ways to write those two letters.

I also don't believe the writing on the address for a subscription to the magazine for Henrik Eis is written by the same person (Photo 20) because the number 7 doesn't have the horizontal bar. Any other writing that appears in fragments have a serif on the number 1 and a horizontal bar across the 7.

 

[branmuffin]

I'm not sure if it's redundant but I found a better translation of that word salad of the finding of the UID.

I've noticed in a lot of translations the possessive is sometimes changed from 'she' to 'he' which makes it a bit confusing.

Google Translate

Edited to add: The article makes mention of velvet boots that were bought or at least manufactured and sold in Poland. Sometimes it's possible that the arcane clues might give a better indication of where this lady was from instead of the trove of written material found with her body.