James Bisset / Shannan Gilbert connection

[sleuther347]

I was apart of another small martial arts group. I visited Jerry's school once, the some of the rest of my school went multiple times. I never wrote anything on bullshido sites.

There's some good info on that site.

Haven't been able to find any good testimonial since 2010ish. But they've been active...

WOW! so you've met him? How would you describe him as a person?

 

[sleuther347]

WOW! so you've met him? How would you describe him as a person?

I mean, having met him and revealing what we now, is it shocking/surprising? Or did he seem like the type to prey on women and possibly more

 

[Sinix]

WOW! so you've met him? How would you describe him as a person?

All the descriptions you hear about him are true. It was an experience of a lifetime. Like I said, I'm absolutely flabbergasted they still exist almost a decade later. It's not like you can't visit him and his class if you don't want to either. Weird I haven't seen testimonials since like 2008ish though.

Curious how far his backpage type ads go. I see them going back like a year? That whole thing was a great find and is a real creepy twist in Sensei Jerry's story. I forgot about him for years.

In the link I posted, theres a guy that posts a real interesting perspective that's supportive of Jerry. He said they would lightly simulate rape situations.

 

[Sinix]

You'll like this quote:

Bob Donato and the likes were interesting guys, but nobody is perfect. In particular, my mom complained about Bob being too rough. Her theory that Sensei and Bob were especially rough with her because they “liked her” because she is tough (etc) is correct, as Sensei has admitted on multiple occasions… again, nobody is perfect! She had it with the black and blues from the wire with a metal ball on the end.

 

[sleuther347]

You'll like this quote:

I'm reading their website for more info on the type of moves he does. The group seems to cherish pain. Could Jerry be a Masochists? His students talk about their pain (even pain inflicted on them by Jerry) as if they are proud to have been hurt doing what they're doing. Could teaching people this make them as dangerous as him or more? More importantly..Does Jerry have a history of sexual deviance we can verify like an old partner, story, etc.) His ads, as Anxietkiller pointed out are very misleading and while the ad eludes to "fantasy thinking" Knowing it was him (Or someone with access to his email) wrote it makes me all the more suspicious.

Here is an excerpt written by one of there students (Or JP) about a hunt that took place in 2012.

"The danger on the hunt does not always come from being attacked, most serious injuries come from accidents and mishaps along the way. When training to live a life of action one must learn to avoid and overcome injuries. Deb H. is the perfect example of a fighter in training, she has the true heart of a warrior. If having a couple of teeth knocked out in last years hunt wasn't bad enough she managed to seperate her shoulder and sprain her ankle on this hunt and still finish the hunt. She has really been put to the test but when asked if she will go on next year's hunt she just smiles showing off the gap in her teeth and says "I wouldn't miss it for the world". That's the kind of character only the HUNT can build. In Jiu-Jitsu as in life!"

...Poor woman

 

[sleuther347]

Taken from the AIKIJIUJITSUKUNGFU website http://www.aikijiujitsukungfu.com/jjj3hun.htm

[FONT=&amp]"For more than 35 years Sensei Jerry has used his numerous contacts, associates and real-world expertise to create a 3-day adventure that will terrify and thrill you; it will expand your mind, and test your skills in a way that nothing else can."


Hunt Update 2012 - Who Survived THE HUNT![/FONT]
04-09-12 - 1 Baging, 1 Abduction, a Separated Sholder and a Sprained Ankle...

Belt students were chosen to lead the teams. That point was made clear at the start of day 1 when Dragonfly did not show up to meet her team. Apparrently she was bagged by the Hunters as soon as she left her house. Sensi hired serious professionals this time and they were targeting the high belts. Dragonfly was not the only one captured... "They always come at night" is what everyone was telling themselves but by 3am on the first night they all thought the attacks were not going to happen. They were wrong. At 4:30am, while sound asleep, Sky Dragon was dragged from his tent, sleeping bag and all like a giant inchworm. He was dragged for about a quarter of a mile and stuck head first into a muck-filled pond and left to find his own way back to his team with a good lesson for all, NEVER LET YOUR GUARD DOWN. Needless to say nobody went back to sleep that night.
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The spelling is absolutely atrocious but you all get the point. Im almost certain his students that go on the hunt don't all agree it was blast. What is so practical about being abducted from your home? There were more stories on their hunt page but they were removed recently. The farthest you can go back is 2012. There was another hunt in 2016.


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[Micha07]

Oh I thought you were making light of it, you didnt say how you were involved with the entertainment business. I assumed you had gone on your own volition as you say the woman who respond to this ad are doing. Did not mean to offend

Wait... what!?

What could have possibly suggested to you that I was in the vice industry of my own volition?

Oh wait... JJJ thought I was Leanne, and FYI, I am not.

Furthermore, where did I say that respondents of this ad were doing so of their own volition? I most certainly did not. It's entirely possible that a pimp would arrange a meet based off a Craigslist or Backpage advertisement and send someone along... if anyone actually responded, that is.

Something about some recent posts here don't add up. Can't quite put my finger on it...


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[Sinix]

I'm all for talking about how crazy Jerry is but he is really clumsy with all these ads. The LISK is good at being evasive. Smart and crafty. Jerry is loud and boisterous. I'm not sure the girls found in Gilgo would be the types to answer those ads either. Those ads might not be the only thing he's using though.

 

[sleuther347]

All the descriptions you hear about him are true. It was an experience of a lifetime. Like I said, I'm absolutely flabbergasted they still exist almost a decade later. It's not like you can't visit him and his class if you don't want to either. Weird I haven't seen testimonials since like 2008ish though.

Curious how far his backpage type ads go. I see them going back like a year? That whole thing was a great find and is a real creepy twist in Sensei Jerry's story. I forgot about him for years.

In the link I posted, theres a guy that posts a real interesting perspective that's supportive of Jerry. He said they would lightly simulate rape situations.

I remember reading about this group years ago and laughing at their website...not so much now. There were certainly more hunt stories but someone deleted them in the last update. This is a Backpage post from thursday morning. The ad is exactly the same as the one on craigslist and the responding email matches the direct link to JP on http://www.aikijiujitsukungfu.com/jjj6cont.htm

http://longisland.backpage.com/MenS...-a-perfect-fwb-arrangement-look-here/96773889

(MODS DO NOT DELETE)

 

[sleuther347]

Taking money for favours is how you become a pro. It is exploitation of women, however you look at it, and that is what prostitution is.

Plus, what would a woman who wasn't looking to earn from their physical assets be doing reading such an advertisement?

Whoever the author of that advert is is in denial about paying women to let him exploit them. A lot of men who are uncomfortable with paying for it often try to rationalise it or deny that that is what they are doing.

Honestly, I'm not talking out of my backside here. I do know a thing or two about the adult entertainment industry. I was in it long enough!


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You said women looking to earn from their physical assets and that implies willful action. I'm still not understanding your take about the adult industry..Were you sold into sex slavery, were you a prostitute or something of that nature? those are usually individuals who are forced or coerced into the business by someone else looking to use them.

 

[sleuther347]

Wait... what!?

What could have possibly suggested to you that I was in the vice industry of my own volition?

Oh wait... JJJ thought I was Leanne, and FYI, I am not.

Furthermore, where did I say that respondents of this ad were doing so of their own volition? I most certainly did not. It's entirely possible that a pimp would arrange a meet based off a Craigslist or Backpage advertisement and send someone along... if anyone actually responded, that is.

Something about some recent posts here don't add up. Can't quite put my finger on it...


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Is VICE the same as entertainment? You wrote the entertainment industry first. I dont know I was never involved with prostitution or the adult industry forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject.

 

[Micha07]

You said women looking to earn from their physical assets and that implies willful action. I'm still not understanding your take about the adult industry..Were you sold into sex slavery, were you a prostitute or something of that nature? those are usually individuals who are forced or coerced into the business by someone else looking to use them.

That's not actually any of your business.


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[sleuther347]

That's not actually any of your business.


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I'm only asking questions based off what you told me to get a better understanding of (not who you are) but of what you are writing. If you are uncomfortable explaining yourself, you should not volunteer that information publicly. Its better to drop this topic you speak of.

 

[Micha07]

I'm only asking questions based off what you told me to get a better understanding of (not who you are) but of what you saying. If you are uncomfortable explaining yourself, you should not volunteer that information publicly. Its better to drop this topic you speak of.

No, what I have shared is relevant and as far as I am willing to go publicly. I have not told YOU information, these are not private messages so I have told the entire forum information of my experiences to show how I am coming to my conclusions, thoughts and opinions.

The specifics of my experience are not relevant - the specifics of the actual victims experiences might be though.

This is not an AMA thread. I do not have to volunteer personal information to a strangers questions.

And I don't take well to taking instructions from anyone who is not in a position of authority so I will drop nothing on your say so.


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[sleuther347]

No, what I have shared is relevant and as far as I am willing to go publicly. I have not told YOU information, these are not private messages so I have told the entire forum information of my experiences to show how I am coming to my conclusions, thoughts and opinions.

The specifics of my experience are not relevant - the specifics of the actual victims experiences might be though.

This is not an AMA thread. I do not have to volunteer personal information to a strangers questions.

And I don't take well to taking instructions from anyone who is not in a position of authority so I will drop nothing on your say so.


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Your argumentative tone is un-called for.

 

[anxietykiller]

I think we're making this more complicated than it needs to be.

-FBI was kept out of investigation (Burke kept them out)
-Spota was made into a star in the DAs office because of Burke and the Pius case
-Spota was a mentee of Patrick Henry(former DA)
-Lindsay Henry is Patricks son
-Lindsay Henry's sister is a judge
-Lindsay Henry and Burke, according to Lindsay, are best friends
-Lindsay is arrogant, egocentric, and brazen in that he posts on a site known for trading sex with money and not even bothering to hide
-Lindsay has a history of domestic abuse and use of escorts according to Leanne
-Burke has a history of reckless, arrogant behavior
-Burke has a history of procuring escorts
-Burke has a history of covering up his criminal indiscretions with the assistance of Spota
-Burke had sex with an escort in Oak Beach during the investigation
-Spota and Burke ran the LISK investigation
-Lindsay grew up in the area and fished on the Great South Bay
-Lindsay moved to Oak Beach in 2012 while there was an "Active serial killer" dumping women, with his two young daughters (who does that?)
-Lindsay was in New Bedford during the time of their serial murder spree
-Lindsay was questioned in the case PRIOR to Leanne tipping on him
-Detective Patrick Portela, head of the task force, told Lindsay that Leanne had been tipping on him
-Lindsay resigned from his post as a councilman in May under the guise that he was focusing on his "engagement", which is actually to a girl he keeps doped up. She is also an escort.

TADA!

I think that the arrogance of Lindsay Henry is consistent with someone who would call the police taunting them, or someone who would move into the area after having dumped those remains.

IMO, to not think that this trio is highly suspect would be foolish.

I could go on. We all know where I stand.

 

[anxietykiller]

He specifically request NON-PROFESSIONAL women. He doesnt want a professional for whatever reason, but the sheer volume of these posts is alarming (atleast to me). Wouldn't be expecting a Kung Fu teacher to be ferociously scouting the net for desperate women to exploit

Why would LISK NOT want a "professional" woman? That puts his victim into a higher risk category for him. PLUS, when guys say they don't want a professional, what they mean is that they want a sugar baby. Sugar babies are girls they have ongoing arrangements with and they are usually more than just escorts in my experience. Some go to school, work, have families, may be even married, but are looking to supplement their income. LISK could very well have one go to sugar baby, but he wouldn't prey on them. Its still risky to sugar babe, but they would be higher risk for LISK to target. Thats why Leanne may not have been a victim of the person that I think is LISK. She was in school. She obviously has some powerful friends/benefactors if she was sitting in a 2500 dollar (assuming it was the full length) Burberry jacket during that press conference (sorry I notice stupid things like that).

 

[sleuther347]

I think we're making this more complicated than it needs to be.

-FBI was kept out of investigation (Burke kept them out)
-Spota was made into a star in the DAs office because of Burke and the Pius case
-Spota was a mentee of Patrick Henry(former DA)
-Lindsay Henry is Patricks son
-Lindsay Henry's sister is a judge
-Lindsay Henry and Burke, according to Lindsay, are best friends
-Lindsay is arrogant, egocentric, and brazen in that he posts on a site known for trading sex with money and not even bothering to hide
-Lindsay has a history of domestic abuse and use of escorts according to Leanne
-Burke has a history of reckless, arrogant behavior
-Burke has a history of procuring escorts
-Burke has a history of covering up his criminal indiscretions with the assistance of Spota
-Burke had sex with an escort in Oak Beach during the investigation
-Spota and Burke ran the LISK investigation
-Lindsay grew up in the area and fished on the Great South Bay
-Lindsay moved to Oak Beach in 2012 while there was an "Active serial killer" dumping women, with his two young daughters (who does that?)
-Lindsay was in New Bedford during the time of their serial murder spree
-Lindsay was questioned in the case PRIOR to Leanne tipping on him
-Detective Patrick Portela, head of the task force, told Lindsay that Leanne had been tipping on him
-Lindsay resigned from his post as a councilman in May under the guise that he was focusing on his "engagement", which is actually to a girl he keeps doped up. She is also an escort.

TADA!

I think that the arrogance of Lindsay Henry is consistent with someone who would call the police taunting them, or someone who would move into the area after having dumped those remains.

IMO, to not think that this trio is highly suspect would be foolish.

I could go on. We all know where I stand.

Suspicious indeed, but did they really have the time to dismember bodies and hide them several miles away from each other only to be found years later? If this is a trio and Burke was "involved" in the murders, why would the Chief of police not make sure his own team would never have evidence to investigate? My guess is, that it's because he didn't have the power at his disposal. He had a lot certainly to afford so many escorts and travel long distances with human remains undetected (All facts, LISK did these things). Maybe a truck? I AM not dismissing your case, it could very well be valid however much more circumstantial than a violent man actively posting online as the same site as a serial killer, actively looking for women to exploit. If AnxietyKiller found craigslist post from any of them, It would possibly then be worth looking into more

 

[anxietykiller]

I dont think that Burke committed the murders. I think that Lindsay did and Burke realized it in the course of the investigation, therefore, he and Spota colluded to cover it up. Lindsay has stuff on both of them, including evidence of Burkes nefarious activities. The Feds wanted Burke and Spota way before Christopher Loeb stepped into the fray.

That being said, just because LISK left evidence behind doesn't mean that Burke couldn't be LISK or have participated. LISK is a trophy killer. That was his personal graveyard and I GUARANTEE you that he went back there to relive the crimes. I believe he is someone with an excuse to be in the area and to up the ante, likely went back during the daylight, possibly with others around who had no idea what was near them. He relished in that.

 

[anxietykiller]

Why did Portela (promoted to homicide by burke) go back and tell Lindsay that Leanne had been tipping on him?