Spain Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

[markoid]

With the autopsy now in, and confirmation of injuries consistent with a fall, Brad and Lucy’s testimony: off road and lost, can we put this one to bed as death by misdadventure - please. RIP Jay.

Jay Slater: body found in Tenerife is that of missing Briton, autopsy confirms

Lancashire teenager disappeared after attending music festival on the island four weeks ago

www.theguardian.com

 

[suzyjackson]

I didnt think the body would be in a decent state to do fingerprints.

I don't have any specialist knowledge but I assume one doesn't need 10 fully intact fingers to take enough of a print to identify someone whose prints will already be on file. I mean they've done it so it was obviously possible.

 

[suzyjackson]

With the autopsy now in, and confirmation of injuries consistent with a fall, Brad and Lucy’s testimony: off road and lost, can we put this one to bed as death by misdadventure - please. RIP Jay.

Jay Slater: body found in Tenerife is that of missing Briton, autopsy confirms

Lancashire teenager disappeared after attending music festival on the island four weeks ago

www.theguardian.com

You'd hope but I think it's unlikely, maybe on here as members have a few more brain cells than in other places where all that will happen is that new tin hat theories will appear.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813205724278730765

 

[suzyjackson]

Cororner confirms that the death was consistent with a fall

Jay Slater latest: Teenager's mother says 'our hearts are broken' after death confirmed

The 19-year-old's injuries were "consistent with a fall in a rocky area", the Canary Islands Higher Court of Justice says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[su5ie]

With the autopsy now in, and confirmation of injuries consistent with a fall, Brad and Lucy’s testimony: off road and lost, can we put this one to bed as death by misdadventure - please. RIP Jay.

Jay Slater: body found in Tenerife is that of missing Briton, autopsy confirms

Lancashire teenager disappeared after attending music festival on the island four weeks ago

www.theguardian.com

The only comments that should be made on SM if people feel the the need to say something are condolences and thoughts and prayers for Mum Debbie, DaD Warren ,Jay's siblings ,step dad and extended family anything else is adding to the pain and distress his family will be and have been experiencing. RIP JAY SLATER YOUR IN THE ARMS OF THE ANGELS NOW

 

[Mack the Knife]

Wow….



Williams-Thomas told The Mirror the family received 'two videos posted of separate people, meant to be Jay, having been beaten up'.

One clip allegedly featured the 'We have your son', with the detective saying it was 'created for publication by someone wanting to give the impression they had Jay held hostage'.

He explained that 'within hours' they had established that Slater was not the individual depicted in the videos.

The investigator also revealed that the family have been contacted by people who said 'they have Jay and will give information in exchange for a sum of money'.

'What has taken up the most time has been investigating the many theories and the false information that gathered traction on social media and then subsequently in the media,' he told the newspaper.

'You will understand that the family lived in hope of every new piece of information that Jay was alive, so they all needed to be investigated.'

Jay Slater's 'totally devastated' mother demands answers

Jay Slater's mother Debbie Duncan, 55, has 'lots of questions which she hopes will be answered in the coming days,' a source close to the family has claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I have not followed this case closely, and not followed it at all through social media or the daily mail.

Is there a reason why this case brought so many malicious opportunists and outright harassers? I’m sure that the loved ones of missing persons get harassed more often than we hear about, but as I recall, Jay’s mother received such messages as soon as she got to Tenerife. People go missing all the time, so what was it about Jay Slater that inspired so many people to stage fake kidnappings?

 

[Winterbells]

Cororner confirms that the death was consistent with a fall

Jay Slater latest: Teenager's mother says 'our hearts are broken' after death confirmed

The 19-year-old's injuries were "consistent with a fall in a rocky area", the Canary Islands Higher Court of Justice says.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The result of the preliminary autopsy indicates that the cause of death is due to a fall or precipitation," police say.

What does 'precipitation' mean?

edited:
I've looked it up

precipitate in British English​

verb (prɪˈsɪpɪˌteɪt )
1. (transitive)
to cause to happen too soon or sooner than expected; bring on

2.
to throw or fall from or as from a height

3.
to cause (moisture) to condense and fall as snow, rain, etc, or (of moisture, rain, etc) to condense and fall thus

4. chemistry
to undergo or cause to undergo a process in which a dissolved substance separates from solution as a fine suspension of solid particles

adjective (prɪˈsɪpɪtɪt )
5.
rushing ahead

6.
done rashly or with undue haste

7.
sudden and brief

noun (prɪˈsɪpɪtɪt )
8. chemistry
a precipitated solid in its suspended form or after settling or filtering

Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/precipitate

 

[Dotta]

This is the End...

"Matthew Searle,
from the British overseas missing person charity LBT Global,
said it was working with Slater’s family on the next steps,
which would include recovering his belongings and repatriating his body.

He said
further details about travel plans
and funeral arrangements
would not be released at this stage
and asked for privacy for Slater’s family.

He also called for an end to
'hurtful comments on social media and elsewhere',
referring to conspiracy theories that have spread rapidly online
since Slater’s disappearance.

Slater’s mother,
Debbie Duncan,
said in a statement that confirmation of his death was
the 'worst news'.

'I just can’t believe this could happen to my beautiful boy,

Our hearts are broken'.”

Jay Slater: body found in Tenerife is that of missing Briton, autopsy confirms | UK news | The Guardian

amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[suzyjackson]

"The result of the preliminary autopsy indicates that the cause of death is due to a fall or precipitation," police say.

What does 'precipitation' mean?

I'd say possibly a translation quirk, in the context we'd use it for rain falling I can see that there might be a falling from a height connotation here. Maybe a Spanish speaker could help

JMO

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I have not followed this case closely, and not followed it at all through social media or the daily mail.

Is there a reason why this case brought so many malicious opportunists and outright harassers? I’m sure that the loved ones of missing persons get harassed more often than we hear about, but as I recall, Jay’s mother received such messages as soon as she got to Tenerife. People go missing all the time, so what was it about Jay Slater that inspired so many people to stage fake kidnappings?

There were - and still are - so many strange things about what happened that night. It’s not like your typical missing hiker case because the back story to why Jay was even in Masca, miles away from his mates, his hotel and the party, is interesting and suspicious. Once the info came out about Jay’s past and a suggestion he’d been taken, the rumour mill just snowballed.

I’m afraid we’re going to see this more and more now. Ultimately there seems to be a social paranoia and mistrust of authority. From a sociological point of view it’s really quite fascinating.

 

[Bahshudc]

I'd say possibly a translation quirk, in the context we'd use it for rain falling I can see that there might be a falling from a height connotation here. Maybe a Spanish speaker could help

JMO

Yes, just Googled and it’s a Latin derivative. “Falling from height” basically.

 

[suzyjackson]

I have not followed this case closely, and not followed it at all through social media or the daily mail.

Is there a reason why this case brought so many malicious opportunists and outright harassers? I’m sure that the loved ones of missing persons get harassed more often than we hear about, but as I recall, Jay’s mother received such messages as soon as she got to Tenerife. People go missing all the time, so what was it about Jay Slater that inspired so many people to stage fake kidnappings?

I'm not on tiktok and didn't know that people were staging fake kidnappings (just assuming its from there as I haven't seen it on other SM), that's pretty messed up, what on earth would possess anyone to do that?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm not on tiktok and didn't know that people were staging fake kidnappings (just assuming its from there as I haven't seen it on other SM), that's pretty messed up, what on earth would possess anyone to do that?

Sickos and thickos, Suzy. Lack of critical thinking. Lack of empathy. A lust for likes.

I think those who contacted Jay’s family saying they had him should be tracked down and prosecuted. My opinion only.

 

[Winterbells]

I'd say possibly a translation quirk, in the context we'd use it for rain falling I can see that there might be a falling from a height connotation here. Maybe a Spanish speaker could help

JMO

I just looked it up and edited my post.
meaning number 2 must be the relevant one in this case

2.
to throw or fall from or as from a height

 

[suzyjackson]

Sickos and thickos, Suzy. Lack of critical thinking. Lack of empathy. A lust for likes.

I think those who contacted Jay’s family saying they had him should be tracked down and prosecuted. My opinion only.

ITA, I don't know how you'd even stage a fake kidnapping, with actors?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

ITA, I don't know how you'd even stage a fake kidnapping, with actors?

The frightening thing is they don’t even need people these days, they have AI. It is only going to get worse.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Yes, just Googled and it’s a Latin derivative. “Falling from height” basically.

In the context it was used, a "fall or precipitation" might mean he either fell or was pushed. From the autopsy and the injuries it might not be easy (or possible) to tell which.

 

[suzyjackson]

The frightening thing is they don’t even need people these days, they have AI. It is only going to get worse.

Oh, I hadn't even thought of that, it's all very worrying

 

[Winterbells]

Yes, just Googled and it’s a Latin derivative. “Falling from height” basically.

"The result of the preliminary autopsy indicates that the cause of death is due to a fall or precipitation," police say.

So if precipitation means fall, the above statement means he either fell or he fell.
I'm wondering why it's been phrased an an either/or statement, ie, that Jay either fell or it was 'precipitaion'.
And, since Chambers dictionary defines 'precipate' as "to throw or fall from or as from a height", the preliminary autopsy is either one of a fall or a throw from a great height.

At the risk of being accused of being a conspiraloon, I am not sure I'd interpret the preliminary autopsy statement from the police as meaning Jay's death was likely due to a 'fall' and nothing but a 'fall'.