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I agree, even half a mile in those conditions and Jay's state might have been the furthest he got, are there any cliff edges that fit that radius?Most of us can walk a mile in 15-20 mins, but not in that terrain IMO, so I'd hazard a guess it was 1/2 - 3/4 mile from the end of the track.
So you think they decided to go right back to the beginning and start the search again ? I read that they were with the Dutch team at the last ping location. That would make sense as the Dutch needed to be shown where to start
I'm sure I saw a suggestion yesterday that they might have kept the discovery secret but I can't find the post now, the reporters on the scene are all saying it happened yesterday so I'm not sure that there's any kind of cover up.In what way were they at 'the beginning' when they were some 20 minutes away from the last ping?
They'd likely swept the entire area when they thought there was a chance of finding him alive and were now revisiting the more inaccessible spots discreetly and in their own time in an attempt, tragically, to recover remains.
It's also possible they found the body the day before as getting the helicopter team in might have taken time.
I don't know about the Dutch team. It's my understanding they never really got started.
I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.I don't have any specialist knowledge but I assume one doesn't need 10 fully intact fingers to take enough of a print to identify someone whose prints will already be on file. I mean they've done it so it was obviously possible.
I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.
Fingerprints last between 4 and 40 days- as he had previously had all 10 recorded, some may have been better preserved than others. The weather up in the mountains isn’t as extreme as down near the beaches, he was also probably sheltered by ground cover and hanging rocks. They also have good techniques for getting a fingerprint (and they only need one). In this case as they had 10 clear examples to compare with it was a good idea to attempt it whilst awaiting dna confirmation.I mean i didnt think the body would be in that decent of a state for fingerprints due to decomposition after so long but as someone stated above he could have been sheltered from the elements.
Fingerprints can be lifted, even if a body has gone through considerable decomposition, it's a little more challenging though.
I'm sure I saw a suggestion yesterday that they might have kept the discovery secret but I can't find the post now, the reporters on the scene are all saying it happened yesterday so I'm not sure that there's any kind of cover up.
I find it strange that the same thing was said about MM, I don't think rescue services leave bodies out in the wild unattended overnight do they? IMO we don't have to doubt every facet of everything, overwhelmingly in life things are exactly as they seem, it's not one big conspiracy
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They won’t get the DNA results for several days, I think they just decided to attempt fingerprints knowing they had 10 chances and it worked. The DNA will still be done I’m sure.I am sure I have read a Spanish-language report which said that Jay was identified using DNA. I will see if I can find it again (and provide a link).
Not specifically aimed at you Guiser, but it really doesn’t matter whether he was found the day before and it was kept quiet and only family were informed. The rescue of his body was complex and may have taken planning and time, so there may well have been a delay. There have been no official announcements in this case, the press has broken the story- so maybe it was known that they had suspicions, but couldn’t properly access the area and gave the family a heads up. It was only the following morning they had the right equipment to properly go down and informally identify it was a human, not an animal and recover him.I read elsewhere that his friends were putting out RIP messages the night before which is giving the conspiracists yet another reason to get excited.
I'm only rationalising it by suggesting that if that's the case, the helicopter team may not have had time to assemble and complete a difficult recvovery before dark.
I'm only rationalising it by suggesting that if that's the case, the helicopter team may not have had time to assemble and complete a difficult recvovery before dark.
Surely it's because people think they 'could've made the walk without water' that these tragedies keep happening.Yeah I never understood that. It wasn't desert like conditions. I'm a fit 46 year old and I'm fairly sure i could've made the 11 hour walk without water. Obviously it'd be torturous but a fit young man like Jay would've managed it. RIP young man. Irrespective of his past it's a heartbreaking end to a person who'll never get a chance to raise his own kids. I hope all the speculation is killed off now and MWT never darkens our doorstep again.
I think the difference is a fall which included obstructions and tumbling on the way down (causing injuries/death)? and a very fast straight fall which caused death at the bottom - as a fall from a precipice, which is an overhanging or vertical and very dangerous type of cliff."The result of the preliminary autopsy indicates that the cause of death is due to a fall or precipitation," police say.
So if precipitation means fall, the above statement means he either fell or he fell.
I'm wondering why it's been phrased an an either/or statement, ie, that Jay either fell or it was 'precipitaion'.
And, since Chambers dictionary defines 'precipate' as "to throw or fall from or as from a height", the preliminary autopsy is either one of a fall or a throw from a great height.
At the risk of being accused of being a conspiraloon, I am not sure I'd interpret the preliminary autopsy statement from the police as meaning Jay's death was likely due to a 'fall' and nothing but a 'fall'.
That clears up the timing of when he was found. If Tenerife has anything like our air ambulance service it wouldn't take any time to mobilise the helicopter and winch up the body and searchersThe almost inaccessible spot where he died is only a few hundred yards from areas which were repeatedly searched for almost a month by police, volunteers and members of his family after his disappearance on June 17.
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Jay Slater was found dead at around 10am on Monday July 15 after almost a month of searching by Spanish authorities
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Jay Slater's final hours: Map reveals teen's route before 'fatal fall'
Local residents who know the area have speculated that he may have fallen while heading towards the sea so he could follow the coast to return to his hotel.www.dailymail.co.uk
The Civil Guard in Tenerife confirmed today the missing man’s body found in a ravine near the village of Masca was his and said everything was pointing to him dying in an accidental fall. They also said his injuries had included broken bones in a statement released shortly after court officials also revealed Jay’s identity had been confirmed through fingerprints after initially claiming full identification wouldn’t happen till “next week” because the body was “very deteriorated.”
The question of whether police now have a watch the 19-year-old apprentice bricklayer reportedly confessed to stealing from a reveller during an altercation outside Papagayo Beach Club near his holiday accommodation, remained unanswered last night.
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Spanish cops refuse to say whether Jay's 'stolen' £12k Rolex has been recovered
It is alleged Jay Slater had confessed to stealing the Rolex watch before his death but The Civil Guard in Tenerife remained coy when asked questions about the claimswww.mirror.co.uk