"Jersey" and MW

[Pensfan]

I wonder if it's possible that the neighbor went over to MW's on this "liquor run", and DB later called the number looking for the neighbor. "Hey, where are you? Come get your kid!"

Good idea about the "liquor run".

Maybe Megan's phone was the neighborhood hotline for partying neighbors looking for some "click click". If this is the case, then Megan is only a red herring in Lisa's disappearance.

 

[katshep]

Ok. . .I guess that makes it a little clearer, in that, we can't know if it's clear or not. Clear as mud, huh?

This is all MOO. . .

But my problem with Jersey is what would be his motive?

LE has said he was not a suspect, or was it that they "cleared" him? Now, he's been sitting in jail since early Oct. Has he been polygraphed? DNA taken? I'm assuming LE has run his fingerprints. He might be singing like a canary for all we know. We don't know any of those answers because LE isn't telling us.

We know he is MW's ex, so she says. We know he's a burglar, petty thief, and that she was selling a GPS on Craigslist. So what's the connection between them and DB or PN? Drugs? Stolen goods maybe?

I'm on the fence about if he is involved, but I don't think he acted alone. And there is still that pesky dog hit inside DB's bedroom. Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.

Jersey was on probation. One of the conditions of nearly every probation order since evidentiary acceptance of DNA is that the defendant will consent to a search and give a DNA sample. Usually that is taken at the time the party is convicted, if not before. Jersey has a rap sheet. They have his DNA.
We don't know if MW was selling a stolen GPS. She has not been charged with receipt of or sale of stolen property. We don't know if she has a legitimate means of support. She is living in a group house which raises flags. She is affiliated with the Juggalos which the FBI has characterized as a gang with a history of violent criminal activity--another flag. Her ex-boyfriend is a known criminal and is linked to the scene--another flag. For those who will get in a high dudgeon about guilt by association, I am not saying she is guilty, I am saying these are suspicious circumstances.
She is having daily media interviews, the only individual in this case since Attorney Short to do so and nobody is shutting her up. I believe she is cooperating with law enforcement maybe with use immunity; otherwise, why all the press? I don't think she is very credible, and I don't know why.
But, I think LE enforcement has been investigating from the perimeter to the center and the pieces are falling together.

 

[21merc7]

Are we on the same page that either DB or JI made this call at 8:30 to MW's phone? There's so much confusion about the four phones and mystery calls. If we are going to assume that the 8:30 call actually took place (it probably did because police did take MW's phone), can we assume that either DB or JI made the call, or can that be disputed?

If we assume the call is real, and assume the phones were on the kitchen counter, and assume one of them could dial out, we can assume anyone that passed the kitchen counter could have made the call. :crazy:

 

[Pensfan]

Are we on the same page that either DB or JI made this call at 8:30 to MW's phone? There's so much confusion about the four phones and mystery calls. If we are going to assume that the 8:30 call actually took place (it probably did because police did take MW's phone), can we assume that either DB or JI made the call, or can that be disputed?

PN was also at the home that night according to MSM articles.

 

[SurfieTX]

Ok. . .I guess that makes it a little clearer, in that, we can't know if it's clear or not. Clear as mud, huh?

This is all MOO. . .

But my problem with Jersey is what would be his motive?

LE has said he was not a suspect, or was it that they "cleared" him? Now, he's been sitting in jail since early Oct. Has he been polygraphed? DNA taken? I'm assuming LE has run his fingerprints. He might be singing like a canary for all we know. We don't know any of those answers because LE isn't telling us.

We know he is MW's ex, so she says. We know he's a burglar, petty thief, and that she was selling a GPS on Craigslist. So what's the connection between them and DB or PN? Drugs? Stolen goods maybe?

I'm on the fence about if he is involved, but I don't think he acted alone. And there is still that pesky dog hit inside DB's bedroom. Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.

My guess is drugs. I see no other reason for a stay-at-home mother of 3 with a significant other to associate with a flop house, its inhabitants, and a transient with a criminal background.

MOO and all other disclaimers......

 

[Bemsmom]

Absolutely, understood. Its that way in my own neighborhood.
However, the still leaves the neighbor saying Jersey was the one handling the sprinklers..and that they were turned off late in the night. By whom? She doesn't know, didn't see. Was Jersey back in the neighborhood that night to turn them off himself? For me, respectfully, thats the point of the sprinkler conversation, rather than the finer points of lawncare

I think the issue is we can only ASSUME he came back and turned the sprinklers off. For all WE know, another neighbor may have seem the sprinklers going for 8 hours and decided to turn them off.

I am not saying Jersey is not involved, but I find it interesting that he was known for breaking and entering through windows, and the screen was bent. The police tried to get through, and didn't do a good job of it, presumably made a lot of noise. Plus he knows people know about his routines, why would he go to his old MO? Especially in the front of the house. I mean that would immediately point a finger at him. To me that screams set up or smokescreen. I can see him being responsible for the dumpster fire but arsonist does not equal kidnapper. I mean arson is felony (or can be) but kidnapping is a federal offense.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit.

 

[natsound]

If we assume the call is real, and assume the phones were on the kitchen counter, and assume one of them could dial out, we can assume anyone that passed the kitchen counter could have made the call. :crazy:

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

 

[21merc7]

But my problem with Jersey is what would be his motive?

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I have learned that most people don't really have motive, they were just messed up on something and did something bad. Probably 97% of the murders in the City I am in is for no reason at all, just bad people (usually just out of jail but not always), get high and hurt people. The others would fall into revenge, drug money, relationship, and rarely accident.

 

[21merc7]

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

Also, brother, children (which would be an ironic misdial), I think that is all for that hour. At least that is all that I am aware of, that have been reported in MSM as having been there. Who knows if other people came by or not?

 

[norest4thewicked]

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

Next we will hear that one of the boys or the little 4 year old neighbor girl made the call. This is so far beyond a circus that it's sickening.

 

[CharlestonGal]

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

The brother.

 

[natsound]

Also, brother, children (which would be an ironic misdial), I think that is all for that hour.

Brother, right.

I don't see the children making this call.

In any event, we can assume that DB was caught in a lie here... about the three phones not working. What would be her motive to lie about this?

 

[dovebar]

It's possible that DB was told the phone was restricted because either the person she borrowed it from didn't want a lot of calls made, or JI told her that because he didn't want to pay for calls or wanted her to stay off the phone.

It's possible she had MW's number on her hand because she wanted to call MW - not Jersey. Maybe she saw him passing and got the number from him. Maybe he's been acting like they broke up but it was a friendly breakup. Maybe they weren't broken up. Maybe they did but it was friendlier than MW is making it out to be. At any rate, maybe DB was simply being herself - friendly and looking to reconnect with MW. Maybe she was looking for a future babysitter. There are lots of innocent reasons why she might have MW's number.

Jersey shaving his head - I think he did it to avoid leaving fibers. He planned this for the money, to sell the baby. That's why he actually took enough care to change her diapers in the abandoned house. If it wasn't him that the second witness saw, I think he'd already sold and handed off the child. As usual, MOO - but I think it's entirely likely. That's who he is - a burglar who sells things for money. Children are commodities in the drug world and the news is full of kids being sold to dealers for money.

 

[natsound]

Next we will hear that one of the boys or the little 4 year old neighbor girl made the call. This is so far beyond a circus that it's sickening.

I know, that's why I'm trying to sort through the smoke and get to brass tacks (like the swanky language? woo hoo! :woohoo

 

[twall]

Next we will hear that one of the boys or the little 4 year old neighbor girl made the call. This is so far beyond a circus that it's sickening.

Don't forget the stray kitten! :floorlaugh:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

JI was at work at 8:30. So that would only leave, DB, SB, or possibly PN (IF he was there).

ETA: Oh wait...you said IF the phone was in JI's possession. Interesting. But then, of course, DB would have been lying about the phones all being on the kitchen counter. (Not that I think she wouldn't lie, I definitely do!).

ETA again: But then, LE would surely know if the phone was used somewhere away from the home, wouldn't they? :waitasec:

 

[scmom]

So either DB, JI (if the phone was in his possession), or the drinking neighbor. Anyone else?

Who knows. LE has been wanting to talk to the parents to find out who was in the house that day/night and the parents aren't disclosing that information. At least that's the way I understand it.

 

[Pensfan]

I think the issue is we can only ASSUME he came back and turned the sprinklers off. For all WE know, another neighbor may have seem the sprinklers going for 8 hours and decided to turn them off.

I am not saying Jersey is not involved, but I find it interesting that he was known for breaking and entering through windows, and the screen was bent. The police tried to get through, and didn't do a good job of it, presumably made a lot of noise. Plus he knows people know about his routines, why would he go to his old MO? Especially in the front of the house. I mean that would immediately point a finger at him. To me that screams set up or smokescreen. I can see him being responsible for the dumpster fire but arsonist does not equal kidnapper. I mean arson is felony (or can be) but kidnapping is a federal offense.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit.

I think you are right. Anyone who spent time in a federal penitentiary would likely be wise enough to NOT walk around town holding an partially clothed deceased or unconscious (not crying) baby at 4 am.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Where the heck was he sleeping? I never even heard he was at the house until yesterday. Had anyone else?

This is the brother who was at lisa's house and went to the store with deb at 4:30. He then returned with deb to the house at about 5pm. He then left the house sometime before 5:30pm when jeremy left for work. This info is from msm.

I haven't seen anything about him returning to lisa's that night. except rumor.

I did read an article that he spoke with le yesterday.

edit: sorry. I just realized I posted this in the wrong thread.

 

[21merc7]

JI was at work at 8:30. So that would only leave, DB, SB, or possibly PN (IF he was there).

ETA: Oh wait...you said IF the phone was in JI's possession. Interesting. But then, of course, DB would have been lying about the phones all being on the kitchen counter. (Not that I think she wouldn't lie, I definitely do!).

ETA again: But then, LE would surely know if the phone was used somewhere away from the home, wouldn't they? :waitasec:

BBM

Not if they are going by pings and the phone was used close to the home/cell tower.