"Jersey" and MW #3

[Sherbie]

That's just it, deoneta - we have such incomplete and (mostly) unconfirmed info that it's difficult to come up with any theory that can't have holes poked in it. I don't think it's impossible in the realm of all "what-ifs" that Jersey could be involved somehow; however, based on what we know as fact thus far, I can't put Jersey in or around the home that evening. The phone call hasn't been linked to him, but to someone he knows. I imagine many other people know and have MW's phone number as well.

At this point, all roads lead back to DB in one form or another. Whether it's as an actor, accessory/accomplice or misguided victim, she holds the key, IMO.

 

[cityslick]

Yes, when the person you called answers the phone.

If the call went to the Verizon message saying you need to pay your bill or else I think an accidental dial to a wrong number and the correct number would have sounded exactly the same. MOO.

It's this right here that makes the vm and internet attempts make no sense. She (or Jersey or anyone else) just figured out the phone will not work, what would make her think she could access vm, twice, 3 hours later? Why would DB try to access the internet on her phone when her house (with her computer) was 1/3rd of a mile away from her the whole time?

I actually agree that until we see some more, I cannot connect Jersey at this time, despite his history. I wish we had a list of every single person that could of conceivably had MW's phone that night.

 

[Sherbie]

It's this right here that makes the vm and internet attempts make no sense. She (or Jersey or anyone else) just figured out the phone will not work, what would make her think she could access vm, twice, 3 hours later? Why would DB try to access the internet on her phone when her house (with her computer) was 1/3rd of a mile away from her the whole time?

I actually agree that until we see some more, I cannot connect Jersey at this time, despite his history. I wish we had a list of every single person that could of conceivably had MW's phone that night.

I'd like to know who had access to MW's phone in general (i.e., all the people who could have conceivably given her number out as a contact source for themselves) or who might've given her number out as a resource for "items" that could be purchased. Then I'd like to see if there are any "six degrees" connections between any of those people and DB/JI or their extended families.

I'd also like to know for sure which of the 3 phones in the DB home placed that call. If grandpa's phone, might he have loaned it to someone else in the family in the past six months, someone who might've programmed MW's number into the phone or had it in memory such that an accidental redial might've triggered the call? If Jeremy's phone, might he have had the number stored (not necessarily because he knew her but b/c someone had given him the number for some reason)? Then DB's tinkering with the phones, transferring numbers, sees a woman's name and tries to dial to see who the heck this woman is? (Pure speculation, of course.)

Regardless, I can't move past DB being somehow involved here. I have to stretch a whole lot more to think she's not involved than to think Jersey is.

 

[Salem]

bumping!

just to let everyone know... We will be removing any posts that are off topic, lots of good points and posts being made it helps so much more if you put them in the right thread.

thanks everyone,

ima

If your post is gone, this is probably why - lots of phone discussion here that does not have anything to do with Jersey or MW. There is discussion of the call to MW and that stands.

This post lands at random.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know what is acceptable to post here. Some posts discussing the phone call to MW were removed and some were not. Do you have to mention her by name to be on topic?

 

[madge]

MW is tied to the phone so I'm lost as to where to post phone info re MW? At times in order to talk about MW we have to talk about the phone. I'm confused. Sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

MW is tied to the phone so I'm lost as to where to post phone info re MW? At times in order to talk about MW we have to talk about the phone. I'm confused. Sorry if I posted in the wrong forum.

I'm thinking if we mention 'the phones', then we put it in the phone thread. That way we can talk about everyone, including Jersey and MW. ??

 

[findlisa5]

Jersey's motive in committing this crime is genuinely interesting. First, I believe Jersey heard Lisa and went thru the back window (removing the screen). It's also possible that Jersey came upon the Irwin's back window as part of his regular pattern of visiting homes after dark, to see which houses he can sleep in and what all he could collect/steal from them. This type of activity (breaking into houses, tampering with cars, stealing dogs, selling stolen stuff on the internet with help from Megan, etc.) were things he's been doing for years now. So yeah, it's easy to imagine this activity may also have lead him to the Irwin's back window.

Now, yes, it get's a little harder to understand. Why steal a baby? He's never stolen a baby before. Why on earth does this man need a baby?

The answer is that the baby was “neglected”, at least in Jersey's mind. I think Lisa could have been crying and unattended, maybe not loud enough to the wake the two boys, but loud enough for Jersey to hear her and notice her. And who would like a baby like that? Who does Jersey have strong feelings for? Who did Jersey talk with about having a baby? Yeah, right, you guessed it. The same woman he was having sex with and who broke it off only two weeks before: Megan Wright.

Yeah, good post about what a date between MW and JT consisted of! Your post was funny, but it was also dead-on! Jersey would comes over on his bike (as he normally did). They'd hang out, do drugs (alcohol, tobacco and meth for sure), have sex, and talk about committing crimes, but also commit a few crimes, together. This was all a dream come true for Jersey, at least until MW finally came to her senses. Then, she realized that JT was nightmare and certainly headed back to prison soon. She dyed her hair pink and decided to be done with him (just 2 weeks before 10/3).

Well, bizarre as it may seem, this was all on Jersey's mind as he picked Lisa up from her bed, grabbed the 3 phones and headed for the door. No need to turn off the lights, since there was an unattended baby here. He's just responding to that (as someone should) and taking this baby to somebody that can care for it (he knew who). In his crazy mind, he was doing the right thing.

Finally, let me come back to this timing question about whether the phone call or the dumpster came first. Certainly the phone call was first, since the 11:57 pm time off the call was WAY before the 2:19 time of the 911 call for the dumpster fire. (BTW, have you heard the YouTube audio on the 911 call? Boy, you can tell where the initial KCPD thinking was: kidnapping all the way!) Why did Jersey call MW? Because he needed to check if she was home to deliver this baby. He needed help for the baby, and who deserved a baby more than Megan?

Certainly it was easily to call MW. Her number was embedded in JT's memory. What number do you know better than your loved one's? Sadly, since MW could have saved Lisa, the call couldn't get through and JT never was able to reach her. That's when everything changed. JT needed to think about this for a while. He sat outside with Lisa for about an hour before he removed her clothes, added the accelerant, and started the dumpster fire. It was around 2 am then. After that, it was time to high tail it north. He followed N. Brighton (away from the road and off in the trees). Then, yes, you can see him swing Lisa across his body at the start of the BP gas station surveillance video (see my post in the pictures thread). Lisa was 26 lbs and, she did get heavy in his arms. He periodically switched from bearing her weight mostly with his right arm, then with his left arm, back and forth.

Finally, after stops to rest off of NE Parvin Rd. where Jersey tried to access the voice-mail and did access the internet (3:15 to 3:30 time frame), he continued on and got to 48th and N. Randolph around 4 am where Mike Thompson saw him. This too was so close! If only MT had confronted him or called 911... But, no, MT was just wanting to help what he thought was a father with his baby. He couldn't see that this was a crazed criminal before him. No one could.

I'll skip the horror story that came next, but you can be sure that phones were with him the whole time.
They they are there even now, with Lisa's body or, at least, nearby.

I'm sorry to say it, but this is sad story of Jersey's motive and what happened to the missing cell phones. We just need to find her to know its the truth.

 

[matou]

FindLisa: The dispatch call sent to LE was described as a kidnapping since that is what was described to the dispatcher i.e. window screen pushed in and baby missing.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My Responses in Red and BBM:

Jersey's motive in committing this crime is genuinely interesting. First, I believe Jersey heard Lisa and went thru the back window (removing the screen). It's also possible that Jersey came upon the Irwin's back window as part of his regular pattern of visiting homes after dark, to see which houses he can sleep in and what all he could collect/steal from them. This type of activity (breaking into houses, tampering with cars, stealing dogs, selling stolen stuff on the internet with help from Megan, etc.) were things he's been doing for years now. So yeah, it's easy to imagine this activity may also have lead him to the Irwin's back window.

Now, yes, it get's a little harder to understand. Why steal a baby? He's never stolen a baby before. Why on earth does this man need a baby?

The answer is that the baby was “neglected”, at least in Jersey's mind. I think Lisa could have been crying and unattended, maybe not loud enough to the wake the two boys, but loud enough for Jersey to hear her and notice her. And who would like a baby like that? Who does Jersey have strong feelings for? Who did Jersey talk with about having a baby? Yeah, right, you guessed it. The same woman he was having sex with and who broke it off only two weeks before: Megan Wright.


BBM: Is there an MSM Link that verifies this, or is it "speculation" ??


Yeah, good post about what a date between MW and JT consisted of! Your post was funny, but it was also dead-on! Jersey would comes over on his bike (as he normally did). They'd hang out, do drugs (alcohol, tobacco and meth for sure), have sex, and talk about committing crimes, but also commit a few crimes, together. This was all a dream come true for Jersey, at least until MW finally came to her senses. Then, she realized that JT was nightmare and certainly headed back to prison soon. She dyed her hair pink and decided to be done with him (just 2 weeks before 10/3).


BBM: Is there an MSM Link that verifies this, or is it "speculation" ??


Well, bizarre as it may seem, this was all on Jersey's mind as he picked Lisa up from her bed, grabbed the 3 phones and headed for the door. No need to turn off the lights, since there was an unattended baby here. He's just responding to that (as someone should) and taking this baby to somebody that can care for it (he knew who). In his crazy mind, he was doing the right thing.

Finally, let me come back to this timing question about whether the phone call or the dumpster came first. Certainly the phone call was first, since the 11:57 pm time off the call was WAY before the 2:19 time of the 911 call for the dumpster fire. (BTW, have you heard the YouTube audio on the 911 call? Boy, you can tell where the initial KCPD thinking was: kidnapping all the way!) Why did Jersey call MW? Because he needed to check if she was home to deliver this baby. He needed help for the baby, and who deserved a baby more than Megan?


BBM: :waitasec: BBM: Is there an MSM Link that verifies this, or is it "speculation" ??


Certainly it was easily to call MW. Her number was embedded in JT's memory. What number do you know better than your loved one's? Sadly, since MW could have saved Lisa, the call couldn't get through and JT never was able to reach her. That's when everything changed. JT needed to think about this for a while. He sat outside with Lisa for about an hour before he removed her clothes, added the accelerant, and started the dumpster fire. It was around 2 am then. After that, it was time to high tail it north. He followed N. Brighton (away from the road and off in the trees). Then, yes, you can see him swing Lisa across his body at the start of the BP gas station surveillance video (see my post in the pictures thread). Lisa was 26 lbs and, she did get heavy in his arms. He periodically switched from bearing her weight mostly with his right arm, then with his left arm, back and forth.


BBM: The BP gas station video surveillance is BLURRED ... and it has not been CONFIRMED WHO was in that video ...

IMO ... there are better videos and images of :ufo:


Finally, after stops to rest off of NE Parvin Rd. where Jersey tried to access the voice-mail and did access the internet (3:15 to 3:30 time frame), he continued on and got to 48th and N. Randolph around 4 am where Mike Thompson saw him. This too was so close! If only MT had confronted him or called 911... But, no, MT was just wanting to help what he thought was a father with his baby. He couldn't see that this was a crazed criminal before him. No one could.


BBM: It has not been CONFIRMED WHO Mike Thompson saw ... also, Thompson did not notify LE of his "alleged sighting" until a week later ...


I'll skip the horror story that came next, but you can be sure that phones were with him the whole time.
They they are there even now, with Lisa's body or, at least, nearby.


I'm sorry to say it, but this is sad story of Jersey's motive and what happened to the missing cell phones. We just need to find her to know its the truth.

BBM: IMO, the ^^^^ IS a STORY ...

MOO ...

 

[Elley Mae]

My Responses in Red and BBM:




BBM: IMO, the ^^^^ IS a STORY ...

MOO ...

Agreed

 

[iluvmua]

Only Way I would be able to tie "Jersey" into all of this is if he was in DB/JI's bedroom before/ during or after Lisa was killed and DB just happened to call him to come over and get Lisa's body. I do not see that happening though, Therefore I DO NOT think he has anything to do with Lisa being missing.

The only 2 people that would be responsible for Lisa's death would be DB and JI (at least the coverup).

ALL of the answers are with the "parents" and unfortunately they are not talking.

 

[hambirg]

Only Way I would be able to tie "Jersey" into all of this is if he was in DB/JI's bedroom before/ during or after Lisa was killed and DB just happened to call him to come over and get Lisa's body. I do not see that happening though, Therefore I DO NOT think he has anything to do with Lisa being missing.

The only 2 people that would be responsible for Lisa's death would be DB and JI (at least the coverup).

ALL of the answers are with the "parents" and unfortunately they are not talking.

I agree. I have thought the only way I can make Jersey fit in all of this is if he and DB were having an affair and she really trusted him. I just don't find that plausible though.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Having Jersey or someone he knows as the perpetrator fits the evidence easier than a conspiracy between him and Debbie. Does Jersey have an alibi for that night? If he does, could a partner of his be involved somehow and tried to contact him via MW? MOO.

 

[DeAnn]

Having Jersey or someone he knows as the perpetrator fits the evidence easier than a conspiracy between him and Debbie. Does Jersey have an alibi for that night? If he does, could a partner of his be involved somehow and tried to contact him via MW? MOO.

That's the rumor but it's unconfirmed but not for a lack of trying re Jersey having an alibi. Some say that's why police "moved on" after he was taken into custody.

 

[Niner]

First want to say:


:greetings:


:welcome4:

to findlisa5, deoneta and Dective Klimpt!!


and next, findlisa5, nothing against your opinion... but that doesn't sound feasible to me! I don't believe it was Jersey at all, and not DB either. I do believe 'someone' did kidnap Lisa - re black market - I guess just hoping that she IS still alive...

 

[Whisperer]

How do we know Jersey doesn't have his own cell?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

How do we know Jersey doesn't have his own cell?

He may have his own cell from time to time, but MW did write (on FB, I think...if you need a link, I can find it.) that Jersey gave out her number to receive calls. I would guess he doesn't have to make many outgoing calls; only receive calls from people wanted chores done.

 

[Elley Mae]

How do we know Jersey doesn't have his own cell?

We don't, just like we don't know who the call was intended for since it was a communal phone. according to MW anyway.

 

[Whisperer]

Because MW allegedly received a call that night, It is perceived Jersey HAS to be the culprit? Is that the best we have?