If a=b and b=c, then a=c.
I'm keepng my fingers and toes crossed that will apply here through the forensics, DNA primarily.
Transitive property of guilt. Heh.
If a=b and b=c, then a=c.
I'm keepng my fingers and toes crossed that will apply here through the forensics, DNA primarily.
I was thinking the very same thing.
I disagree. Knowing what I do of Mr. Camblos, I think this case will be great for him, as it's a case in the national spotlight. Based on the evidence that we, the public, know right now, it's going to be very difficult to prove murder. Right now, there's too much circumstantial evidence that could create reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.
Of course, the evidence in the Fairfax rape case is pretty solid, so JM isn't going to be free ever again.
I am wondering if maybe LE held back too much, back in 2010, that could have made someone think of JM. Did they really have cab driver info as a possibility? If she was strangled, for instance, in an unusual manner or with a specific type of fabric, belt, etc could an ex-GF have recognized such a description? They had DNA to match, if they got any wacky confessions. People who knew JM (at least some of them) knew he had "issues" at two schools and if combined with being a possible cab driver, something might have clicked, especially when they indicated the suspect was likely AA. I hate to think they held back too much back then. I think LE does that too often, especially in Missing Persons cases, i.e worrying about court before the victim is even found. Jmo
:thinking: Actually, some of the most convincing trials are based on well-established circumstantial evidence. We have all heard of the fallacy of "eye-witness" identification and accounts. I think there is a very strong murder case being constructed. I understand the adversarial, American legal system and the necessity of "proving" the prosecution's case. Every defendant is entitled to competent legal representation, but Mr. Camblos might do well to have his client follow the likes of John Gardener (Amber Dubois and Chelsea King murders) who plead guilty and saved the families from enduring the lengthy trial and sentencing.
Grabbing the national spotlight is only temporary. Being keenly attuned to needs of the innocents that suffer through trials, including the accused's family and friends, does seem like taking the higher road. The almost automatic "not guilty" that defense attorneys are prone to support is counter-productive to the greater good, IMO. (And, I come from a family that includes lawyers and judges...) Just saying...
I can't agree enough! That 2005 Original Sketch came directly from the victim, who before he attacked her, was engaged in a brief conversation with her attacker. He spoke to her and she went on her way...only for him to swoop down on her and begin to strangle and try to rape her. That sketch was so much more relevant...down to the way light reflected off his broad and rounded forehead and the shape of his nose and angle & thickness of his mustache and goatee.The one mistake, if you want to call it that, I think LE made was the mass publication of the digitally aged suspect sketch. JM looked much more like the 2005 suspect sketch even though five years had passed in 2010 and nine years to date.
I would have, at the very least, included the 2005 sketch with the updated sketch. Who knows if anyone would have connected JM to the 2005 sketch, rather than the aged sketch at the time it was publicized in the Charlottesville area from 2010 on.
This is really confusing...On July 1, 2010, the forensic link between MH and Fairfax was announced, and Dan Harrington said it was related to DNA was found on MH. Then, less than two weeks later, it's reported that the Harrington's think two people were involved. I understand there was confusion on two separate crimes being so far apart, but when you have the DNA match on both the remains and the rape, why would they think there may have been two people involved? These statements seem contradictory, especially when Dan mentions the location of the shirt.
http://www.wlox.com/story/12742496/update-morgan-harringtons-death-linked-to-case-in-fairfax
UPDATE: Morgan Harrington's death linked to case in Fairfax
Jul 01, 2010
"Investigators will only say that forensic evidence ties the suspect to Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder in Charlottesville. But Harrington's parents confirmed this afternoon it was DNA found on Morgan that matches the suspect in the Fairfax case."
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/h...cle_d26c5039-b998-57b8-a9d6-cf24c98f6035.html
Harringtons suspect 2 were involved in daughter's death
July 18, 2010
The parents of Morgan D. Harrington, the 20-year-old who vanished after a Metallica concert in Oc-tober, said Saturday that they believe two people were involved in their daughter’s disappearance.
Virginia State Police announced July 1 that forensic evidence shows a man who abducted and sexu-ally assaulted a woman in 2005 in Fairfax came into contact with Harrington. The man was never identified, and the Virginia Tech student’s body was discovered in January on a southern Albemarle County farm.
Dan Harrington, Morgan Harrington’s father, said it was unlikely that a person from outside the area would have just happened upon the pasture where she was found. “How does a person from Northern Virginia know about 15th Street?” Dan Harrington asked. “It’s not a place you happen to find.”
I keep coming back to this. JLM seems to be a collector so it honestly wouldn't shock me if he did have her jewelry since it wasn't found with her body. Maybe I watch too much Crime TV but I can't shake the thought of MH's jewelry being found with HG. It's weird but ever since we learned of the forensic link between JLM and MH I can't get that scenario out of my head.
This is really confusing...On July 1, 2010, the forensic link between MH and Fairfax was announced, and Dan Harrington said it was related to DNA was found on MH. Then, less than two weeks later, it's reported that the Harrington's think two people were involved. I understand there was confusion on two separate crimes being so far apart, but when you have the DNA match on both the remains and the rape, why would they think there may have been two people involved? These statements seem contradictory, especially when Dan mentions the location of the shirt.
http://www.wlox.com/story/12742496/update-morgan-harringtons-death-linked-to-case-in-fairfax
UPDATE: Morgan Harrington's death linked to case in Fairfax
Jul 01, 2010
"Investigators will only say that forensic evidence ties the suspect to Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder in Charlottesville. But Harrington's parents confirmed this afternoon it was DNA found on Morgan that matches the suspect in the Fairfax case."
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/h...cle_d26c5039-b998-57b8-a9d6-cf24c98f6035.html
Harringtons suspect 2 were involved in daughter's death
July 18, 2010
The parents of Morgan D. Harrington, the 20-year-old who vanished after a Metallica concert in Oc-tober, said Saturday that they believe two people were involved in their daughters disappearance.
Virginia State Police announced July 1 that forensic evidence shows a man who abducted and sexu-ally assaulted a woman in 2005 in Fairfax came into contact with Harrington. The man was never identified, and the Virginia Tech students body was discovered in January on a southern Albemarle County farm.
Dan Harrington, Morgan Harringtons father, said it was unlikely that a person from outside the area would have just happened upon the pasture where she was found. How does a person from Northern Virginia know about 15th Street? Dan Harrington asked. Its not a place you happen to find.
This is really confusing...On July 1, 2010, the forensic link between MH and Fairfax was announced, and Dan Harrington said it was related to DNA was found on MH. Then, less than two weeks later, it's reported that the Harrington's think two people were involved. I understand there was confusion on two separate crimes being so far apart, but when you have the DNA match on both the remains and the rape, why would they think there may have been two people involved? These statements seem contradictory, especially when Dan mentions the location of the shirt.
http://www.wlox.com/story/12742496/update-morgan-harringtons-death-linked-to-case-in-fairfax
UPDATE: Morgan Harrington's death linked to case in Fairfax
Jul 01, 2010
"Investigators will only say that forensic evidence ties the suspect to Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder in Charlottesville. But Harrington's parents confirmed this afternoon it was DNA found on Morgan that matches the suspect in the Fairfax case."
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/h...cle_d26c5039-b998-57b8-a9d6-cf24c98f6035.html
Harringtons suspect 2 were involved in daughter's death
July 18, 2010
The parents of Morgan D. Harrington, the 20-year-old who vanished after a Metallica concert in Oc-tober, said Saturday that they believe two people were involved in their daughter’s disappearance.
Virginia State Police announced July 1 that forensic evidence shows a man who abducted and sexu-ally assaulted a woman in 2005 in Fairfax came into contact with Harrington. The man was never identified, and the Virginia Tech student’s body was discovered in January on a southern Albemarle County farm.
Dan Harrington, Morgan Harrington’s father, said it was unlikely that a person from outside the area would have just happened upon the pasture where she was found. “How does a person from Northern Virginia know about 15th Street?” Dan Harrington asked. “It’s not a place you happen to find.”
Oh, so the parents had it backwards. They were wondering how someone from Fairfax could have known the farm area so well, when in fact we should be wondering how someone from around Anchorage made his way up to Fairfax. This doesn't mean there are two perps but I guess I can see how MH's parents speculated that.
But with the DNA match, why would they say that?
Pls forgive me for asking this but I forgot a lot of details about MH's case and I didn't manage yet to read everything new out there about these connections....
IIRC they linked MH's murder to the rape case a few years ago,no?then why no arrest?
am a bit confused here...
At the time they had no DNA to compare it to. They had JM's DNA but they didn't know who JM was then. Get what I'm saying?Pls forgive me for asking this but I forgot a lot of details about MH's case and I didn't manage yet to read everything new out there about these connections....
IIRC they linked MH's murder to the rape case a few years ago,no?then why no arrest?
am a bit confused here...
Didn't LE suggest that there had been a non-participating witness to MH's murder? They reached out to this person at one point through the media, saying something like, "We know this isn't what you're about, it made you sick." And WSers theorized that maybe vomit was found at the scene.
All my recollection only. I am new to the MH case and wouldn't know where to look for a link.