JLM: Morgan Harrington/Fairfax Rape Victim - *Forensic Link* to MH #2

[Evie Ivy Over]

If I were a juror, something that would bother me would be the two reported sightings of MH shortly after her disappearance.

 

[MtnLaur]

Hello, Harmony2--thanks for your hard work as moderator! Yes, I was wondering about this also. If you want to troll for women, what better place than a grocery store?

 

[human]

Interestingly, the following article states that a bloodhound tracked Morgan back to Copeley bridge and then over it before turning west on Ivy Road. Her scent was lost near the Foods of All Nations grocery store. The Fairfax victim was walking from the grocery store and there is Autumn Wind Day whose car was found at a grocery store. I am wondering if JLM waited by stores for his next fare to be called in.

http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case

http://goo.gl/maps/7928K

Hm.

Where I live, the poor and elderly use cabs for shopping. The poor take the city bus to the grocery store and take a cab home with their once a month grocery trip.

Hanging around a grocery store might be a good idea

 

[FindHG]

Interestingly, the following article states that a bloodhound tracked Morgan back to Copeley bridge and then over it before turning west on Ivy Road. Her scent was lost near the Foods of All Nations grocery store. The Fairfax victim was walking from the grocery store and there is Autumn Wind Day whose car was found at a grocery store. I am wondering if JLM waited by stores for his next fare to be called in.

http://www.readthehook.com/88650/hes-still-here-and-other-revelations-harrington-case

http://goo.gl/maps/7928K

Sounds right.

He wouldn't need the fare. Imagine this scenario. A predator in a parking lot could just pull his car up fast, very close to a woman's car, and facing the opposite direction, when she's just about to get out or has already. Her door is open. He jumps out his car. With both their doors open, she's sandwiched between the two. The only way for her to get past her own door is close it. Move back, and closer to him. Fast like that, a predator knocks her out, gets her in his car. Sounds like a great hunting ground that could render any woman a victim.

 

[hambirg]

There was a house nearby in North Garden that burned the night before her body was found--I think it was the referred to as a party house--rented out to college students.

Ok, that's not the house I'm thinking of.

Someone posted a link the other day to a site that had really excellent pics of the farm. There was a house back by the pond that had light tire tracks behind it. I thought that house was labeled as abandoned, but I could be mistaken. It's the little house that sits on Blandemar Farm Dr. Does anyone know if it was vacant during that time?

 

[ksj3]

Ok, that's not the house I'm thinking of.

Someone posted a link the other day to a sitethat had really excellent pics of the farm. There was a house back by the pond that had light tire tracks behind it. I thought that house was labeled as abandon, but I could be mistaken. It's the little house that sits on Blandemar Farm Dr. Does anyone know if it was vacant during that time?

"Any vehicle entering from 29 South also has to pass the smaller house– rented to UVA graduate students until June (2009)– but now (February 2010) home to Bass' adult daughter."

I don't think so, but possibly. Surely they'd have noticed when they prepared it for Mr. Bass' daughter.

http://www.readthehook.com/68819/trail-harringtons-body-creates-new-mysteries-angles

 

[Emaa]

Where has it been released by the attending medical examiner that she was murdered?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-t...ingtons-death-ruled-homicide/story?id=9740132

http://www.nbc12.com/story/11920501/medical-examiner-rules-harringtons-death-a-homicide

http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/83379682.html

http://ww2.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/235212

http://www.c-ville.com/UPDATE_Morgan_Harringtons_death_officially_ruled_a_homicide/

http://www.wect.com/story/12030494/cause-of-death-of-morgan-harrington-could-take-weeks

 

[Emaa]

But as a juror, you'd be selected for having known nothing or little about the case.

Not necessarily, but regardless, I'd still expect to hear evidence. My point is I couldn't say how I'd respond as a juror since we have no idea what evidence they do have.

 

[cluciano63]

I have a feeling that LE knows there is no way the Fairfax victim will testify in any format and they may just have to get him on Morgan, and maybe Hannah.

 

[ksj3]

I have a feeling that LE knows there is no way the Fairfax victim will testify in any format and they may just have to get him on Morgan, and maybe Hannah.

Would she have to testify? With DNA, eyewitnesses (assuming they'd testify), her previous testimony and help creating the sketch, and injuries/rape kit? The commonwealth would press charges, not her.

 

[Emaa]

Well, the police, through investigation, determine if a charge of murder can be made. Ultimately, murder is determined by court trial.

The medical examiner can only declare manner and cause of death not determine whether a murder has been committed. Upon autopsy, the coroner rules out natural cause, accident, and suicide. Medical cause if death factors in to determination too. Homicide is ruled when death likely involved another person whose level of responsibility can only be determined at trial like murder or manslaughter. Therefore any time we use the term "murder" we are adding a value judgment. So far, I have seen absolutely no evidence,that she was murdered.

FBI and VSP say murder.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...an-harrington-killer/morgan-harrington_060412

 

[Heroine]

FBI and VSP say murder.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...an-harrington-killer/morgan-harrington_060412

It was a remarkable break to get the DNA match,” said FBI Special Agent Jane Collins. The forensic evidence linked the two cases, so now we have a face to put with the suspect in the Harrington case. The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair (at the time of the 2005 attack). He is approximately 6 feet tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the Fairfax City assault.

Even here they say "forensic evidence" so therefore I think it would be fair to speculate and say that "forensic link" to them could mean DNA without elaborating such IMO...In other words JM is most likely linked through DNA to all 3 of these victims...IMO

 

[hambirg]

"Any vehicle entering from 29 South also has to pass the smaller house– rented to UVA graduate students until June (2009)– but now (February 2010) home to Bass' adult daughter."

I don't think so, but possibly. Surely they'd have noticed when they prepared it for Mr. Bass' daughter.

http://www.readthehook.com/68819/trail-harringtons-body-creates-new-mysteries-angles

No, that's not the one I was thinking of either. Let's see if this works. . .

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The notes say "Close up of the farmhouse, an unoccupied building on Blandemar Drive"

 

[Conductor71]

I don't see anything about "crushed bones" in that link. Morgan's parents were at the crime scene and examined the remains, so they know as much as anyone can know about how Morgan died. Regarding broken bones, I remember broken ribs, but maybe there were other broken bones? There is a poem that references broken ribs.

Based on the preponderance of certainty here that JM raped and murdered MH, I thought I had missed a major source somewhere proving that she indeed had been raped and murdered. Something essential, comprehensive, and objective like a Medical Examiner's report. Not one person sourced it! We cannot have any rumors floating around about shirts, so I thought equal concern might be shown when it came to spreading misinformation about a person. Crazy idea, right?

Since you established earlier that the only credible source of DNA analysis comes from MH's remains, surely you know that they were sufficient enough to source DNA. The shattered bone thing is common to all familiar with the case. If you need more info, try Google.

 

[Emaa]

Even here they say "forensic evidence" so therefore I think it would be fair to speculate and say that "forensic link" to them could mean DNA without elaborating such IMO...In other words JM is most likely linked through DNA to all 3 of these victims...IMO

I have no idea how to find a source for this, but I distinctly remember back in '10 articles describing LE testing for DNA from Morgan and the reason it took so long was the difficulty of the process considering condition of the remains. And her parents repeatedly stated the DNA was obtained from her.

 

[Heroine]

Would she have to testify? With DNA, eyewitnesses (assuming they'd testify), her previous testimony and help creating the sketch, and injuries/rape kit? The commonwealth would press charges, not her.

I don't think she would have to testify, but I think it could be the fact that the woman isn't even in the country and she may not want to deal with it, so, it may not do them any good right now to act on what they know considering Hannah is still missing. I think their main focus at this time is finding Hannah and I feel like they don't want to jeopardize the possibility that JM may tell in time, but if he's on trial for rape anyway I don't think he would be as likely to talk...JMO
BTW I'm not insinuating either person is more important, but the fairfax woman is safe, Hannah is not.

 

[Emaa]

Based on the preponderance of certainty here that JM raped and murdered MH, I thought I had missed a major source somewhere proving that she indeed had been raped and murdered. Something essential, comprehensive, and objective like a Medical Examiner's report. Not one person sourced it! We cannot have any rumors floating around about shirts, so I thought equal concern might be shown when it came to spreading misinformation about a person. Crazy idea, right?

Since you established earlier that the only credible source of DNA analysis comes from MH's remains, surely you know that they were sufficient enough to source DNA. The shattered bone thing is common to all familiar with the case. If you need more info, try Google.

What exactly are you arguing here? That Morgan wasn't murdered? That DNA was not found on her remains? What?

 

[Emaa]

Based on the preponderance of certainty here that JM raped and murdered MH, I thought I had missed a major source somewhere proving that she indeed had been raped and murdered. Something essential, comprehensive, and objective like a Medical Examiner's report. Not one person sourced it! We cannot have any rumors floating around about shirts, so I thought equal concern might be shown when it came to spreading misinformation about a person. Crazy idea, right?

Since you established earlier that the only credible source of DNA analysis comes from MH's remains, surely you know that they were sufficient enough to source DNA. The shattered bone thing is common to all familiar with the case. If you need more info, try Google.

Just because the ME didn't publicly release his report doesn't mean LE and the family don't know what it contains.

And they have stated Morgan was raped and murdered.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.publicopiniononline.com/ci_20309046/jury-dismissed-rape-case-dropped-when-victim-wont

This case was thrown out when victim would not testify.

Also, another link stated that confrontation is necessary to try a rape case, defense is entitled to confront the accuser, according to Supreme Court. So not really sure what they do if victim refuses to take part.

 

[hambirg]

I don't think she would have to testify, but I think it could be the fact that the woman isn't even in the country and she may not want to deal with it, so, it may not do them any good right now to act on what they know considering Hannah is still missing. I think their main focus at this time is finding Hannah and I feel like they don't want to jeopardize the possibility that JM may tell in time, but if he's on trial for rape anyway I don't think he would be as likely to talk...JMO
BTW I'm not insinuating either person is more important, but the fairfax woman is safe, Hannah is not.

I think the rape case is a bit of a moot point now anyway. . .as far as charges and trials. The DAs want to go for the most serious crimes first. They would likely just tack on the rape charges from Fairfax if that. Hypothetically, if they get the DP or LWOP for either Hannnah or Morgan, they may never even try the rape.

ETA- I know someone who had a pending assualt case against Clemmons when he shot the 4 Lakewood police officers. At that point he stopped working on that case, because it wasn't going to trial on it's own anyway. If Clemmons would have lived, they would have tried him on 4 counts of Murder one and my friend would have tossed the other prosecutor his file.

I think that's why we're not really hearing about the Fairfax case right now. They aren't going to waste time and resources on it. They are going to wait and see what happens with Hannah's case and possibly Morgan's.