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zapped said:
I couldnt agree more. If one of my co-workers was 'teasing" me (and by that I mean bullying me) about my resemblance to a rapist theyd find themselves flat on their backs wondering how they got there........ or I would be out of job........ or both.

Some things should never be joked about and thats one of them

His "friends" sound like drug users or people who are absent a moral compass IMO.
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My opinion of cab drivers has changed since this case became news. Doesn't look like they have to pass a psychological exam or much of a background check to get a license.
 
SolVol said:
It has been said that JLM was at one time, in 'massage school' - does anyone have more information on that?<snipped for focus>
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Where has this been said? Possibly part of his pre-nursing curriculum @ PVCC? TIA.
 
ChiaPet said:
They joked about it and didn't go to the authorities because, most likely, he didn't come across as someone who might be a rapist to his coworkers. Plus, its also weird to turn in a coworker for something like rape if the sketch could be any black male with facial hair. That sketch did IMO look a lot like JM but if I worked with him and he didn't display that type of behavior I probably wouldn't assume that it was him. I'd probably just tell myself that I was wrong because who wants to suspect your coworker or friend is actually a criminal?
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Agreed. Sounds like his co-workers' teasing was based on macho bravado; not my sort of humor, but plenty of folks find even graphic violence and horror "entertaining."

No one would have commented at all if they actually believed he was possibly the rapist/murderer in question. I mean, think about it — who'd want to risk angering someone like that? The "joke" was that it couldn't possibly be JLM.

The sketches bear a very strong passing resemblence to JLM, imo, but they're not obvious dead ringers unless there's reason for suspicion — esp. for those who were used to seeing him in mundane environments without the threatening demeanor, smiling and "jovial," as he has been described.
 
zapped said:
What kind of people joke about something like that? Seriously.

I dont find the fact that a woman was subjected to needless violence, and rape, funny at all. Nor do I find the fact that they simply brushed off JLMs astonishing resemblance to the man portrayed in the sketch as a simple joke.

They knew they were in the wrong as well and simply chalked his disappearances up as righteous indignation.

If they had reported this to the police like decent, law abiding human beings this thread might not even exist right now.

JMO of course.
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So true. If people "joked" like that around me I'd be tempted to call the police on THEM.

Never in my life have I heard people joke like that; it really makes you wonder what *they* were up to.
 
Heathery said:
So true. If people "joked" like that around me I'd be tempted to call the police on THEM.

Never in my life have I heard people joke like that; it really makes you wonder what *they* were up to.
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His childhood friends had done the same in '05. If you have that many people who actually reacted as reported, the same way, then I would observe that it's that old dissonance thing at work. Nobody wants to get close to being touched by evil, so suspicion gets swept under the rug.
 
FindHG said:
His childhood friends from done the same in '05. If you have that many people who actually reacted as reported, the same way, then I would observe that it's that old dissonance thing at work. Nobody wants to get close to being touched by evil, so suspicion gets swept under the rug.
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I get that people want to see the best in other people, I just find it astounding that anyone would *repeatedly* joke about rape and violence against women. Never in my life have I been around people that thought that was acceptable, let alone funny.
 
Heroine said:
I agree, I don't know what kind of magic spells JM knows but they seem to be working on those that are closest to him. These things, to me, are NOT normal and I am not one to believe in so many coincidences. IMO these are not coincidences. Not even everyones view of JM. I think he's actually a very smart person, possibly even smart as Ted Bundy, who had a way of making you believe whatever he wanted you to believe, about him, and his actions.
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Agreed and there are so many different types of intelligence- just because someone might not be good at say, standardized tests or regurgitating info at school, doesn't mean they're not intelligent or even a genius in other ways.
 
Enni said:
Agreed. Sounds like his co-workers' teasing was based on macho bravado; not my sort of humor, but plenty of folks find even graphic violence and horror "entertaining."

No one would have commented at all if they actually believed he was possibly the rapist/murderer in question. I mean, think about it — who'd want to risk angering someone like that? The "joke" was that it couldn't possibly be JLM.

The sketches bear a very strong passing resemblence to JLM, imo, but they're not obvious dead ringers unless there's reason for suspicion — esp. for those who were used to seeing him in mundane environments without the threatening demeanor, smiling and "jovial," as he has been described.
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I agree and thank you for your explanation here. I don't think there's anything abnormal about a group of people joking that somebody they know as extremely gentle and kind bears a resemblance to the sketch of a man wanted for rape and murder. Back in the '90s, my coworkers and I relentlessly teased our boss that he was a dead ringer for Saddam Hussein. It was funny to all of us (and him) because of course he wasn't actually Saddam.

It was probably a joke because even though there was a resemblance, nobody would have ever suspected JLM capable of such atrocious deeds. They never would have joked around with him if they'd actually been suspicious of JLM.
 
zapped said:
I couldnt agree more. If one of my co-workers was 'teasing" me (and by that I mean bullying me) about my resemblance to a rapist theyd find themselves flat on their backs wondering how they got there........ or I would be out of job........ or both.

Some things should never be joked about and thats one of them

His "friends" sound like drug users or people who are absent a moral compass IMO.
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If JM's temper is as bad as it's being reported, you would think he would have gone off on someone for making fun of him/accusing him of being a killer and a rapist.
 
SolVol said:
My opinion of cab drivers has changed since this case became news. Doesn't look like they have to pass a psychological exam or much of a background check to get a license.
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Where I live, in a totally different area of the country, cab drivers are people who can get no other job.

Often they carry booze to sell to clients when liquor stores are closed. They also know where prostitutes are and who knows what else.

I used to ride with clients for different reasons and talk with the cabbies. They usually had some weird life story. Some had moved here from other states. Hm.

And some I knew for other reasons and knew they had criminal records.

Ugh.
 
hambirg said:
This is a pdf of Hickey's book. I haven't read the whole thing, but I did read the "Trauma Control Model of the Serial Killer" that starts on page 106. If you read nothing else, read "Observations of a Male Serial Murderer" that starts about half way down on page 109. It really gives great insight into how these killers think, and what may be driving their behavior. http://static.freelibr.org/fiction/Eric W Hickey - Serial Murders and Their Victims (5e) (pdf).pdf
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That's frightening, and seemingly much like JM seems to be appearing. A double life and not happy with who you are. That would explain the (attempt at) church, the (reported) change in behavior when friends teased him about looking like the sketch, the (reported) change in behavior after Hannah went missing.

I believe he can stop this - this search for Hannah, this quest for answers. If only he's as insightful into his own behavior as this person Hickey interviewed is. The real power, the real good, comes with owning up to one's actions, being responsible for what you do. Perhaps he'll realize that.
 
I have a few questions about JM that only someone who has known him for several years would know the answers to. I hope Paulap (sp?) gets verified as an insider and comes back. In the meantime, from what we have gathered so far in the media, what is everyone's thoughts and speculation on:

1. Did JM come across as overly confident or insecure?
2. Did "friends" take him under their wing because they felt sorry for him?
3. What redeeming qualities would those close to him say he has? Was he charismatic, loyal, funny?
4. What were his romantic relationships like? I don't see he has ever had a protection/restraining order against him. Was he submissive in relationships, and then took his anger out in other ways? Or were women too scared of him to go to police?
5. Were his friendships consistent, or did he disappear for years at a time and then come back into certain peoples lives?
6. Was he seen as a mooch, or always needing help from those around him, or would he rather let himself crumble than expose that he may need help (financially, emotionally, or even getting a ride somewhere)
7. IRT religion--how much effort did he put into his religion? Was he a regular at church, or was this more likely a cover up for who he really is?
8. Is he able to think in shades of gray, or was his thinking always black and white? Ex, he either loves someone or hates someone, cops are all bad people, etc.
9 What was his relationship like with his sisters?
 
I'd like to see a picture of Popcorn, JM's dog. Someone said in another thread they'd seen a picture of the dog.

Thank you.
 
hambirg said:
This is a pdf of Hickey's book. I haven't read the whole thing, but I did read the "Trauma Control Model of the Serial Killer" that starts on page 106. If you read nothing else, read "Observations of a Male Serial Murderer" that starts about half way down on page 109. It really gives great insight into how these killers think, and what may be driving their behavior. http://static.freelibr.org/fiction/Eric W Hickey - Serial Murders and Their Victims (5e) (pdf).pdf
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THAT is fascinating reading. I read the section you suggested, but I'm going to read the whole thing. Wow. How tragic that the price paid is a life. That killer seemed to have a lot of personal insight. I'm surprised.
 
teeandcee said:
THAT is fascinating reading. I read the section you suggested, but I'm going to read the whole thing. Wow. How tragic that the price paid is a life. That killer seemed to have a lot of personal insight. I'm surprised.
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What always strikes me is just how normal these people that can do these heinous things seem. It's almost mundane. It's frightening to think about that way. But I also think it lends some hope. . .maybe there are things we can do to prevent people from acting out in this way.
 
hambirg said:
This is a pdf of Hickey's book. I haven't read the whole thing, but I did read the "Trauma Control Model of the Serial Killer" that starts on page 106. If you read nothing else, read "Observations of a Male Serial Murderer" that starts about half way down on page 109. It really gives great insight into how these killers think, and what may be driving their behavior. http://static.freelibr.org/fiction/Eric W Hickey - Serial Murders and Their Victims (5e) (pdf).pdf
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Wow. Thank you. This relates to the HG and MH case more than I anticipated. It is fascinating to get into the mind of a narcissist and serial killer, who is SELF AWARE, which I think is generally not the case.
 
Speaking of his grandma, I have always thought this statement was kinda strange...
His grandmother, Mrs Carr, says she instantly recognized her grandson &#8216;LJ&#8217; when she watched the video tape released by police investigating Hannah&#8217;s disappearance.

She told MailOnline: &#8216;I saw the video tape. That is him, that is LJ. The police went through his car and his apartment.

&#8216;They took away his car and three bags out of his apartment.&#8217;

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reds-volunteers-search-her.html#ixzz3Fs6p8Dhv
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Just the way she says that is him, was there conversation before about if it were him or not? It may be nothing but a poor choice of words, just something I noticed.
Matthew&#8217;s grandmother, Christine Carr, told MailOnline on Saturday: &#8216;I have been talking with his mother.

&#8216;He said he went his way and she went hers. He told his mother he bought her some drinks. He said she did not get into his car.

&#8216;The girl went her way and he went his.&#8217;

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reds-volunteers-search-her.html#ixzz3Fs810vEH
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