jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #50 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Linda7NJ]

With all due respect, I don't see how it can be characterized as JA being sodomized like a wild animal. If anything, by all that we've heard, anal sex seemed to be one of her hang-ups, her specialty. If she had a calling card, sadly, that was probably it.

More like a "welcome mat" than a calling card! Lol


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[zoey]

It seems pretty clear (to me) that one of JM's objectives is to impeach JA's credibility - I wonder if he can (or will) dismantle the whole 'peeping' event:

First of all, it isn't reasonable to believe that anyone would keep their own Social Security card in a box - stored in someone else's garage. Particularly a person you aren't dating or related to. Even so, it doesn't fly imv.

Plus, I believe there is evidence that she did get that job at P. F. Chang's, (the left-over chicken story could probably be verified by roommates at the time) so she submitted her card to them after retrieving it from where she knew where it was all along. (Wait - what employers require the physical card, anyway? I think I've only ever provided my number... not my card. So even more weight against her little story).

I believe she was surveilling Travis' house hours (even days) prior to the "my SS card is in your garage" nonsense, and probably on her last trip past his house saw an unfamiliar car - or somehow got word that Travis had 'company'.

I think the reality of what really happened that night was a classic example of her stalking behaviour. She was keeping track of him, and she had to go see (or interrupt) what he was doing - especially with a woman.

I don't recall seeing any texts (doesn't mean one doesn't exist, certainly) about her asking Travis about looking for her card that night - and WHY would he tell her "sure", come to the house - while he's making out with his date. Somehow JA expects others to believe this?

There is no way she confronted him about it in his laundry room soon after - saying she wouldn't be like Deanna, and that THAT would somehow make him flip out, run to his room and bang his head, then assault her. Oh - and apologize saying it was just 'some girl' from Phoenix and he wouldn't see her again. As if he owed that to JA? Only in her mind... not his.

As someone mentioned before - one of her strategies with men is to do something, leave something, forget something, do favors, etc. for the purpose of staying connected, having to be in contact. That's the only reason she 'bought' Travis' car. The only reason she cleaned his house was to have access to every inch of it without being accused of snooping but doing just that. And doing it with no one around.

I think more evidence of JA's stalking and/or obsessiveness (without reciprocation - note the tone in Travis' texts re the car swap. Flat. Distant. Annoyed if anything).

But she wasn't jealous.......:banghead:

 

[Laine]

Personally, I wouldn't doubt that she cleaned herself up over Travis using that cup. Rinse both of them at the same time.

It actually occurred to me that the cup might be the cup he used to wash Napoleon

 

[kaRN]

Omg I was talking to my 80+ year old mom the other day ... She's watching the case too. She told me back when she was young ...anal sex was super popular among catholic girls because using birth control was a sin.

She opted for marriage young !!

I don't find it hard to believe other people in religions may use the same excuse?


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It used to be called Greek style because it was advocated by the Greek Orthodox church as a form of birth control.

 

[Really?]

Exactly.

She purchased 2 bottles of sunscreen at WalMart.

I've seen a lot of posts saying that she thought she may convince Travis to take her to Cancun.

I am having a hard time thinking that this could be done. If the trip was on the 10th....and she went on the 4th....how could that be possible with the airlines. I don't know that the airline would change a ticket so fast. I am most likely wrong and the Ariass thought she could ??????? Who would pay the fees?:waitasec:

 

[zoey]

i'm with you on the cup. it's just one of the many things we'll never know, unfortunately. we probably have the closest thing we ever get to a crime on film, but the part that's missing----we know it's happening but we don't get to see it-----is so compelling.

and a plastic cup at that

 

[gngr~snap]

This cup thing has never made sense to me. She has a bloody body in the shower, and she is covered in blood. Surely she would turn the shower on, if it wasn't still running, to clean up, not use a cup? Doesn't look like she attempted to clean up the basin. The water line on the bottom of the box in the closet suggests the shower remained on and flooded the floors. Why the cup? :waitasec:

I think it was on a soap ledge in the shower stall and simply fell off.

I thought she had used the cup to dump water on the floor?

 

[zoey]

Still waiting for one of our brilliant and talented WS ers to post a map of JAs travels on her way to and from the murder......come on on know you can do it.

think HLN did it---I've seen it....Nurse--didn't you reference it?

 

[nursebeeme]

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jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #51 *may contain graphic and adult content* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

move on over...

(hey zoey... yes I can find that map and put it on the new thread)

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I am new to site, this being my first post. I have watched every day of the trial, if not live streaming, I will watch it on you-tube when I get home from work.
So getting to my point, yesterday I was watching JM's creation of the decoded message, and at one point, I went directly to JM's final creation (the complete message in correct order). I stopped the recording so I could read the message, and as I was reading, I realized that unless you knew what the message said, you would have stumbled as you were reading it because the message is broken up. I then turned on voice and heard JA read the message and she seemed to breeze through it.

So why don't all of you WSs try it. Turn off the sound and read it and if it was your first time. And then listen to Jodi read it. She was in her confident mode, but she well knew what that message said. I wonder if JM will be able to bring on a handwriting analysis on rebuttal.

Imho he doesn't even need the handwriting expert, if you look at her journal and the note, you quickly come to the conclusion that the same person wrote both. Look at her "f's" , they are uniquely top heavy.

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[katiedid2]

Exactly my thought.. Hellooo! LOL

Ouch owwie

 

[bexlex]

I wonder who was next on Jodi's list. The .25 didn't work well as a murder weapon, so she bought a more powerful one.

for real.....she was gearing up for something!

 

[BritsKate]

One point, I believe that got in Travis' in the way was being a man. Once he realized Jodi "stalking him" - as he tells it to others - he didn't go to the police/courts to get a restraining order toward Jodi. Some men have a tough time admitting a "woman" is stalking them. They have the stance "I am a man, I can handle. I am strong, I can control her." mentality. Well, unfortunately, women can get weapons and set up the milieu to kill "the man" - even small women.

Sometime it is tough from the male point of view to admit they need help from the courts and/or police that a woman is very dangerous and their life is being threatened. Pride tends to be big in that dept. in some men.

Just a thought.

I don't want to go too off topic but in my opinion the problem is a lot larger than just the man who finds himself in an abusive relationship. It's a social mindset still very often that men can't be abused the same way women can. (And something DV survivors on this board consistently rail against, fortunately. ) It's usually a lot of people surrounding the victim - friends and family - that unwittingly propagate such a belief, on top of social and media influences.

IME getting a restraining order too isn't exactly as easy as buying a pack of gum. A lot of people seem to believe they hand them out to all who request. Every jurisdiction has statutes specific to grounds of seeking a restraining order; and different judges and localities may either favor or oppose them as a rule of thumb. In short, there's no guarantee a victim will be granted one even if they seek it.

There are a handful of IPV homicides in which a restraining order was denied I can think of. There are many more in which one was granted.

JMO

 

[LambChop]

It seems pretty clear (to me) that one of JM's objectives is to impeach JA's credibility - I wonder if he can (or will) dismantle the whole 'peeping' event:

First of all, it isn't reasonable to believe that anyone would keep their own Social Security card in a box - stored in someone else's garage. Particularly a person you aren't dating or related to. Even so, it doesn't fly imv.

Plus, I believe there is evidence that she did get that job at P. F. Chang's, (the left-over chicken story could probably be verified by roommates at the time) so she submitted her card to them after retrieving it from where she knew where it was all along. (Wait - what employers require the physical card, anyway? I think I've only ever provided my number... not my card. So even more weight against her little story).

I believe she was surveilling Travis' house hours (even days) prior to the "my SS card is in your garage" nonsense, and probably on her last trip past his house saw an unfamiliar car - or somehow got word that Travis had 'company'.

I think the reality of what really happened that night was a classic example of her stalking behaviour. She was keeping track of him, and she had to go see (or interrupt) what he was doing - especially with a woman.

I don't recall seeing any texts (doesn't mean one doesn't exist, certainly) about her asking Travis about looking for her card that night - and WHY would he tell her "sure", come to the house - while he's making out with his date. Somehow JA expects others to believe this?

There is no way she confronted him about it in his laundry room soon after - saying she wouldn't be like Deanna, and that THAT would somehow make him flip out, run to his room and bang his head, then assault her. Oh - and apologize saying it was just 'some girl' from Phoenix and he wouldn't see her again. As if he owed that to JA? Only in her mind... not his.

As someone mentioned before - one of her strategies with men is to do something, leave something, forget something, do favors, etc. for the purpose of staying connected, having to be in contact. That's the only reason she 'bought' Travis' car. The only reason she cleaned his house was to have access to every inch of it without being accused of snooping but doing just that. And doing it with no one around.

I think more evidence of JA's stalking and/or obsessiveness (without reciprocation - note the tone in Travis' texts re the car swap. Flat. Distant. Annoyed if anything).

She wants us to believe her SS card was in the garage but her registration was in her purse at all times. Seems to me the registration should be with the car since you may not always be in the car (especially if you are swapping out cars) and SS card should be on you when you are looking for a job. Seems backwards. jmo

 

[paperwing]

Regarding the two theories about the gun (the .25):

One being JA stole her grandfather's .25 and brought it with her,

The other being Travis had a .25 on a high shelf in his closet (which JA knew about, having seen it while cleaning) and retrieved it from there.

Since the actual gun will likely never be recovered, it would seem the weight of circumstantial information/evidence for either theory respectively could strengthen one over the other.

For the 'grandpa's gun' theory - there is at least known evidence of a physical gun stolen in a suspicious burglary - a physical connection between JA and the pistol (same house), and caliber matches at the murder scene.

For the 'Travis' gun' theory, all we have is JA's story. No friends (or police officer sister) having knowledge of Travis owning a gun, much less a .25, no sales, registration or license record indicating Travis legally owned a handgun, no mention of a secure safety box, container or case, ammo... no physical evidence or connection tying Travis to a .25 whatsoever. If there an actual gun owned by Travis, the risk of some sort of paper trail/record on it (however minimal - this is AZ) makes JA's taking it with her and hiding it just too ridiculous.

Seems to me the first theory is the strongest given what is known about both scenarios, imv.

Not that anyone reading here ever believed JA's gun story in the first place...

 

[Zeno49]

I've heard the talking heads complain about JM's line of questioning, but I absolutely love it. He jumps from topic to topic, and it's clearly rattling JA. She does quite well (if you can call it that) with Nurmi's methodical line of questioning from point A to Z. Juan doesn't operate that way and she's slipping up and can't seem to remember a darn thing anymore.

Like me, I hope the jury is taking notice of her amazing frappie memories to not knowing the name of the salon, or even how long she was there (besides hours and hours).

Brilliant I tell ya, just brilliant.


Mel

While it might be true that JM is intentionally proceeding with a desultory cross exam for purposes of confusing and trapping JA, it seems like a disjointed approach to the jury. We can assume or at least hope that JM will take time to summarize and bring together the evidence to insure the jury is comprehending the line of questioning.

I will argue that JA was never remotely rattled by any of the cross examination on Thursday. JA was in complete control of her answers including all of her sarcastic rejoinders. JA has mastery of all the states evidence arrayed against her. She knew the jail magazines were going to be presented and she will have an answer for the cryptic messages found written in them.

JA’s selected memory is strategic and carefully planned. For example, JM line of questioning regarding sequence of events on January 22, 2008:
JA carefully avoided pegging the time when she started her work and the time she left work. She carefully stated that she went to work in the morning and arrived at TA house in the afternoon. She carefully stated she did not remember any call placed to TA that morning where an arrangement to help TA with boxes would have been coordinated. JA undoubtedly knew about the sequence of text messages and TA cell phone calls.
She did NOT allow herself to trapped in a lie about the pedophilia discovery. She will claim that she arrived at TA house well before the documented texts and calls started in LATE afternoon.

JM points out NO ENTRY was made in JA private journal respecting the TA physical abuse or his pedophilia. She clearly implied in her rejoinders on the stand that she would NEVER have written about this “dirty little secret” in a journal, in cell phone text messages or telephone conversation with her Father. Her clear implication is that no evidence of journal reference to abuse or pedophilia is NOT probative and does NOT hurt her case at all.
The “broken left ring finger” incident/”lie” Jan 2008 will be completely rehabilitated when Nurmi conducts his defense cross exam. JA would never have divulged the TA secret – including getting medical attention, discussing problem with another trusted “friend” or writing about it. The photo JM produced revealed JA left hand and fingers that were ALL slightly flexed. JA could easily argue that JM’s photo was shot at an angle that did NOT reveal her ring finger injury.

JA did NOT in any way shape or form “slip up”during cross exam. She did NOT concede any inconsistencies. In fact JM opening salvo regarding reference to JA calling her sister “dumb” was ineffective confusing and a very poor choice respecting “how to open the cross”. The point fell flat like a lead balloon, and was forgotten within minutes of the prolonged testimony.

All in all JA shows composure and brimming self-confidence. She wore a smirk throughout her time on the stand which sent a signal to JM that NOT only is she NOT afraid of him but indeed she is actually smarter than JM. Her tone and demeanor on the stand Thursday were if to declare contemptuously:

“BRING IT ON, LITTLE JUAN””

 

[nursebeeme]

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[katydid23]

What is shows to me is Travis is no different than anyone else who has found themselves in a domestic violence situation. The more violent and threatening acts the abuser does the more the victim tries to reason with them and appease them keeping them calm so they will not act out further. They have seen what happens when they do not try to stay on the good side of the abuser.

Many victims in domestic violence situations have been murdered when red flags were falling everywhere but they did not report what was happening to them or the fear they felt or the shame and humiliation it caused them.

Travis, was a man, and men are taught to suck it up, and handle the situation themselves.. especially when it comes to being threatened by a violent female. That is why men are the least likely to tell. Society has taught them to 'shut up.'

Society doesnt seem to see females as dangerous as men. They even think it is acceptable when a female acts out after a breakup as if she is entitled and men arent. Society needs to wake the hell up, imo. It gives males who find themselves in these dangerous situations no support. Even their own male friends dont 'get it' and cant understand how a female can abuse or terrify a male who is larger than the female abuser.

We have so many myths going around in our society about how men cant be abused, physically, mentally and sexually.. its enough to make someone's head explode and it needs to stop.:furious:

IMO

Also, she may have convinced him it wasn't her that slashed the tires. She might have made it seem like it was one of the jealous ex boyfriends of Lisa or someone. There were a few other suspects. And since Travis's friends disliked her so much, he might have thought they were blaming her unfairly

Sociopaths are good at deflecting blame. They can even make you feel bad about suspecting you. She did not act untrustworthy around Travis in the beginning. In fact, she would act as though she was the only person in his life he could really depend upon. But slowly it starts to switch the other way around. Look at all of the things he was doing for her at one point. Loaning her $, loaning his car, allowing her to come and go from his home, even to 'crash there.'

Their relationship was not solely sex based. They dated for 6 months. At first, she tricked him into believing she was going to be a good Mormon girl, and a PPL partner. She edited his work, baked him cookies, studied the scriptures, and traveled with him. She was a chameleon. His friends could see it though. Eventually, it slowly occurred to him that she was untrustworthy and kind of skanky. But by that time, she had her claws firmly clenched and she was not letting go. Then he spent time trying to extricate himself. But he was inexperienced with intimate relationships. She introduced him to all that. So he was in way over his head.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

wowsa!!! what an incredibly thought provoking post! love it ANJ and secret sleuther!!

here is a j.a. self portrait... interestingly she looks rather Asian.
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i took the screen capture from the video in this link: "An exclusive look at Jodi Arias' life behind bars"

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...exclusive-look-at-jodi-arias-life-behind-bars

I think she fancies herself as the actress. Wasn't there a point where she tried to downplay her Hispanic heritage?

That is sooooooo insightful her painting herself Asian - oh my! :what:

 

[LambChop]

Anyone remember the final courtroom scene in "A Few Good Men?" Perfect example of drawing information out of a sociopath. jmo