jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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I calculated the time between each photo to see if there was a pattern or lapse of time. Here is what I found:

#1 5:22:24 Travis in shower arms crossed
#2 12 seconds later Travis lower back
#3 18 seconds Travis's back arms up
#4 36 seconds R profile of face with head up
#5 1 min R profile face looking down
#6 10 seconds L profile head up
#7 12 seconds same as previous only close-up
#8 4 seconds zoomed out of previous photo
#9 4 seconds arms on wall above head R profile
(Then almost 2 minutes elapse and he looks startled turning around on photo #11) Wonder if he thought she had left only to find she was back?
#10 1 min 56 seconds Travis's back arms above head facing away
#11 22 seconds later Startled look R hand up L profile
#12 1 min 36 seconds seconds later R profile head down water running on face
(Again a long lapse and then Travis looks upset.)
#13 26 seconds Eerie close-up of Travis's face angry or startled
Is he sitting on the floor like he is in the next photo?
#14 1 min 10 second Mid-section sitting on floor of shower
#15 44 seconds blurry ceiling shot
#16 1min 2 seconds dragging photo
#17 1min 16 seconds What is this photo of?
 
What about the "Kool-Aid" stains on the seats of the rental car and missing floor mats ?

Yeah if the car rental wasn't able to remove the koto laid aka blood stains from the rental car! Could LE still test?
 
AZLawyer answered a question of mine in the legal question thread and I must say I'm a little confused. I don't think the state would get a conviction on the felony murder charge if it fails to get a conviction on premeditated murder.

"Felony murder" gets you a first-degree murder conviction without the need to prove premeditation. It applies where a murder takes place in the course of committing another felony. In the indictment, the felony that was listed as the basis for the felony murder charge was 2nd degree burglary, based on Jodi entering TA's home without permission or remaining there after she was no longer a welcome guest with the intent to commit another felony. I think JM said in argument that the other felony she intended to commit was aggravated assault? But I'm not sure.

I can't really see JA being there without permission. Maybe he didn't invite her to stay but he didn't ask her to leave (as far as we know, based on the pictures and so forth). And aggravated assault? I think her plan was to murder him, not just hurt him.

I think she'll be found guilty of premeditated murder or nothing.


The state's premise was she was not a welcome guest after the first blow - be it gun shot or a knife stab. I'm in the stab first camp.
But both premeditation, and felony murder will get the jurors to murder 1
 
I've seen a lot of questions, or people wondering why JA would have secretly photograph TA if she didn't intend to keep the photographs for herself. Maybe she changed her mind once she saw that she had accidentally snapped shots of him during the murder? Maybe it made her nervous enough to delete ALL of the pictures? I still don't know why she just didn't take the memory card, but thank goodness she didn't because that card would be wherever the gun is now.

i don't think she had a clue what those pictures at the end showed. the police didn't until they enhanced them. she just thought they were of nothing.
 
Something that nags at me is how Jodi has an attitude that Travis "deserved" what he got because he was abusive, etc. This doesn't really match how domestic abuse victims would really feel, I'd imagine their attitude is more regret, relief (at the abuse being over), and a willingness to face the consequences.


Also, since Jodi allegedly confronted Travis about his pedophilia, even hoing so far as to procure the much ballyhooed "pamphlets" for him, doesn't it make sense that she would also pick up a few "domestic violence" pamphlets while she was there? I mean, DV pamphlets actually DO exist. Her stories are so stupid at times.

Also, I can't praise Juan enough for his prosecution tactic. On first day of cross, she was in battle mode, defiant, in full Mad Hatter Routine (up is down, day is night). Juan realized getting caught up with her in the weeds was successfully getting him off track. The next day he started getting Mike to read back the questions instead of reengaging her. He also became more aggresive, attacking and insulting "do you have a memory problem?" "You do understand what we are talking about here, right". "Are you following along? Are you having a problem understanding what we are talking about"?

All of these tough, "abusive " tactics were purposely designed to get her goat, hurt her pride and show her true colors (combatitive, superior, aggressive). I'd bet a chocolate cake Juan has psychological advisors who consult with him about how to unnerve a sociopath.
 
Travis having "gone to the bishop" casts a whole new light on the above. Once a sexually active single Mormon has "gone to the bishop," a whole process of repentence is started up. He has to name the partner and that partner's bishop is informed that an affair has been transpiring. The partner is called into their bishop's office.

The reporting person is considered the more righteous. Women are considered less culpable than men. A man who is reported for sexual misconduct (by neighbors, friends, etc) may be either disfellowshipped or sent up the ladder of authority to the stake level for an excommunication trial, which is called a "Court of Love." It looks just like an inquisition with 15 or so chairs in a half circle around the single chair of the accused in the
center. It is not really a trial (no witnesses or facts) just the all-male suits talking and the accused. A person may be excommunicated even if they are repentent and promise to drop the person.

At some point after Arias left Mesa, and after the phone sex, Travis went to the bishop, according to Dateline. He would have to go back and confess again if he had sex with Arias after the visit. He was able to avoid losing his membership or undergoing the embarrassment of disfellowship by promising to cut her out of his life completely. He bailed on his plans to see her but did not tell her he had gone to the bishop out of fear of retaliation (he knew who slashed his tires....etc)

I think Jodi found out he had gone to his bishop and began to realize that she had lost all those wonderful friends (actually Travis' friends) in Arizona and now she was going to be facing excommunication herself as the unrepentant person in a fornication case. The actions of those courts are announced in Mormon leadership meetings and become the fodder for gossip. My point: he was taking away her reputation by confessing and naming her.

Nobody takes anything away from Ms. Arias. I believe that's when she began assembling evidence--taped the sex phone call, tried to find anything incriminating and ruin his reputation in return.

If he was going to dump her and take away from her the connection to the Mormon Church and PPL (intertwined), how would she be able to *advertiser censored* jump from man to man posing as a sincere believer/insurance saleswoman?

It was a lot harder from her Yreka bedroom at Grandma's than it was to throw that chum out in the water and sucker in a rich guy at a conference in Las Vegas.

To back up my point-

SHE NEVER WORKED THE PPL, just went to meetings. She made a grand total of $1700 in a year-- and that was with personal help from Travis and weekly inspirational phone calls from Gus.

SHE NEVER LIVED LIKE A MORMON, failing to keep the most basic rules which were promised at baptism. Believe me, as a single bombshell, those rules were laid out to her in fourth grade vocabulary.

SHE NEVER SOLD A PHOTOGRAPH, choosing to "focus" on her interest in taking pictures and turning down a good-paying career as a wedding planner because that did not put her in proximity to rich eligible bachelors, rather put her next to women less pretty (in her view) than she was and they were getting married!

ROAD TRIPS were not vacations and she refused to allow them to be referred to that way. They were her work. Photography was a way to justify the road trips where she leaped from man to man to man, making bank deposits along the way.

SHe thought she had it made in the shade latching onto MOrmonism because it was a way she could APPEAR to be religious or good without being that way. And she could be among a ton of men eager to get married. Which was EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTED It is far more effective for a maneater like Jodi to be Mormon because unlike other religions, it is considered to be unspiritual and slightly weird to be unmarried; therefore, the men are all looking for wives. Also, they are naive.

Utah is the multi-level marketing mecca of the USA. It is also the state with the most white collar affinity crime - Mormons on Mormons. Young men ages 16-24 in Utah have the highest suicide rate in the United States. Utah is the state with the largest *advertiser censored* consumption in the nation. The whole focus on not-masturbating creates tragedies and mental illness for many normal Mormon males. As a single attractive female convert in Mormonism, EVERY SINGLE MAN I dated asked me to marry him-- and quickly too! I soon realized this was not my charms in action, this was a cultural problem.

Against this backdrop crawls forth Jodi Arias. She must have thought she died and went to heaven at her first Mormon-loaded PPL meeting. To hell with you, Daryll, I found some MARRY-MINDED boys and I have what they want.

She saw herself as having something unique to offer--the kinks of the worldly experience with the absolution of baptism and now she's clean, childless and oh-so-available.

Travis' rejection was taking away from her his love and allowing another woman to have what she felt was hers. It was also taking away from her the entire stage of theater on which she was performing so beautifully. She went from bed to bed to bed and in the Prepaid Legal world, she could travel the country that way-- she might never need to work. Imagine how she felt when she acquired a BMW from Travis! She was SET!

Now he was going to not only take away his love, but take her reputation with him, and now she learns he's gone to the bishop. That is the real end of the relationship. The going to the bishop. Her masquerade was definitely over.

I don't believe he had sex with Jodi when she showed up. I think he forbade her to come. I believe she took photos of him staging sex with the kY tubes while he was sleeping and photos of herself.

anagrammy, i think you're a treasure. your insight into this case with your knowledge of mormonism is greatly appreciated by me!! everything you've written here makes perfect sense. i do think his conversation on the bishop played a role in this, and i think her mentioning her 'reputation' to flores was no accident.
 
Yeah if the car rental wasn't able to remove the koto laid aka blood stains from the rental car! Could LE still test?

Depending on what method they used to clean the seats...I wonder if inside the seat cushion there wouldn't be evidence to test.

eta.. but then it isn't important to the case because she admits killing him.
 
i don't think she had a clue what those pictures at the end showed. the police didn't until they enhanced them. she just thought they were of nothing.

:floorlaugh:

And boy oh boy ...
you can bet JA was sure surprised when she saw those dragging photos
with her foot and athletic pants visible! :what:

:floorlaugh: poetic justice!
 
Sure, as long as he doesn't totally ignore them. We'll have to wait and see.

I wish there were more evidence about what actually happened to make him so mad. One thing I know, it was not for the reasons Jodi gave.
 
So basically, (simplifying it a lot tbh), the moment Jodi started attacking Travis, she became guilty of 2nd degree burglary (and or assault). So because death is a result of that, they got her for felony murder? :waitasec:

Well yeah that and the fact that B should have kept her azz at home in Yreka and let Travis get on with his life is we're she faltered . iMO
 
Something that nags at me is how Jodi has an attitude that Travis "deserved" what he got because he was abusive, etc. This doesn't really match how domestic abuse victims would really feel, I'd imagine their attitude is more regret, relief (at the abuse being over), and a willingness to face the consequences.


Also, since Jodi allegedly confronted Travis about his pedophilia, even hoing so far as to procure the much ballyhooed "pamphlets" for him, doesn't it make sense that she would also pick up a few "domestic violence" pamphlets while she was there? I mean, DV pamphlets actually DO exist. Her stories are so stupid at times.

Also, I can't praise Juan enough for his prosecution tactic. On first day of cross, she was in battle mode, defiant, in full Mad Hatter Routine (up is down, day is night). Juan realized getting caught up with her in the weeds was successfully getting him off track. The next day he started getting Mike to read back the questions instead of reengaging her. He also became more aggresive, attacking and insulting "do you have a memory problem?" "You do understand what we are talking about here, right". "Are you following along? Are you having a problem understanding what we are talking about"?

All of these tough, "abusive " tactics were purposely designed to get her goat, hurt her pride and show her true colors (combatitive, superior, aggressive). I'd bet a chocolate cake Juan has psychological advisors who consult with him about how to unnerve a sociopath.


Most Abuse Victims have been programmed to feel that THEY have done something to cause what is happening to them...It took a very long time for me to be de-programmed and then a very long time to get over feeling weak for allowing myself to be programmed that way...vicious cycle..
 
All these negative thoughts about the monster walking free. Please. Back away from the edge. When is the last time Juan Martinez lost a case? Let's start there.
 
Ok Ws'ers is In Session off the air tomorrow. Where can we watch the trial? TIA
 
The problem with the seat cushions in the back of the rental car is chain of custody. LE would have had to seize the car immediately after JA turned it in, and before anyone cleaned it or rented it after her. Once it's been touched by anyone else, that's it. Too late now.
 
Ok Ws'ers is In Session off the air tomorrow. Where can we watch the trial? TIA

See the links in post #1 of every thread. You may have to watch it online, but many of us do and it works quite well, with no commercials.
 
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