Remember also that PR was packing/getting ready for two trips that day. There was bound to be clothes strewn about the bedrooms, though this was normal for them anyway. Housekeeper Linda Hoffman-Pugh said there were no hampers in the home- clothes were dropped where they were taken off, even underwear.
About that multocolor sweater on JBR' bed...how old was Ariana Pugh? I do recall PR inviting her housekeeper and her daughter to stay for the party on the 23rd, which they hadn't originally planned to attend. Ariana did not have a suitable outfit, so PR lent her one. I assumed PR lent her one of JBR's sweaters, not one of her own. I thought she was a similar age to JBR. In a household like that, it isn't ususual to see that sweater still on the bed in JBR's room.
BTW, look at the master bedroom photos. NO ONE slept in that bed either. The bottom corner is NEATLY folded back as if to seem to look for someone under it. First of all, if there had been no note, and I discovered my 6-year old not in her room at 5am, I'd be frantically searching, not folding the bedcovers back so neatly (in a sloppy household at that!). WITH the note, why look under there at all? You think the "kidnappers" would hide her THERE (with the parents SLEEPING in the bed?) Actually, once you have the note, why look anywhere? If she'd kidnapped, she's NOT hiding.
Possibly- adult ADD manifests differently in different people. My 31-year old daughter was diagnosed in college. She's been taking Ritalin since then. She couldn't drive or manage without it. She managed to be Valedictorian of her law school class. Not that Ritalin makes you smarter. It doesn't, but it does allow you to focus on using the knowledge you have and it helps you organize your thoughts.
Then again, some people are just slobs. PR seemed to manage her daughter's pageant life just fine.
I was wondering about that too...how old Ariana was at that time, and if she could have even worn one of Patsy's sweaters. AND WHY did Patsy say that it belonged to JB???? I am sure that she had her reasons for lying about that sweater. LOL...good point about the kidnappers not hiding JB under the parent's bed, when they were SLEEPING there. The flipping of the corner, I am sure...was just all part of the staging...IMO
Haven't we heard before that there were fibers from the cord in Jb's bed? If that is true then how can the wood shaving be outside the winecellar door unless the wood part was only for staging and the cord was the only thing used to strangle her while in her bed.....maybe?:waitasec:trixie,
It is one of the subtle factors to this case, there is much more staging than at first appears. What seems an open and shut case of an intruder homicide slowly unravels into separate stagings.
Some people suggest she may have been killed outside the wine-cellar door, others that the final staging was effected here e.g. garrote, taped mouth, hand constraints etc. The wood shavings discovered outside the wine-cellar door imply it was created there.
So JonBenet may have already been dead prior to arriving outside the wine-cellar, she may have been killed and cleaned up elsewhere e.g. upstairs?
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Haven't we heard before that there were fibers from the cord in Jb's bed? If that is true then how can the wood shaving be outside the winecellar door unless the wood part was only for staging and the cord was the only thing used to strangle her while in her bed.....maybe?:waitasec:
but I thought it was said that urine from her bladder relaxing upon death was found outside the WC door,with that being the place death occured when the ligature cut off her oxygen.
trixie,
Those were fibers from rope, the ligature is made from nylon, but that does not prevent her being either manually strangled or asphyxiated by adding a paintbrush handle to the ligature prior to placing her into the wine-cellar.
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so a prior staging was done on the bed,with someone going to get the paintbrush(and rope?) from the basement,breaking the brush b/f taking it up to her room,perhaps? but if that were the case,then wouldn't shards from the brush be found on her bed? so unless that info is being held back,the handle was added later.
.....either that,or the rope was just placed there temporarily.
No way in heck do I believe,nor ever would,that an intruder brought the rope w/ him.How could he even know he could find ppr large enough to write a 3 pge RN on? I never have anything larger than a small notepad in my house,as I'm sure many other ppl do as well.Wonder how many sticky notes it would take to write a 3 pge RN? In that case 'Mr Intruder' would have had to stick them all over the stairs,lol.
Possibly then later revised?so a prior staging was done on the bed
Not quite, she was carried down to the basement where the garrote was created, then applied, along with any other features , tape, wrist constraints etc.with someone going to get the paintbrush(and rope?) from the basement,breaking the brush b/f taking it up to her room,perhaps?
JMO8778,
Possibly then later revised?
Not quite, she was carried down to the basement where the garrote was created, then applied, along with any other features , tape, wrist constraints etc.
I think the rope fibers originate from JAR's room, I forget right now, but a prior staging is quite probable?
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JMO8778,
Possibly then later revised?
Not quite, she was carried down to the basement where the garrote was created, then applied, along with any other features , tape, wrist constraints etc.
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then why the rope fibers on her bed? I think it was said the cord was cut there?why bring it upstairs..why not just cut it in the basement?
The pink article of clothing is JonBenet's pink pajama top...the one she went to bed in Christmas eve.
The pillow at the foot of the bed suggests to me JonBenet was watching a video that night....or the night before. She watches tv while lying at the foot of the bed and staring into her closet where the tv is hooked up.
The sweater belongs to Patsy...she lent it to Ariana Pugh on the 23d of December. Most likely Ariana removed it in JonBenet's bedroom and placed it on the bed.
Patsy, Burke and JonBenet are the slobs...they leave their clothes right where they drop them. John is the only tidy member of the family.
JMO8778,
The rope fibers can mean many things, not least, a prior staging later abandonded, with the rope being sourced from JAR's room? Alternately JonBenet was cleaned up and staged in some manner in JAR's room?
from the pics,yes,they do look different,like the one in JAR's room was a thick one.The cord and rope are separate material one is I assume, hemp and the other is nylon.
possible,but she was still alive for the paintbrush injury staging,which seems to have occured bet. the manual and ligature,would you agree? I can't recall your sequence of events.Is it possible she was manually strangled to unconsciousness,then carried to the basement,staged injury inflicted(and perhaps she awoke and screamed here???),then ligature strangled to death?JonBenet appears to have been asphyxiated by the nylon cord, appears is the operative word since I am not entirely convinced, she may have simply been manually strangled then the nylon ligature and paintbrush handle added in the basement to mask the manual strangulation?
why would they do that? that might implicate JAR?
from the pics,yes,they do look different,like the one in JAR's room was a thick one.
possible,but she was still alive for the paintbrush injury staging,which seems to have occured bet. the manual and ligature,would you agree? I can't recall your sequence of events.Is it possible she was manually strangled to unconsciousness,then carried to the basement,staged injury inflicted(and perhaps she awoke and screamed here???),then ligature strangled to death?
Sure and so there is a motive for changing the staging?why would they do that? that might implicate JAR?
Possibly or before she was manually strangled?possible,but she was still alive for the paintbrush injury staging,which seems to have occured bet. the manual and ligature,would you agree?
Yes this is possible, but the odds are on her being dead prior to reaching the basement?I can't recall your sequence of events.Is it possible she was manually strangled to unconsciousness,then carried to the basement,staged injury inflicted(and perhaps she awoke and screamed here???),then ligature strangled to death?
I don't recall ever seeing much about forensic evidence from that white blanket JBR was wrapped in. I'd love to know if it did have any urine stains, fibers or wood shards in it. I do recall that what was first thought to be a pubic hair was found, later this hair was identified as an ancillary (arm) hair belonging to PR. Now, that raises a flag as far as I am concerned. Anyone could see how PR's hair would be on her daughter's blanket- she strips the wet sheets every day. BUT this blanket supposedly came right from the basement dyer (LHP mentioned the blanket was always washed and dried in the heavy-duty washer/dryer in the basement, but sheets were washed in the smaller stacking set outside JBR's room.
There was a thick hemp rope found in a brown paper bag in JAR's room, I believe. This was exactly like the rope seen in photos of JBR with braids dressed in jeans and a checked shirt, kind of a county-girl look for one of her photo shoots. I don't know if it is the SAME rope, but it looks like it.
Speaking of JAR's cowboy- themed Christmas tree- as we all know, PR went over the top that year decorating for the Colorado Christmas house tour, and nearly every room had it's own tree, with the kids' trees having personalized themes. JAR's had little cowboy boots and hats, and the rope was proably used as garlend. That reminded me of the story of the "mysterious cowboy boots" found next to JBR's bed in Charlevoix, and the bed looked like it had been slept in. It was thought some "intruder" (sound familiar?) broke in and slept in JBR's bed. And left barefoot, I suppose.
Didn't anyone ever think it was JAR? I mean, he was the one who had the "cowboy" thing. Anyone know if he had cowboy boots?
I don't recall ever seeing much about forensic evidence from that white blanket JBR was wrapped in. I'd love to know if it did have any urine stains, fibers or wood shards in it. I do recall that what was first thought to be a pubic hair was found, later this hair was identified as an ancillary (arm) hair belonging to PR. Now, that raises a flag as far as I am concerned. Anyone could see how PR's hair would be on her daughter's blanket- she strips the wet sheets every day. BUT this blanket supposedly came right from the basement dyer (LHP mentioned the blanket was always washed and dried in the heavy-duty washer/dryer in the basement, but sheets were washed in the smaller stacking set outside JBR's room.
There was a thick hemp rope found in a brown paper bag in JAR's room, I believe. This was exactly like the rope seen in photos of JBR with braids dressed in jeans and a checked shirt, kind of a county-girl look for one of her photo shoots. I don't know if it is the SAME rope, but it looks like it.
Speaking of JAR's cowboy- themed Christmas tree- as we all know, PR went over the top that year decorating for the Colorado Christmas house tour, and nearly every room had it's own tree, with the kids' trees having personalized themes. JAR's had little cowboy boots and hats, and the rope was proably used as garlend. That reminded me of the story of the "mysterious cowboy boots" found next to JBR's bed in Charlevoix, and the bed looked like it had been slept in. It was thought some "intruder" (sound familiar?) broke in and slept in JBR's bed. And left barefoot, I suppose.
Didn't anyone ever think it was JAR? I mean, he was the one who had the "cowboy" thing. Anyone know if he had cowboy boots?