Juror questions for Alyce LaViolette: what is your opinion?

[SwampMama]

She is clueless and useless. here's the thing about her "men are abusers, women are victims" bs.

It appears she a lesbian, in a lesbian relationship. No doubt she knows many other gay couples and may even see some of them as a counselor (or whatever the heck she is).

In Female/female realtionships with DV, if one is the victim then the other (a woman!!) is the abuser!

In Male/Male relationships with DV, if one is the abuser, then the other (a male) is the victim!

See? Unless she is stating that there is no DV and abuse in gay relationships, and honeychile, I am here to tell you there can be a lot. i was raised by a gay parent and there was DV galore.

So Alyce is a liar or incredibly ignorant. I'm putting my money on "liar".

 

[Ransom]

ALV is full of caca. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

In order to garner sympathy to distract from her own bad behavior. It's a transparent tactic.

For example, one woman conning the skeptical community, Rebecca Watson, feels free to make disparaging and often sexist remarks, but she has made a career out of giving convention speeches about how mean people were to her on the internet alluding to "rape and death threats" that she never gets around to providing evidence of. Mostly, people are just reacting to her being an annoying narcissistic pill.

Recently a woman at a tech conference, Adria Richardson overheard two guys behind her making a joke about "having a big dongle" (a dongle is a computer component, she either didn't know that or, as it didn't serve her outrage, didn't care). She took it on herself to take a picture of the guys, tweets how sexually harassed she felt, had them escorted from the conference and eventually fired. The backlash against her ended with her own firing. Running the playbook, she began focusing on how harassed and threatened she felt.

The above, like LaViolette, feel eminently qualified to be the arbiter of male behavior -- as a subset of being arbiter of all things through nonsensical post-modernist "context" -- at all times and in all places and especially in conversations they weren't invited into. That may be what happens when a person never really grows up and thinks everyone is a stuffed animal at their own personal tea party.

Alyce LaViolette is simply doing the same thing. She went into court, lying and misrepresenting in order to at least mitigate the punishment of a violent murderer, slander the name of the victim and act out her own contemptuous fantasies of her own competence. Rather than owning the outrage against her, she has decided that she is beyond reproach and is, in fact, a victim.

Articles have come out about the reviews of her book as as sort of internet lynching, as if the "theory" of her writings can be separated from the "practice" of her testimony. We can't know how many people have been hurt by LaViolette by either following her biased advice, her family court testimony, and the groups she runs, but I suspect this case is simply the tip of the iceberg. The only thing left for the shameless is to play victim.

Guys can do the same thing, but women tend to get more sympathy in this tactic due to a sort of benign sexism where women are seen as less accountable and more deserving of protection. Of course, real women, like real men, suck it up and own their actions.

It's essentially the sympathetic blackmail version of saying "Hey, look, a squirrel!"

Fantastic post! I'm giving you a standing ovation!


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[crimesnooper]

Fantastic post! I'm giving you a standing ovation!


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Disagree. I feel ALv has been so maligned becuase she offered an opionion that disagreed from what everyone wanted to hear. You may not agree with her findings, which is fair, but I don't feel she lied, hates men ect., claimed that only women are the victims of Dv, and she anaylysed data from TA's own words that gave her a profile of what role he played in the relationship.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Disagree. I feel ALv has been so maligned becuase she offered an opionion that disagreed from what everyone wanted to hear. You may not agree with her findings, which is fair, but I don't feel she lied, hates men ect., claimed that only women are the victims of Dv, and she anaylysed data from TA's own words that gave her a profile of what role he played in the relationship.

You know that saying 'to the hammer everything looks like a nail'? I think that's what happened here, ALV saw DV because she is attuned to seeing DV .. BUT here's where all sympathy goes out the window .. she also saw pedophilia where only forgery existed .. after being made aware of the forgery, she still saw pedophilia. Why is that? Because she had already said it was there. She had seen a 'pattern of behaviour' which went along with it, or said she had, and her fragile ego wouldn't allow her to back down from that claim because ALV has built a self image on being right about such things.

She became a 'victim' because it was all she could do in that space .. I think it's likely the symptoms were real, but not because of external pressure on HER, but rather slithers of reality peeping through about the self she couldn't handle, which manifested themselves as physical symptoms.

Cognitive Dissonance can be very uncomfortable.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Disagree. I feel ALv has been so maligned becuase she offered an opionion that disagreed from what everyone wanted to hear. You may not agree with her findings, which is fair, but I don't feel she lied, hates men ect., claimed that only women are the victims of Dv, and she anaylysed data from TA's own words that gave her a profile of what role he played in the relationship.

Thankfully. It's a free country and we're each entitled to our own... even if its wrong. I am just joking...lol

To get a grasp on how she twisted her defense of Jodi and bashing Travis ... Just look at her " he wanted to marry a gold digger comment ...then read what he actually said.

Personally I think ALV missed her calling. She would have been a fantastic defense attorney.


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[ATasteOfHoney]

In order to garner sympathy to distract from her own bad behavior. It's a transparent tactic.

For example, one woman conning the skeptical community, Rebecca Watson, feels free to make disparaging and often sexist remarks, but she has made a career out of giving convention speeches about how mean people were to her on the internet alluding to "rape and death threats" that she never gets around to providing evidence of. Mostly, people are just reacting to her being an annoying narcissistic pill.

Recently a woman at a tech conference, Adria Richardson overheard two guys behind her making a joke about "having a big dongle" (a dongle is a computer component, she either didn't know that or, as it didn't serve her outrage, didn't care). She took it on herself to take a picture of the guys, tweets how sexually harassed she felt, had them escorted from the conference and eventually fired. The backlash against her ended with her own firing. Running the playbook, she began focusing on how harassed and threatened she felt.

The above, like LaViolette, feel eminently qualified to be the arbiter of male behavior -- as a subset of being arbiter of all things through nonsensical post-modernist "context" -- at all times and in all places and especially in conversations they weren't invited into. That may be what happens when a person never really grows up and thinks everyone is a stuffed animal at their own personal tea party.

Alyce LaViolette is simply doing the same thing. She went into court, lying and misrepresenting in order to at least mitigate the punishment of a violent murderer, slander the name of the victim and act out her own contemptuous fantasies of her own competence. Rather than owning the outrage against her, she has decided that she is beyond reproach and is, in fact, a victim.

Articles have come out about the reviews of her book as as sort of internet lynching, as if the "theory" of her writings can be separated from the "practice" of her testimony. We can't know how many people have been hurt by LaViolette by either following her biased advice, her family court testimony, and the groups she runs, but I suspect this case is simply the tip of the iceberg. The only thing left for the shameless is to play victim.

Guys can do the same thing, but women tend to get more sympathy in this tactic due to a sort of benign sexism where women are seen as less accountable and more deserving of protection. Of course, real women, like real men, suck it up and own their actions.

It's essentially the sympathetic blackmail version of saying "Hey, look, a squirrel!"

BBM: Phenominal post----please continue to contribute your insightful, astute observations, Mykeru.

 

[crimesnooper]

Thankfully. It's a free country and we're each entitled to our own... even if its wrong. I am just joking...lol

To get a grasp on how she twisted her defense of Jodi and bashing Travis ... Just look at her " he wanted to marry a gold digger comment ...then read what he actually said.

Personally I think ALV missed her calling. She would have been a fantastic defense attorney.


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It's a free country and we're each entitled to our own... even if its wrong. I am just joking...lol
No your not ...just kidding:floorlaugh:

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's a free country and we're each entitled to our own... even if its wrong. I am just joking...lol
No your not ...just kidding:floorlaugh:

Lol I love ya anyway and your avatar!


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[ATasteOfHoney]

......umm, the malice of Alyce........hmmm.....

 

[LambChop]

Thankfully. It's a free country and we're each entitled to our own... even if its wrong. I am just joking...lol

To get a grasp on how she twisted her defense of Jodi and bashing Travis ... Just look at her " he wanted to marry a gold digger comment ...then read what he actually said.

Personally I think ALV missed her calling. She would have been a fantastic defense attorney.


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ALV sold true DV victims out with her testimony. Real victims of DV must be appalled for ALV defending Jodi's actions. I predict ALV will try to redeem herself by making a statement after the trial that she did not have all the facts.

 

[crz4mm2]

ALV sold true DV victims out with her testimony. Real victims of DV must be appalled for ALV defending Jodi's actions. I predict ALV will try to redeem herself by making a statement after the trial that she did not have all the facts.

I agree.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree.

IMO she would never humble herself to apologize.


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[katiecoolady]

IMO she would never humble herself to apologize.


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I imagine a Spin Doctor would tell her it's her only choice for saving her career, what's left of it. To apologize and somehow blame Jodi. Yet I don't see it happening either. She will slither away in to oblivion after imploding her entire life's work.

 

[crz4mm2]

IMO she would never humble herself to apologize.


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Oh, I don't think she will apologize, I just think she will make a stumbled bumbling STATEMENT about having facts may have changed her testimony.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Dear Alyce;

What line of work is Occupational Rehab training you for now?

 

[Katie-L]

Judging by her resume - Alyce LaViollette is closing on 70 years old. So whatever fantasies people have of destroying her career are just that.

Everyone IS entitled to their opinion.

But does that include verbally bullying a woman because she said something you don't agree with?

Ms LaViollette is a brilliant author (I'm reading her book right now - and it's very, very balanced), a woman who has spent her entire life fighting to advance awareness of domestic violence. She's been consulted by legislators and educational institutes all over the world - and prosecutors.

If you choose to believe that she was biased in her opinion on this case - that's fine. If you don't like the way she interpreted the information given her, that's fine. If you think she was wrong, that's fine.

But how does that justify comments like: "her whole career should go down the toilet, she's a liar, she's a schemer, etc" basically a whole volley of unbelievable hatred pouring out all over this thread and the internet.

There are plenty of opinions on this forum I don't personally like. But - believe me - I am not going to stalk those people, I'm not going to blindly hate who they are and I'm certainly not going to try and derail their career or subject them to online bullying.

Shouldn't this woman be given the same basic, human respect?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Judging by her resume - Alyce LaViollette is closing on 70 years old. So whatever fantasies people have of destroying her career are just that.

Everyone IS entitled to their opinion.

But does that include verbally bullying a woman because she said something you don't agree with?

Ms LaViollette is a brilliant author (I'm reading her book right now - and it's very, very balanced), a woman who has spent her entire life fighting to advance awareness of domestic violence. She's been consulted by legislators and educational institutes all over the world - and prosecutors.

If you choose to believe that she was biased in her opinion on this case - that's fine. If you don't like the way she interpreted the information given her, that's fine. If you think she was wrong, that's fine.

But how does that justify comments like: "her whole career should go down the toilet, she's a liar, she's a schemer, etc" basically a whole volley of unbelievable hatred pouring out all over this thread and the internet.

There are plenty of opinions on this forum I don't personally like. But - believe me - I am not going to stalk those people, I'm not going to blindly hate who they are and I'm certainly not going to try and derail their career or subject them to online bullying.

Shouldn't this woman be given the same basic, human respect?

I haven't read about anyone stalking her., is that what she's claiming?

I don't know her well enough to hate her.

She is a liar. That much was proven. She sold her soul IMO to boost her book sales. IMO

No one need to take action to derail her career. She needs no help, she did that herself.

The last thing she will ever get from me is respect. She hasn't earned it.

All IMO


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[Katie-L]

I haven't read about anyone stalking her., is that what she's claiming?

I have no idea what she's personally claiming. Media is making the claim. In news sites around the world. Just have a look at her Amazon account. It's sick and disgusting.

Also looking at this thread.... lets see... ALV is apparently a man-hating Lesbian, ugly, balding, finished, worth nothing, greedy, scheming, liar, doesn't deserve basic human respect, etc.

How is that an opinion on her testimony???? How is that even a legit opinion on anyone - stranger or otherwise?


EDIT:
Below is a link to an article on the mobbing, harrassment and bullying of Alyce, by a psychologist who disagreed with her testimony entirely (and entirely disagrees with the harrassment).

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beyond-bullying/201304/the-mobbing-alyce-laviolette

Here are some general articles on the harassment and what some (including a judge) is calling witness intimidation:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-trial/2073067/

---sorry--- broken link

 

[GetToTheTruthNow]

Judging by her resume - Alyce LaViollette is closing on 70 years old. So whatever fantasies people have of destroying her career are just that.

Everyone IS entitled to their opinion.

But does that include verbally bullying a woman because she said something you don't agree with?

Ms LaViollette is a brilliant author (I'm reading her book right now - and it's very, very balanced), a woman who has spent her entire life fighting to advance awareness of domestic violence. She's been consulted by legislators and educational institutes all over the world - and prosecutors.

If you choose to believe that she was biased in her opinion on this case - that's fine. If you don't like the way she interpreted the information given her, that's fine. If you think she was wrong, that's fine.

But how does that justify comments like: "her whole career should go down the toilet, she's a liar, she's a schemer, etc" basically a whole volley of unbelievable hatred pouring out all over this thread and the internet.

There are plenty of opinions on this forum I don't personally like. But - believe me - I am not going to stalk those people, I'm not going to blindly hate who they are and I'm certainly not going to try and derail their career or subject them to online bullying.

Shouldn't this woman be given the same basic, human respect?

I thought she was just 65, and not 70. But she needs to retire in my opinion.

She is not brilliant at anything and very biased in my opinion--and not balanced at all in what she says.

We agree on the "fine" paragraph.

Look, as far as her career going down the drain---her comments were self-evident with nine days on the stand and her biased (my opinion) You-tube videos, she can only blame herself.

Good grief---she claims people were "cyber-stalking" her? Isn't that what it was when people were voicing opinions? You don't see Samuel's playing a victim and people were vocal about him as well.

Respect is earned---any respect she had she flushed down the toilet in my opinion.