Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 2

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Wow! @GoBuckeyes that is terrible about your brother! My ex used to use my baby kitten as his "sight" target. Used to annoy me.

We may never know what happened, and even if we did find out that there was some sort of motive, it still doesn't make it right. We don't excuse vigilante justice. Especially from LEO, who are held to a higher standard. We trust them to uphold the law. Not to go blazing into a judge's office and start shooting an unarmed man.
 
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Except that plaintiffs tried to and could not obtain the unredacted documents from Fields’s criminal attorney because they could not be located. I’m not arguing with the judge’s decision, but I sure don’t blame a frustrated plaintiffs’ attorney in a civil case for being frustrated when the unredacted documents could not be located by the obvious other source.

Source: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65590626/111/adkins-v-fields/

Here is the text:

“Plaintiffs obtained heavily redacted records from the Attorney General’s office earlier this year and have shared these documents with the parties to this action. The redactioin of these records2 makes it difficult for Plaintiffs to ascertain the full breadth of information contained in these records which relate directly to Plaintiffs’ claims in the case sub judice. Plaintiffs worked

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diligently to obtain these documents through discovery from Defendant Fields, but have been told the Defendant Fields’ criminal attorney, who purportedly has had health issues recently, was unable to locate these documents. As such, and after much discussion with all counsel in this
action, the parties agreed that the best course was to obtain these records through subpoena to the Attorney General’s office.”

I think we all agree that the deputy’s actions were despicable. No doubt. But to the extent that there were significant redactions from the documents that appeared to directly apply to the civil case, and since the less redacted documents were provided to Fields’ criminal defense attorney but they could not be supplied by the criminal attorney to the civil attorney, it is also no doubt that the civil attorney’s curiosity was piqued.

However, I agree completely with @Seattle1 ’s point that the parties were prepared to go to mediation immediately before the shooting of KM. Immediately after the shooting, however, a stay was requested by both parties and approved by the judge in the civil case.

That’s the long. The short is this: there very well could be material in those documents that connects MS to others. Or maybe there’s nothing there. Clearly, the plaintiffs in the civil case have decided to wait for their payout in the belief that *something* is there that would increase their chances for more money. Not at all sure if that could involve KM or not.

All Moo.

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You certainly may be correct, but I guess I naively had some hope/faith that the attorney for the Plaintiff in the Civil Suit were agreeing to a continuance/delay out of respect for the grieving families and community.
 
Wow! @GoBuckeyes that is terrible about your brother! My ex used to use my baby kitten as his "sight" target. Used to annoy me.

We may never know what happened, and even if we did find out that there was some sort of motive, it still doesn't make it right. We don't excuse vigilante justice. Especially from LEO, who are held to a higher standard. We trust them to uphold the law. Not to go blazing into a judge's office and start shooting an unarmed man.
Agree!!! No excuse for vigilante justice, especially from LE! Sheriff's life was not threatened and that's the only time it's justified. I'm seeing people online applauding this and I'm like, "What has gotten into this world?" What about the rule of law? People watch too much TV these days. MOO.....
 
Stamper says Stines called his own daughter from Mullins' phone, and her phone "number was on there." Stamper said Stines shot the judge just seconds later.

The detective said they have not yet looked at Stines' daughter's phone, but she has made statements to police about her conversations with Mullins.


He also said that an officer told him Stines made this comment right after the shooting, “They’re trying to kidnap my wife and kid."




Who are the “they”?
 
Wow! @GoBuckeyes that is terrible about your brother! My ex used to use my baby kitten as his "sight" target. Used to annoy me.

We may never know what happened, and even if we did find out that there was some sort of motive, it still doesn't make it right. We don't excuse vigilante justice. Especially from LEO, who are held to a higher standard. We trust them to uphold the law. Not to go blazing into a judge's office and start shooting an unarmed man.
That was the first and last time my brother did that. We had a heart-to-heart, shall we say? Using any living thing as a sight target is just wrong. It only takes one mistake to change a life forever, or to end one. I'm a bit of a safety nut across the board, but especially around firearms and electricity. They aren't very forgiving, and sometimes you don't get a second chance to do things the right way.

Knowing his motive wouldn't make it right, but it would help to know that he didn't just wake up one day and decide to execute one of his best friends.
 
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The two were once married to a pair of sisters, and Butler said his two daughters called Mullins “unkie.”

 
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The two were once married to a pair of sisters, and Butler said his two daughters called Mullins “unkie.”

Just to clarify, "Butler" is not the shooter. That was Mickey Stines.

Matt Butler is the Letcher County Commonwealth’s Attorney who was once the BIL of Mullins and has recused himself because of the relationship.
 
Initially posted on October 1, 2024. For information purposes only.

Kentucky State Police on the stand says another officer heard former sheriff #ShawnStines say while in custody:

“They are trying to kidnap my wife and kid”

Note: hearsay and double hearsay are allowed in a preliminary hearing with only a judge making the decisions.

 
Wow! @GoBuckeyes that is terrible about your brother! My ex used to use my baby kitten as his "sight" target. Used to annoy me.

We may never know what happened, and even if we did find out that there was some sort of motive, it still doesn't make it right. We don't excuse vigilante justice. Especially from LEO, who are held to a higher standard. We trust them to uphold the law. Not to go blazing into a judge's office and start shooting an unarmed man.
I agree, plus he had to know he was being recorded on camera.
To me his actions were as if he didn’t care, as if his life was ruined by something anyway, so he was just going to make the judge pay by taking him out too. We shall see. IMO
 
Stamper says Stines called his own daughter from Mullins' phone, and her phone "number was on there." Stamper said Stines shot the judge just seconds later.

The detective said they have not yet looked at Stines' daughter's phone, but she has made statements to police about her conversations with Mullins.


He also said that an officer told him Stines made this comment right after the shooting, “They’re trying to kidnap my wife and kid."




Who are the “they”?
Stines daughter is a minor and probably shares a cell phone is certainly on a family plan. He probably had access to some if not all of their texts and amount of calls.
 
The prosecutor is going for a murder charge while the defense attorney thinks this is a first degreee manslaughter case. Without knowing any details, at this point I would go with a murder charge.
Ita.
This is why we have a justice system and the courts.

Don't tell me Stines is not aware of how the legal system works, nor is he unaware of the consequences he's facing.
Foolish, foolish man.
Smh.
Omo.
 
Ita.
This is why we have a justice system and the courts.

Don't tell me Stines is not aware of how the legal system works, nor is he unaware of the consequences he's facing.
Foolish, foolish man.
Smh.
Omo.

I completely agree @Chimera. I also think the alleged "kidnapping" comment was a self-serving statement intended by Stines to fuel his defense (i.e., extreme emotional disturbance) and save him from the death penalty.

Take note under KY Murder Statute, premeditation is not a consideration and only "intent" is considered in defining first degree murder.

 
To me your screenshot looks like the judge is in fear because he's angling his body away from the sheriff along with the defensive positioning of his hand. JMO.

That’s why some murder victims have bullet wounds in their hands. There is a natural reaction to think that they can stop bullets with their hands.
 
So what causes a lawman to kill his friend, a sitting Judge, following a cordial lunch?

  • From all signs visible in the released video, Stines was under no threat by Mullins.
  • Even if Stines suspected there was phone contact between his teen daughter and Mullins, upon confirmation of this by looking at Mullins phone, he did not allow for any reasonable explanation by his friend before he immediately began firing his weapon at Mullins.
  • There was no immediate threat to the daughter for her number to be in Mullins phone!
  • There was no immediate threat to his wife.
  • After wounding Mullins, as if to ensure he was dead, he stopped, fired additional shots at his fallen body, before exiting the room.
  • I believe Stines made up his mind before he entered Mullins Chambers that if Mullins phone showed he had phone contact with his daughter, he was dead.
  • Maybe Stines was having some paranoid, delusional thoughts....
  • But from the evidence we have today, I think a jury would find him guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt, because of those deliberate, additional shots before walking out of Chambers-- Stines intended for Mullins to be dead.
  • Stines actions were hardly what's expected from a man under the oath of the elected County Sheriff -- instead he seemed immature, impulsive, irresponsible, and a sense of entitlement. IMO, Stines was like a time bomb, waiting to go off.
  • And the arrogance of Stines to request to be treated fair!
  • Mullins deserved to be treated fair too. He deserved far better than he received from both the Sheriff, and his friend! MOO
 
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So what causes a lawman to kill his friend, a sitting Judge, following a cordial lunch?
  • Even if Stines suspected there was phone contact between his teen daughter and Mullins, upon confirmation of this by looking at Mullins phone, he did not allow for any reasonable explanation by his friend before he immediately began firing his weapon at Mullins.
Right. Which means Stines already knew the reason probably based on a pattern of behavior he had observed the judge engage in during 8 years as his bailiff. MOO
 
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