Two stagers:
Patsy - latex or hair-coloring gloves.
John - brown cotton gloves.
Since Patsy tied the cord IMO, her gloves worked for that. John's gloves worked for other staging purposes.
IMO
Britt,
Excellent insight!
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Two stagers:
Patsy - latex or hair-coloring gloves.
John - brown cotton gloves.
Since Patsy tied the cord IMO, her gloves worked for that. John's gloves worked for other staging purposes.
IMO
Look at the photo pg 125 Kolar book: Looks like rubber gloves sitting on the edge of the sink in JB's room. Also, from book "JonBenet - The Police Files", pg 37 Patsy stated to Steve Thomas that she thought she colored her hair on Christmas (25th) afternoon.
So, I'd say Patsy would have easily had the rubber gloves she needed on hand in order to keep herself tidy during any part of the crime activities.
I believe that Patsy smacked her head against something in a rage... JR helped coverup because of the previous sexual abuse that he (JR) committed. I do not believe that BR had anything to do with it
I don't know much about the garrote but could it have been already lying around?
Was it the sort of thing a boy scout would do, without the paintbrush of course...but as a craft or sailing type thing?
Or a kid idly fiddling with string one day? I seem to recall my brothers doing macrame. Maybe it wasn't made for the job, it just happened to be nearby?
Completely agree. We think of it as a garrote because strangulation resulted from its use on this occasion. But that was not its original, or only, purpose.Sapphire, I have been saying from day one that the cord around her neck (I refuse to call it a garrote) was something Burke had made long before it was used Christmas night. My sis and I had one we made when we were youngsters. It pulled our sled, was used to swing from trees and my sis would take it along in order to put around the neck of a lost dog she pulled home to tell mom "Can we keep it? It followed me home."
I'm in agreement that this cord was not something fashioned that night. It was in exsistence beforehand. And, it belonged to Burke. Can't prove that, but do strongly believe it.
Just My O.
If this thing (thank you for not calling it "you-know-what") was in existence prior to it being used on JonBenet, how would you account for her hair being entwined in its cord wraps around the paint brush?Sapphire, I have been saying from day one that the cord around her neck (I refuse to call it a garrote) was something Burke had made long before it was used Christmas night. My sis and I had one we made when we were youngsters. It pulled our sled, was used to swing from trees and my sis would take it along in order to put around the neck of a lost dog she pulled home to tell mom "Can we keep it? It followed me home."
I'm in agreement that this cord was not something fashioned that night. It was in exsistence beforehand. And, it belonged to Burke. Can't prove that, but do strongly believe it.
Just My O.
I'm not azwriter, but as one who shares az's theory...the you-know-what could have been used for many purposes, including prior "games" with JB that did not result in her death. Her hair could have been incorporated in the knot months or years before her murder.If this thing (thank you for not calling it "you-know-what") was in existence prior to it being used on JonBenet, how would you account for her hair being entwined in its cord wraps around the paint brush?
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What about the lack of touch dna on the cord except for what could be from packaging or while at the store? I've wondered if the paint stick was used to place a foot on to hold that end taut while pulling the the other end of the cord to strangle, and freeing up one hand to hold her body down if necessary. That would free up the hands and be even more indication that they knew jonbenet was still alive.
Brown cotton fibers has been found on FOUR ITEMS closely associated with the BODY of JonBenet and implements used in her MURDER. Lab technicians thought the fibers similar to pair of cotton work gloves'.
I take it to mean the brown fibers are on everything. The clothing and blanket are four items and the implements are cord, stick, and tape. I wonder if fibers were on the flashlight and he's not telling or if he separates the hand ties into a separate implement.
1 thing about all the new evidence, is it makes this case seem less and less like an accident gone bad. And that's hard to take, kwim? I'm beginning to wonder if somebody didn't premeditate the whole thing, or at least premeditate between the bash and strangulation. 1 thing I kind of clung on to before, was the belief that at worst, this was a rage related death, now I don't know what to think. That 90 minute interval, has me rattled, to tell the truth. mooGood question!...IDK. Over all these years, we're slowly learning about 'new' evidences and we still don't know the WHOLE truth. BPD is holding a lot of 'secrets' in their 'safe'. With Kolar's book, we learned a lot, but still not all.
Here is another example of the 'new' but not WHOLE evidence. Brown cotton fibers! Kolar's book, page 229 (bold and cap are mine):
- Which 4 items could be closely associated with JBR BODY?
- Which 4 items could be implements used in JBR MURDER?
This one statement from Kolar's book creates thousand of possibilities...with never ending puzzle...
...and by the way, why BR clothes has never been requested for examination and never mention in any interviews/depositions? Do we even know what BR was wearing to FW party?....Looks like BR involvement wasn't considered in early investigation at all!...or it was but we don't know about?...:banghead:
MM, thank you for bringing Photo 16 (on page 125 of Kolar's book) for discussion...And you're correct: looks like rubber gloves are there, right on the counter, next to the sink. Very interesting, isn't? Photo 16 is JBR's bathroom on 2nd floor, right?...What is the reason for PR to color her hair in JBR's bathroom when she has a huge master bath on the 3rd floor?....something is 'fishy' here...
...plus, it's interesting how Kolar described this photo: 'Photo 16 - JonBenet bathroom. Note toothbrush, toothpaste, and red sweater on right counter. (Not pictured is toilet paper in the bowl of the toilet to the left of counter) Source BPD Case File.'
IMO, Kolar's reference to toilet paper IN THE BOWL of the toilet - was done on purpose. I think I know what he tried to tell us....:maddening:
OT a little bit...but while you was mention about JR plane, it was interesting to learn from Kolar's book that JR pilot (after learning about JBR 'kidnapping' early in the morning) was offering to fly-out to pick-up JR childrens (JAR and Malinda) so they wouldn't need to wait to board the commercial plane...but JR refused, saying he needs him here, to be ready for whatever... :banghead:
1 thing about all the new evidence, is it makes this case seem less and less like an accident gone bad. And that's hard to take, kwim? I'm beginning to wonder if somebody didn't premeditate the whole thing, or at least premeditate between the bash and strangulation. 1 thing I kind of clung on to before, was the belief that at worst, this was a rage related death, now I don't know what to think. That 90 minute interval, has me rattled, to tell the truth. moo
They are two different incidents. One is the head bash unplanned and then a period of time for someone to think about and then end her suffering by killing her and that was premeditated.[/QUOTE
or " ..time for someone to think about and then finish her sufferering by killing her...." :hypno: