Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #2

[Inthedetails]

I know the investigators are tired, and fearful and are giving it their all. Yet I want to shout FIND LUCAS!!! I can't imagine the heartache, and anxiety of those that love him. We're on pins and needles and have never met him.

It would be all the easier if the person who knows where he is would just give up the info.

I doubt that will happen, but....it could! All it takes is that person deciding to do the right thing.

Lucas will be found one way or another and all the details of the case will be discovered. So...just give up the info now instead of putting everyone through this, whoever you are that knows info.


jmo

 

[DAnthrplgst]

Or at school? The kicking part does sound like something kids would do more than an adult. Speculation, thinking aloud.

jmo

I agree, kicking is more of a child thing. Just to further expand on this speculation about Lucas being hurt at school and those who live in Kansas please pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong. If Lucas was being hurt by other children, either at school or in his neighborhood, it could possibly be the result of either racial or physical bullying. Racial because of his name, "Hernandez" or physical because of cleft palate/dental condition. We all know how cruel children can be, especially those who are given free reign to bully. This would explain the difference in photos of Lucas. I've noticed in photos where Lucas was with family, he appears to be a very happy, cheerful child. I haven't seen the typical physical traits in photos of abused children with Lucas (for instance, looking forlorn, fake smile, physical distance between him and other family members, etc). I have noticed though in some photos that appear to be school related, like the ones on his missing poser, he doesn't have the same look as he does as when he is with family.

 

[Stunned]

Steels, sorry, no, this wasn't towards you. I appreciated you giving me an insight into day to day for a SW. My job is far from being as important. I couldn't even try to comprehend.

I am extremely angry at the state of CPS/DCF etc right now, of course. It seems that (for whatever reason, incompetence or over worked) there are major issues within these departments.

I guess I just feel as if people are taking my comments about what happened to our girl as if I am being disrespectful towards all SW's. (Btw, I'm not sure if I messed up earlier and said something incorrect or confusing, but BabyC was my family member, but not my niece - Sorry for the confusion!)

My head has been a complete mess since hearing more and more about Lucas' life before this. I don't think I am wording anything well. I hope you all understand, I mean well. It's hard to express when the case cuts so deep.

As a teacher who constantly works with DSS, your rage is understandable. But I also have sympathy for DSS!

 

[Shelby1]

KAKE channel 10 just said a family member from New Mexico is offering a $2000 reward.

 

[perfectingpink]

What scares me the most is women seem to do a better job hiding and staying quiet when they are the bad guy.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

From what I saw this afternoon, you really can’t search these areas. There are no sidewalks so you can’t be “just taking a walk”.

This case is strange as they are asking the public to NOT search. They only want us to share the story on social media. They are keeping people away from areas that LE is actively searching.


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I can’t help but think the FBI Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team has something to do with keeping people away from the search sites.

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repositor...eek-child-abduction-rapid-deployment-team.mp3

 

[RoyalsGal8]

I agree, kicking is more of a child thing. Just to further expand on this speculation about Lucas being hurt at school and those who live in Kansas please pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong. If Lucas was being hurt by other children, either at school or in his neighborhood, it could possibly be the result of either racial or physical bullying. Racial because of his name, "Hernandez" or physical because of cleft palate/dental condition. We all know how cruel children can be, especially those who are given free reign to bully. This would explain the difference in photos of Lucas. I've noticed in photos where Lucas was with family, he appears to be a very happy, cheerful child. I haven't seen the typical physical traits in photos of abused children with Lucas (for instance, looking forlorn, fake smile, physical distance between him and other family members, etc). I have noticed though in some photos that appear to be school related, like the ones on his missing poser, he doesn't have the same look as he does as when he is with family.

It is not out of line to say there are racial issues in Kansas. Not generalizing us but let’s face it— we live in the Midwest and it is still a serious issue, sadly.

That being said— I don’t think that would be an issue at a preschool. At least I would hope it’s not?

I’m not familiar with the school Lucas attended. Judging by the area his family was living in (Harry & Webb) he probably went to a fairly diverse school.


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[RoyalsGal8]

I can’t help but think the FBI Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team has something to do with keeping people away from the search sites.

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repositor...eek-child-abduction-rapid-deployment-team.mp3

You’re probably right.

I don’t want to say this— but it probably is also based on the fact that LE knows more than we do. They probably know this is a recovery, not a rescue. They want to keep the crime scene undisturbed. Having untrained professionals searching can just contaminate any evidence we find purely based off of our emotional reaction.


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[DAnthrplgst]

It is not out of line to say there are racial issues in Kansas. Not generalizing us but let’s face it— we live in the Midwest and it is still a serious issue, sadly.

That being said— I don’t think that would be an issue at a preschool. At least I would hope it’s not?

I’m not familiar with the school Lucas attended. Judging by the area his family was living in (Harry & Webb) he probably went to a fairly diverse school.


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Thank you. He was attending Beech Elem, are you familiar with that school?

 

[LisaWL7TR]

As a teacher who constantly works with DSS, your rage is understandable. But I also have sympathy for DSS!

I worked daycare way back when teens to early 20's and we had to report any abuse. We also had to take classes and we were educated as well as we could be about what a "typical just being a child bruise" might look like vs a child being grabbed by an adult hand or held against a heater, etc..
Mid to late 20's and my adhd son looked liked a poster child for abuse. It didn't help that he tried tp fly off his toybox around 3.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I really don't know, Flute. I am just now coming into this thread and saw the article.

Has LE said they do not believe Lucas was abducted or hinted at it? I havent had the time to watch the PCs they have held. tia

IMO

RBBM

“Davidson said police have found no evidence that points toward an abduction, which is why an Amber Alert had not been activated.” (BBM)
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansas.com/news/local/article200879254.html

Just a hunch, but I think LE figured out fairly quickly what happened to Lucas .

 

[creepedout]

Thank you. He was attending Beech Elem, are you familiar with that school?

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article56307490.html

According to this, Beech is quite diverse.

 

[carlyturner]

I don't see the relative calling CPS if he was being bullied at school.I think she would talk to the parents and school before making this drastic decision.

 

[RoyalsGal8]

Thank you. He was attending Beech Elem, are you familiar with that school?

I know where it is located but I’m not familiar with the school itself. It is very close to their old home— In a pretty shady area of town.

I currently work part time at a liquor store in the same area and always have a gun on me.


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[sony12]

Huh. Just heard about this story today. I live right in Wichita and just right across the street from one of the search areas (chisolm creek park(which connects to the Great Plains Nature Center and is the more popular name people use for the park area in town)).

Will keep an eye on the story from this point forward. All I can say is that there is a lot more lower income housing south of highway 400 where the boy's family lived so naturally there are going to be a few more shady people in that area as well.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I think it's suspicious that after Lucas told his great grandmother about the kicking and hitting and she reported it, she never got to see him again. This, to me, would imply that it was most likely a family member who did the abuse and either the step-mom or the father punished the woman with no more visitations. Step-siblings is a possibility, but it's the parents who'd control who got to see Lucas when not in school. I don't think it would be just school related.

This reminds me of other cases where when concerned relatives or friends/neighbors made formal complaints to the authorities about abused children, they were then completely cut off from contact. In more extreme cases, the whole family (like the Turpins) would leave town or even state to make sure they were 'hidden' from prying eyes and (in their minds) interfering busybodies.

 

[perfectingpink]

You’re probably right.

I don’t want to say this— but it probably is also based on the fact that LE knows more than we do. They probably know this is a recovery, not a rescue. They want to keep the crime scene undisturbed. Having untrained professionals searching can just contaminate any evidence we find purely based off of our emotional reaction.


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Are you referring to me? If so, please understand we are doing nothing until this weekend and in spots that if LE have not already covered, by then would go untouched by them.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

I know where it is located but I’m not familiar with the school itself. It is very close to their old home— In a pretty shady area of town.

I currently work part time at a liquor store in the same area and always have a gun on me.


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I go to liquor stores. I don't blame you.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I can’t help but think the FBI Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team has something to do with keeping people away from the search sites.

https://www.fbi.gov/audio-repositor...eek-child-abduction-rapid-deployment-team.mp3

Additional Info.:
“They often deploy to the abduction site with FBI behavioral analysis experts and technical specialists in tow. CARD team agents also work closely with National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime coordinators, members of the regional FBI-led Child Exploitation Task Forces, and representatives from our Violent Crimes Against Children Section at FBI Headquarters.

What exactly does the CARD team bring to the table? In addition to being on the scene within an hour or two to augment local resources, these agents can quickly establish on-site command posts to centralize investigative efforts. They also help map registered sex offenders in the area, handle national and international leads, guide investigative efforts using the protocols from the FBI’s child abduction response plan, coordinate forensic resources as needed, and incorporate the Bureau’s technical assets—which play an increasingly larger role in investigations where every minute counts.

[SBM]

FBI Jurisdiction in Child Kidnappings

In the public eye—and even in some state and local law enforcement circles—there are common misconceptions about when the FBI can get involved in child kidnappings. That there has to be evidence a victim has been taken across state lines. Or that a ransom demand has to be made. Or that 24 hours must pass.

All are false.

Whether the case ends up being investigated and prosecuted at the local level or at the federal level, the Bureau will always leverage our investigative resources and technical assets to work hand in hand with state and local law enforcement agencies on cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child. Our role is to help investigate the disappearance, recover the child, and apprehend the person or persons responsible.

And that role begins as soon as we’re notified.“

More at link: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/investigating-child-abductions1

 

[Stunned]

It is not out of line to say there are racial issues in Kansas. Not generalizing us but let’s face it— we live in the Midwest and it is still a serious issue, sadly.

That being said— I don’t think that would be an issue at a preschool. At least I would hope it’s not?

I’m not familiar with the school Lucas attended. Judging by the area his family was living in (Harry & Webb) he probably went to a fairly diverse school.


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With good teachers, they would know the kickers. I honestly have never had a kicking problem in my PreK classes. Hitting and yes biting, but not so much kicking, unless kicking a ball and missing?