Identified! KY - Gray, WhtFem 192UFKY, 24-35, In Refrigerator, Apr'85 - Epsy Regina Black-Pilgrim

[nerosleuth]

I agree that the Namus photo of the unid and the photo of Espy is a very close match.

 

[CarlK90245]

According to her family, she went by the name Jeannie Black, or Jeannie Pilgrim (Jeannie being a modification of her middle name Regina)

 

[Moonwalker9]

Any idea why she was never reposrted missing in the first place, or was her reposrt botched or lost?

 

[Triss]

Any idea why she was never reposrted missing in the first place, or was her reposrt botched or lost?

she was reported missing, but the police didn't take it seriously.

 

[carbuff]

she was reported missing, but the police didn't take it seriously.

Sadly, a tale that is far too common.

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[dotr]

http://www.lex18.com/story/36638394/facebook-post-brings-hope-to-cold-case

On Friday, Elizabeth's aunt came across a post about unidentified murder victims.

"When she seen the picture, she had a feeling and called the police department," said Elizabeth in a phone interview.

Kentucky State Police detectives are going to North Carolina next week to collect a DNA sample from Elizabeth to see if they can confirm that Red-Headed Jane Doe is her mother.

Elizabeth said that the composite strikingly resembles her mother. She said that her brother noticed on the Facebook post that Red-Headed Jane Doe had a birthmark 'above and behind' her left ankle. Elizabeth says their mother had a birthmark behind her left ankle and wore the same necklace featured in the Facebook photos.

Until she gets definitive answers, Elizabeth said she can only hope that this mystery is solved.

"Everybody is just as anxious to figure out the results as we are, it's very overwhelming," she said.

 

[nerosleuth]

I believe Espy Regina Black Pilgrim may be from Rutherford County, North Carolina.

I found a 1985 appeals court case from North Carolina involving Espy Regina Black Pilgrim. She apparently lost custody of her children due to issues of parental neglect. The appeals court opinion also noted that she had been recently arrested for prostitution.

If this unid female from Knox County, Kentucky does turn out to be Jeannie Black, I’m thinking she was trying to hitch a ride back to North Carolina for the pending appeals court hearing concerning the custody of her children.


Sources:


https://casetext.com/case/in-re-black-61


https://law.justia.com/cases/north-carolina/court-of-appeals/1985/8429dc1339-1.html

 

[Triss]

Great find!

 

[Gardener1850]

On Friday, Kentucky State Police Post 10 released it has new information regarding the possible identification of the woman who became known as the redheaded Knox County Jane Doe.

KSP Post 10 Public Affairs Officer Trooper Shane Jacobs has confirmed KSP Detectives have been in contact with individuals from North Carolina who believe this unidentified Jane Doe may be their mother. They told investigators their mother went missing more than 30 years ago.

“We are planning on collecting DNA samples from possible family members as early as next week. There is DNA on file in this case. We are hopeful the DNA comparison, which will take several months, will lead to an identification of the Knox County Jane Doe. However, similar situations have came up in other investigations where DNA did not lead to an identification. We must view the facts of the case from an investigator’s perspective and not from the perspective of hopeful family members looking for a lost loved one,” Sgt. Danny Caudill said.

Jacobs said Detective Aaron Frederick is heading this investigation. Jacobs also said KSP Post 10 Criminal Intel Analyst Chris Daniels has played a key role in sharing and gathering information as part of this investigation.

http://www.thetimestribune.com/news...cle_3f8ab384-b622-11e7-8dd6-0b47ae9f6f71.html

 

[Midge Montana]

I believe Espy Regina Black Pilgrim may be from Rutherford County, North Carolina.

I found a 1985 appeals court case from North Carolina involving Espy Regina Black Pilgrim. She apparently lost custody of her children due to issues of parental neglect. The appeals court opinion also noted that she had been recently arrested for prostitution.

If this unid female from Knox County, Kentucky does turn out to be Jeannie Black, I’m thinking she was trying to hitch a ride back to North Carolina for the pending appeals court hearing concerning the custody of her children.


Sources:


https://casetext.com/case/in-re-black-61


https://law.justia.com/cases/north-carolina/court-of-appeals/1985/8429dc1339-1.html

Good Lord. Those poor kids. I'm possibly not reading correctly, but did they keep physical custody to these parents even AFTER dad said he'd lock up and starve the children, and also that he has a violent temper that he can't control?
Ugh. I hope I am reading that WAY wrong.

 

[Beamie]

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[folieadeuxnola]

Family awaits DNA tests

http://www.lex18.com/story/37893320/family-awaits-dna-test-in-cold-case

 

[Triss]

The DNA test results should be in any day now. My thoughts are with her family.

 

[Midge Montana]

Hoping for resolution.

 

[Springrain]

Jane Doe's NamUs page is still up. Hope they get DNA results really soon.

 

[Gardener1850]

[h=3]Podcast Bringing Attention to Knox County Cold Case[/h]

KNOX COUNTY, KY (Lex 18) - An Indiana man is using his podcast to find answers in a 33-year-old cold case hundreds of miles away in Kentucky.

In 1985, a small town in rural Knox County gave an unidentified woman a funeral after a killer dumped her body in a refrigerator in the woods. To this day, the woman remains unidentified and is known as the Redheaded Jane Doe.

On Wednesday, Shane Waters traveled eight hours from Indiana to learn about the case for his true crime podcast called "Out of the Shadows."
From a coffee shop in downtown Barbourville, Waters interviewed locals about their recollections of the case. He focused on why people cared so much about a woman no one knew.

"The people from that area at that time knew that she was a person. No matter what her background or history was, she deserved to be remembered," Waters said. "So, although they couldn't give her a name, they could give her a funeral and they could give her a tombstone."

Waters visited that gravestone with the help of Scott Clouse. The two also traveled to the site where the woman's body was found 33 years ago.

http://www.lex18.com/story/38044768/podcast-bringing-attention-to-knox-county-cold-case

 

[booghawk]

Espy's family members found the recon in a FB group I'm in, there's a lot of into about her in the comments of the post.

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[leilarose68]

Is the family STILL waiting for the DNA results to come back? Why in the world does it take so long in some cases and not long at all in others? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Triss]

Is the family STILL waiting for the DNA results to come back? Why in the world does it take so long in some cases and not long at all in others? Doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, they're still waiting.

 

[rats]

Is the family STILL waiting for the DNA results to come back? Why in the world does it take so long in some cases and not long at all in others? Doesn't make sense to me.

Backlog of cases? I dunno. It’s not like this is the only thing LEOs, family, and labs focus on. There are thousands of cases for everyone to work through. It just needs time.