Found Deceased KY - James 'Mike' Kimsey, 48, Louisville, 29 May 2015

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They must have. Please let the autopsy show something - whether it's an overdose or other suicide, or a murder. If it's inconclusive we might never know what happened.

Slightly off topic but on the last page someone mentioned rope/hanging. There was a case here a couple of years ago where someone had hung themselves in a tall tree on a golf course. It wasn't until weeks or months later that parts of the body fell to the ground once it had composed enough. It always makes me think "look up" when there are searches in woody areas.

I read somewhere that it was a jawbone that was brought out by the dog, and he was identified using dental records. I am not sure which article I read that in, or if it was in a news conference. They would have to have something other than wallet & cell phone. Too many mix ups happen that way. Presuming a corpse is X person based on items with the body.

Also, I have been a part in the distant past, in a search in a wooded area for a MP. This person had committed suicide by hanging, and I can tell you that at least four trained searchers walked past his body without seeing or smelling anything. It took someone almost bumping into the remains to find it. And we were "looking up". I am NOT stating anything other than my experience. I am not implying anything else.
 
So sad...didn't someone say earlier that he had an issue with his eyes that might prevent him from flying? or was that another case? As much as he loved it, maybe with ongoing issues with his wife (per his parents), and painful recovery from surgery...it just was too much for him to handle any more? And some painkillers have been proven to produce suicidal tendencies.... so he wasn't the Mike that wouldn't have done that a few months ago...JMO
 
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I don't know that the search dogs picked up "his" scent at the quarry, or if they picked up a "cadaver scent". Depends on what the dogs were trained for, and how they conducted the search. I have never seen anything in MSM about this level of detail around that search.

I didn't want to post until I made sure. This article does indeed say the dogs from KYK9 picked up Mike Kimsey's scent and his parents even traveled to ky for the search.

http://m.wlky.com/news/lmpd-dive-team-reportedly-looking-for-leads-in-case-of-missing-pilot/36229768
 
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I didn't want to post until I made sure. This article does indeed say the dogs from KYK9 picked up Mike Kimsey's scent and his parents even traveled to ky for the search.

http://m.wlky.com/news/lmpd-dive-team-reportedly-looking-for-leads-in-case-of-missing-pilot/36229768

thank you for the correction, I apologize for the misinformation. I agree that seems odd then to think that he walked from his home to the quarry, then back to a wooded area near his home to commit suicide. The KYK9 search dogs per the article search for "missing persons" which is different than cadaver dogs.

Interestingly there are ways to eliminate a cadaver from smelling per a Google search. While most of them would require "assistance" from a third party, one of them, being sprayed with pesticides, could happen completely innocently if this area is somewhere that is sprayed roundly like that. If Mike's body was there and unseen, and someone sprayed very soon postmortem, it could have prevented the characteristic smell of decomposition that occurs. However, in that scenario, the body remains much more "intact appearing" which does not sound like it was the case here based on the police press conference.
 
I find it very hard to believe after eight months a bone is just now showing up in the dead of winter. Also, I find it even harder to believer he committed suicide. If so, how? This case has baffled me from the very beginning. I also find it interesting his wife didn't even make a statement after it was announced the remains had been found. She's been dormant all this time!!! I find that to be the strangest of all. :thinking:
 
I really hope this doesn’t turn to 100% belief poor Mike committed suicide. More facts are needed before speculation. Who can know for sure. Mike was an active man that had just been through all those surgeries, and rehab and was debilitated for months. He overcame that difficult time, and being able to see the light at the end of tunnel does not seem like a candidate who decides to take his own life. Additionally, if what his mother states has validity, what sane father is going to leave his little precious 7 year old in a vulnerable situation. Not happening. imho. Not someone like this man is portrayed to be. IMHO, The suicide window passed. Mike was on the road to wellness.

I hope this case doesn’t get shielded or brushed away as being one thing before it’s actually investigated. I hope everyone keeps open minds. I will also.
Prayers to Mike’s family and his little boy.
 
I'm wondering how search dogs would have missed him, if he was there the whole time, but they picked up his scent at the rock quarry several miles away from his house in November. This was on the news that they picked up his scent there and so they did a search. This baffles me.

It was not police that performed this search. It was Mike's parents who organized the search, they found someone who helps find veterans who are missing, with dogs and divers. These are the dogs that found Mike's hat near the quarry. The police ended this search of the quarry, told the Kimseys that Mike was not in the quarry, and told them to go home.
 
So sad...didn't someone say earlier that he had an issue with his eyes that might prevent him from flying? or was that another case? As much as he loved it, maybe with ongoing issues with his wife (per his parents), and painful recovery from surgery...it just was too much for him to handle any more? And some painkillers have been proven to produce suicidal tendencies.... so he wasn't the Mike that wouldn't have done that a few months ago...JMO

No information has been stated that Mike had eye problems. We are unaware of any eye problems. He was excited about his next medical, just 2 days before his disappearance, according to several people that talked to him, including his best friend in Arizona that flew with him in the USAF. Mike's next venture after his flying career would have been in the financial market, as he was already helping friends in this area, and very interested in the market himself. He had a Twitter account that he posted to, that was quickly taken down after he went missing. We are still unsure why that happened.
 
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I will be the first to admit I'm wrong. The first to admit I *might* be wrong. Look at my posting history. With that said. I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE MIKE KIMSEY KILLED HIMSELF. I'm so glad Mike's family can now lay him to rest. I don't this has believe he killed himself. I just don't. If I'm wrong at the Inquest, I'm sorry, really. But this has Jason Corbett all over it. To me. JMO and all that.
 
It was not police that performed this search. It was Mike's parents who organized the search, they found someone who helps find veterans who are missing, with dogs and divers. These are the dogs that found Mike's hat near the quarry. The police ended this search of the quarry, told the Kimseys that Mike was not in the quarry, and told them to go home.

Why would he leave his hat at the quarry? Did he lose it in a struggle? Did the wind blow it off and he couldn't find it in the dark? Was the quarry somewhere Mike liked to visit?

No information has been stated that Mike had eye problems. We are unaware of any eye problems. He was excited about his next medical, just 2 days before his disappearance, according to several people that talked to him, including his best friend in Arizona that flew with him in the USAF. Mike's next venture after his flying career would have been in the financial market, as he was already helping friends in this area, and very interested in the market himself. He had a Twitter account that he posted to, that was quickly taken down after he went missing. We are still unsure why that happened.

BBM-Did any of these friends lose a substantial amount of money in the market around the time he disappeared? Had Mike himself lost a considerable amount of money?
 
It was not police that performed this search. It was Mike's parents who organized the search, they found someone who helps find veterans who are missing, with dogs and divers. These are the dogs that found Mike's hat near the quarry. The police ended this search of the quarry, told the Kimseys that Mike was not in the quarry, and told them to go home.

I didn't know about his hat being found. Can you elaborate? And how far is the quarry from his home, would he have gone for a jog there?
 
I didn't know about his hat being found. Can you elaborate? And how far is the quarry from his home, would he have gone for a jog there?
How were they able to determine that it was actually *his* hat?

Really, given he was found so close to home, I don't find it credible that he was at the quarry. Search dogs are not infallible.

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As an individual who works professionally in social areas, I do hold to the theory that foul play may be involved; however, as much as I hate to speak of this because I'm aware family may read my opinion, it would not be in the best interest to dismiss other theories that are quite likely as well.

I have read that mike was a career military man (I believe pilot US Airforce) prior to his employment with the airline. With that being said, and with a long family history of military men, I'm familiar with the rigors and discipline that military personnel often live with during their career. Most military men are quite adept at internalizing their emotional pain and problems except to a few very close people, and sometimes no one. In general, men in our society, especially those in the middle-age and elder age range have often been taught through socially handed down traditions that it's not acceptable for males to show weakness, but remain strong at all times. And although anyone, despite gender, has every right and can feel a range of emotions, sometimes they feel that they cannot share their feelings.

In society, mental health has much stigma associated with it, there's a "mark of shame" that often is associated with it - disgrace, non understanding, and/or disapproval by Friends, family, neighbors, employers, and coworkers leave someone experiencing feelings of depression with isolation or rejection. Sometimes people who suffer from any mental disorder are denied basic liberties like partaking in family events, normal society networks, productive employment, and this is especially true for a pilot.

IF Mike was feeling like his life was unraveling due to his relationship issues (embarrassment by people finding out about wife's transgressions, losing one half of his assets, upcoming legal and financial issues etc), he certainly could NOT talk to his employer about it, and even if he went to a private doctor to seek help he could not take an antidepressant or med for anxiety as he's drug tested frequently and he'd lose his job, career, financial stability, and a hugely defining part of the essence of who he was. Sadly, nearly any other profession can seek mental health assistance without fear of losing this, but nit a pilot. And a career military professional with a current career pilot status would have much issue with ego seeking help for mental illness. In the profession of pilots, there's a name for this, it's called the "mental health hidden burden" (can't get help nor take mess or lose job). Source: http://pix11.com video interview posted 3/31/2015.

I've read that it's been reported Mike went about his usual business on the days prior to being reported missing, but it is not uncommon at all for a person who is suicidal to act in this very same manner, especially if they feel that society expects this of them. It's often viewed that there are two types of people with suicides - those who are grasping for help and those who intend that follow through. Those who are grasping for help will declare to others they want to die, will make it known to someone, will act differently in ways, it's their way of begging for help. But those who have resolved to follow through do NOT tell other people, they often keep all depression hidden, let no one in on their agenda because they don't want anyone to stop their plans. People who've successfully committed suicide have been reported to go their favorite stores, places, carry out very extra normal routines immediately prior to the act. Some have been known to convey messages in letters, social media, and texts that it's a wonderful day (bc their perception is they know today is the day their suffering will end).

Was Mike depressed? I don't know, perhaps no one knows. We don't know IF he left in shoes. As I've stated before, I couldn't tell you what shoes my husband has on at any given moment most days (as most men of Mikes age and my hubby's age coincidentally), and similar social economic status have several pairs of shoes. And like his wife I have a similar aged child in the home and am often pre occupied with keeping up with the child's clothes, shoes, school items, toys, etc and therefore hubby's shoe collection and count isn't of high priority to me. It's quite likely that Mike had on shoes when he left that house (be it alone or unwillingly), and he did take his wallet and cellphone. Yes they've stated no use of credit cards but did he have cash? Again, he was a man with financial means, and it's likely his wallet or within his home he had a bit of cash tucked away for a cash emergency, especially if he had any suicidal forethought.

Mike was a pilot, previously I've read that those who work for airlines get free "extra seats" on flights - I'm assuming that the police surely has looked into this out of Louisvilles airport. Maybe they don't issue a standard ticket but he'd be listed on a travel manifest in the event the flight went down etc I would presume. He may have chosen an alternate location for a suicide, other than his town. In recent years it's not been uncommon for people to select venues away from their home area to end their life. Although there's only speculation as to why they chose this method, some are: anonymity (to spare family burden of knowing that they have killed themselves in attempt to protect family from knowledge/grief), protect family from discovering the body, protect family from associating an area or place with the suicide in the future, etc.). Since Mikes body hasn't been found locally, it is a possibility that he used cash to travel by taxi, bus, rail, etc to another city and committed suicide anonymously. It's not that much of a stretch to believe that if a person felt socially unable to disclose despair while living (the weakness or "less than" effect of not being able to handle life's problems) that he may want to disguise his actions in death for vanity reasons or to protect others.

Some facts on suicide: (2014 stats used)....
In the USA, 41,149 people committed suicide.
Of those, 32,055 were men.
Men are nearly 4 times as likely to successfully commit suicide as women.
37,154 that committed suicide were white.... NINE out of TEN are WHITE of those that committed suicide.
15,756 were middle aged - aged 45-64 - nearly ONE-HALF were MIDDLE AGED.

So Mike is in the HIGHEST gender, the HIGHEST race, the HIGHEST age category. It does NOT mean he has committed suicide, but if I were LE or family, I certainly would be putting high regard to the possibility that he may have went elsewhere and this may be why. I'd be looking into any unidentified bodies since he's been missing that fits his profile.

In the U.S., ONE person every 12.8 minutes dies from suicide, it's the 10th leading cause of death (homicide I'd 16th)

Suicide: risk factors (that Mike meets) - WHITE, MALE, MIDDLE AGED, FREE MOBILITY (means and ability to move about to commit the act). STRESSORS (that Mike may/may not have felt) - out of work (due to current health situation), job stress (unable to return to work due to current physical condition, unable to seek mental health assistance due to pilot status), marriage/relationship stress (alleged problems with wife and extramarital affair, possible separation, divorce, child custody). And ACUTE RISK FACTORS that Mike may/may not have felt: recent or anticipating a marital separation or divorce (alleged), feelings of being a victim or feelings of rage (possible if alleged infidelity was actually uncovered by Mike), psychological pain and/or acute distress possibly resulting in feelings of loss, rejection, and defeat (loss of marriage/family unit, rejected by wife, defeated by the boyfriend), feelings of anger (from wife's alleged actions), rage, seeking revenge, withdrawn (possibly without showing this outwardly but internalizing his emotion), hopelessness - seeing things in black/white instead of gray, having few reasons to want to continue to live (may have felt like he was losing wife and son as he was a pilot and his career would inhibit his chances of having full custody of son, thus wife would get child and he had nothing worth living for), sense of no purpose, life has lost meaning, no reason for living (not a far stretch for anyone who's anticipating a divorce and possible loss of child in life), negative or mixed emotions toward receiving mental health help (military mentality of "being strong" and fear of losing his career if he was to seek help, social views regarding men being weak and showing weakness, requesting help. Any real or anticipated event causing or threatening shame, guilt, despair, humiliation, loss of face, or status (DIVORCE/infidelity), legal problems (divorce, child custody), financial problems (divorce), feeling rejected (divorce), abandoned.


Source: http://suicidology.org (statistics) and general information is my opinion/theory of possibility ONLY as a consideration as alternate idea, taken from my years of professional experience working in social science career and my education/continuing education.




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Bumping this excellent post now that Mike's been found.

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I will be the first to admit I'm wrong. The first to admit I *might* be wrong. Look at my posting history. With that said. I STILL DO NOT BELIEVE MIKE KIMSEY KILLED HIMSELF. I'm so glad Mike's family can now lay him to rest. I don't this has believe he killed himself. I just don't. If I'm wrong at the Inquest, I'm sorry, really. But this has Jason Corbett all over it. To me. JMO and all that.

Sadly, Mike's family has received no information about if and when there will be a service for him.
 
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Why would he leave his hat at the quarry? Did he lose it in a struggle? Did the wind blow it off and he couldn't find it in the dark? Was the quarry somewhere Mike liked to visit?





BBM-Did any of these friends lose a substantial amount of money in the market around the time he disappeared? Had Mike himself lost a considerable amount of money?

I don't believe there was necessarily a belief that Mike intentionally left his hat in the area of the quarry. It could have been taken there by an animal, fallen off in a struggle, or he could have lost it prior to all this. I wouldn't think he would have spent any time at that quarry, and the belief was that it should be checked to make sure he had not been placed there by someone else. No way to know those answers for sure without forensics though. Also do not know about any issues surrounding financial losses or gains and never heard this. The market has been down for some time, but wouldn't think that would be an issue, and Mike would have had plenty of time to recover in addition to having good regular income as well. He would have soon gone back to full pay.
 
I didn't know about his hat being found. Can you elaborate? And how far is the quarry from his home, would he have gone for a jog there?

The last I personally talked to Mike about his fitness routine was before Christmas and I asked if he was able to jog yet, and he said he couldn't jog anymore due to the impact of running after his surgeries, but he walked/hiked daily on trails surrounding his neighborhood. Neighbors have said that they almost daily saw him very early in the morning starting out on his daily. He was extremely disciplined and an early riser. His wife provided items for the dogs to pick up a scent prior to the quarry search. The dogs found the cap in the woods near the quarry. Family was told that the dogs have never been wrong. Again, this is not to say that Mike had been there himself, but he could have been. He could have been wearing the cap elsewhere over the last 8 months, and the cap was carted away by a buzzard for all we know. JMO
 
How were they able to determine that it was actually *his* hat?

Really, given he was found so close to home, I don't find it credible that he was at the quarry. Search dogs are not infallible.

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The hat may NOT have been his, but was indicated by the search dogs it was his, and he did have a hat exactly like the one found, and all involved felt it was a good chance that the hat belonged to him. There is always the chance that it is not though. Have not heard further about this, but it was one good reason to search that quarry.
 
Bumping this excellent post now that Mike's been found.

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I would be interested in knowing KYangel's thoughts on things now that Mike has been found so close to home after 8 months, and again once the forensic scientist is finished with his assessment of Mike's body and the report is made public. Also would be interested in her expert opinion of the homicide detectives and the last press conference. Regarding the following part of his/her profile quoted below, does he/she still think the same reading this?:

Also "He may have chosen an alternate location for a suicide, other than his town. In recent years it's not been uncommon for people to select venues away from their home area to end their life. Although there's only speculation as to why they chose this method, some are: anonymity (to spare family burden of knowing that they have killed themselves in attempt to protect family from knowledge/grief), protect family from discovering the body, protect family from associating an area or place with the suicide in the future, etc.). Since Mikes body hasn't been found locally, it is a possibility that he used cash to travel by taxi, bus, rail, etc to another city and committed suicide anonymously. It's not that much of a stretch to believe that if a person felt socially unable to disclose despair while living (the weakness or "less than" effect of not being able to handle life's problems) that he may want to disguise his actions in death for vanity reasons or to protect others."

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but if I were LE or family, I certainly would be putting high regard to the possibility that he may have went elsewhere and this may be why. I'd be looking into any unidentified bodies since he's been missing that fits his profile."
 
No information has been stated that Mike had eye problems. We are unaware of any eye problems.

Thank you Rocky Road...I realized after I posted that I was thinking of another case involving a pilot. Sorry that I misrepresented his medical issues..Unintentional for sure..
 

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