KY - Multiple casualties in active shooter situation at Old National Bank in Louisville, Apr 2023 *suspect dead*

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Anyone heard the cops current status (Wed. PM)?
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The chief said that a rookie officer who was shot in the head while responding to the mass shooting remained in critical but stable condition Tuesday morning.

“It’s looking hopeful,” Gwinn-Villaroel told WDRB-TV about Officer Nickolas Wilt, who had graduated from training just 10 days earlier.
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From:
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Police: Louisville shooter legally bought gun a week ago

Police say the shooter who opened fire at a Louisville bank legally bought the weapon a week ago. Louisville Metro Police Department Chief Jacquelyn Gwinn-Villaroel said at a Tuesday news conference that bank employee Connor Sturgeon bought the AR-15 from a local dealership on April 4...
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SteveP said:
The shooter Had been fired, and the shooter was ABOUT TO BE fired. I have seen it reported both ways now, and it cannot be both. Of all the things unknown at this point, that should not be one of them. A bank manager was attending the staff meeting virtually, and surely would know the employee status of the shooter. While someone may have an idea it is about to happen, I do not believe a company will announce a specific future date that said that employee is going to be terminated. Aside from possibly creating a situation exactly like what happened yesterday, an employee with computer access can cause a company all kinds of issues by sharing, altering, or deleting vital information before they are terminated, if they know it is about to happen.

While I have never been employed in banking, I have been in the position of hiring and terminating employees for many years, before I retired. Anytime that I have ever had to terminate someone, I have never put myself in a situation where it was just the employee and me in an office. I always made certain to have at least one other person in the office with me, normally that employee's immediate supervisor, and always a female if it was a female who was about to be released The employee did not know they were being terminated until they were summoned to the office. Also, immediately after being terminated, the employee would be escorted from the premises by security, and asked not to return. Any personal belongings left behind were boxed up and were either allowed to be picked up by a third party, or were mailed to the employee.

I would think that, or some similar way, would be how most companies, including banks, terminate employees. I do hope we get clarification on this part of the story soon. JMO
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Typically at banks and some other places, that is how terminations work. Once you are notified of termination you are told to not come in, or if you are there, you are immediately escorted out. This is a protection measure since a bank employee would have access to money and depositor accounts, etc, they could do a lot of damage if they wanted. I know this happens at insurance companies as well, other places. It isn't meant to be punitive, but just in everyone's best interest. Nonetheless, I'm sure most people being fired like this know or suspect it is coming because there is a reason for it.
 
SteveP said:
The shooter Had been fired, and the shooter was ABOUT TO BE fired. I have seen it reported both ways now, and it cannot be both. Of all the things unknown at this point, that should not be one of them. A bank manager was attending the staff meeting virtually, and surely would know the employee status of the shooter. While someone may have an idea it is about to happen, I do not believe a company will announce a specific future date that said that employee is going to be terminated. Aside from possibly creating a situation exactly like what happened yesterday, an employee with computer access can cause a company all kinds of issues by sharing, altering, or deleting vital information before they are terminated, if they know it is about to happen.

While I have never been employed in banking, I have been in the position of hiring and terminating employees for many years, before I retired. Anytime that I have ever had to terminate someone, I have never put myself in a situation where it was just the employee and me in an office. I always made certain to have at least one other person in the office with me, normally that employee's immediate supervisor, and always a female if it was a female who was about to be released The employee did not know they were being terminated until they were summoned to the office. Also, immediately after being terminated, the employee would be escorted from the premises by security, and asked not to return. Any personal belongings left behind were boxed up and were either allowed to be picked up by a third party, or were mailed to the employee.

I would think that, or some similar way, would be how most companies, including banks, terminate employees. I do hope we get clarification on this part of the story soon. JMO
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Neither make sense to me, especially in this day and age of way too many shootings. From all my experiences at various different types of businesses and locations, a fired person is not allowed back in the building. Also, they'd never be given that heads up. Perhaps he perceived he was about to be fired because he failed after being put on notice (things laid out in a doc that you must do, or not do, or else you'll be terminated after X days)? Either way, the last place I worked (High tech) trained managers on how to conduct a firing, or even a warning. One such was as listed in a blogpost below. It's good advice, actually. And usually Security came up after the person was in the room and waited outside and out of sight. It was called The Perp Walk as you got escorted out the door, unable to retrieve any personal belongings. They were boxed up and brought out to you.

Sit Closest to the Door - A chill ran down my spine the first time I heard those words. They were passionately spoken by a former law enforcement officer who vehemently recommended that HR and company management sit closest to the door during all employee termination meetings.
 
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www.cnn.com

Live updates: At least 5 killed in Louisville, Kentucky

Police continue to investigate what led up to a mass shooting at a bank in Louisville, Kentucky, that left at least five people dead. Follow here for live updates.
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''37 min ago

Officer body camera footage from Louisville shooting expected to be released Tuesday evening​

From CNN's Mark Morales

Body camera footage from officers responding to the Louisville bank shooting is expected to be released Tuesday evening, according to Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg.
A video package will be played and discussed at a 5 p.m. ET news conference, the mayor said.
Greenberg said the video “will focus on the interactions between the shooter and police" and that it will be “respectful” in terms of sensitivity toward victims.
The video will then be uploaded to a YouTube page for distribution.''

''The Louisville Metro Police Department has opened two separate investigations following Monday's shooting at Old National Bank — one under the purview of homicide and another under the scope of its Public Integrity Unit, a police official said.''

"Because of the complexity of the scene, we had made the determination yesterday to segment the internal shooting — where between the shooter and the employees, a homicide investigation — and then the Public Integrity Unit will be the external shooting incident, which was between the suspect and the officers," Lt. Col. Aaron Crowell said at a news conference Tuesday. "So there's two separate investigations going. Local Metro Police will be handling the Public Integrity Unit and the homicide investigation."
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Rivas entered a guilty plea in Franklin County Municipal Court for two counts of negligent storage of a firearm and one count of child endangerment.

He will spend 10 days in and 170 days in jail suspended, face a $150 fine, two years of probation and be mandated to confiscate and destroy the firearm used in the incident. Additionally, Rivas cannot own, possess or use a firearm during the probation period.

The sentence was a joint recommendation between the judge and the mother of the two children.

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Columbus man pleads guilty in first case of city's new safe firearm storage law

The city attorney’s office said a child was nearly struck by a bullet and caused burn and short-term hearing loss.
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Even if he wasn’t given a specific, direct “you’re getting fired,” there are ways for an employee (PIP or not) to pick up on an upcoming change. Not getting cc’d, not being assigned to summer conference, and even something as simple as a glance or three-second pause. People who are about to be fired generally have suspicions IMO. Remember, too, that there are lot of “listicle” sites popular with 20-30 kids - think “10 signs you’re getting downsized” or “15 things that happen before a termination.”
 
Do we know where in the building the shooting occurred? A conference room, break room, lobby?

Agree that he might not have received a "you're fired" notice. Maybe he was given feedback on something he said/did and took it that he was getting fired. I wonder if any of the poor victims were involved in his job there or if it was random and just killed whoever was there at that time.
 
chipwhitley said:
Do we know where in the building the shooting occurred? A conference room, break room, lobby?

Agree that he might not have received a "you're fired" notice. Maybe he was given feedback on something he said/did and took it that he was getting fired. I wonder if any of the poor victims were involved in his job there or if it was random and just killed whoever was there at that time.
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Conference room is what was reported
 
If he had worked at this bank for a year, is it possible there was a probationary period that he was in and at the end of that year they did a review and he was not going to be kept?

Or another thought is there was some type of incident that he knew he was under review for. Maybe something he did or wasn't doing that sparked an investigation and then they were deciding on his fate at the company. This could leave him feeling like he would be fired and it could have already been decided he would be fired.

Or was he supposed to be at that meeting to learn his fate and he showed up with a gun?

If he was already terminated and wasn't supposed to have access to the building any longer, it's also possible someone that didn't know he was fired just let him in.. he could have walked in with someone that had no idea he shouldn't be there. So many possibilities that hopefully we will hear more about.

Look at the recent shooting in Nashville.. the shooter just shot out the glass doors and entered. :(
 
Shamrock1 said:
In some industries and/or some employers, being put on a PIP (personal improvement plan) or similar basically means termination is certain. This isn’t the case with all industries/employers; some PIPs are genuinely for improvement. But many PIPs are a legal “CYA” if the employee sues (yes, this is a thing even where employment is at-will). JMO.
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That happened to me in 2010, after 7 years of consistently above-average reviews, but the workplace culture was changing (that's the best way I can describe it) and I was considering quitting anyway, even though I had nothing else lined up. It was a real kick in the teeth, but I know now that what happened was, in the long run, for the best.

I'm still in touch with a lot of these people through Facebook, and they have told me many, many horror stories in the meantime, and that includes two people, also stellar employees, who were fired after more than 30 years because of loopholes in the Family Leave Act.
 
PrairieWind said:
It seems more and more of these shooters livestream these attacks. I have to admit that I really don't quite understand why.
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airportwoman said:
Oh, I do.

Could you imagine if we had livestreaming in 1999, when Columbine happened, or even worse, on 9/11/2001?
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JMO but it seems overt to me——they want notoriety and having a live audience increases that exponentially.

Unfortunately, for me 9/11 was “live-streamed” because I’m in NYC and could see the aftermath (the smoke and ashes) from my classroom window. My daughter was working downtown and saw the second plane hit, because everyone went out to look after the first plane.

It was live as live could be for us because we had hysterical students and staff with family who worked in the WTC.
I do agree if those terrorists had a way to show it live to the world, they would have, gladly.

IMO live-streaming a murder, especially a mass murder, not only brings attention to the killer from those who may be watching, but has the damning effect of “inspiring” those of like mind.
 
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Chief Gwinn-Villaroel says this is a "time for unity, healing and compassion."
the body-cam footage will last 9 minutes.

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Police release body camera footage in Louisville bank shooting

WARNING: The video below contains graphic content that some viewers may find disturbing. Viewer discretion is strongly advised.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1645902337347665922


Here are our HERO Officers. Ofc. Nickolas Wilt (L) and Ofc. Cory "CJ" Galloway (R). Both are assigned to LMPD's First Division. Officer Wilt graduated on 3-31-23. Officer Galloway is a Training Officer and has been an Officer since 2018.
 

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Arkay said:
JMO but it seems overt to me——they want notoriety and having a live audience increases that exponentially.

Unfortunately, for me 9/11 was “live-streamed” because I’m in NYC and could see the aftermath (the smoke and ashes) from my classroom window. My daughter was working downtown and saw the second plane hit, because everyone went out to look after the first plane.

It was live as live could be for us because we had hysterical students and staff with family who worked in the WTC.
I do agree if those terrorists had a way to show it live to the world, they would have, gladly.

IMO live-streaming a murder, especially a mass murder, not only brings attention to the killer from those who may be watching, but has the damning effect of “inspiring” those of like mind.
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I have thought about this since I made my post. I don't understand the mind of a suicidal maniac obviously. But even if I felt wronged and was suicidal, I wouldn't think that I would want the world to see my last minutes as doing something absolutely horrific, being a monster. Why do they? Culture seems to glorify monsters now days I guess. Is that it?
 
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