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I just submitted Barkfelt & Pate to the ME...
Identified! KY - Owensboro, OH River, WhtMale 40-50, UP15138, prior facial trauma, scar & fixation device outer edge of eye, May'16 - Wilbur Allen Grant
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The ME responded quickly...She thought they were good possibilities... However, she felt Barkfelt's surgery scar would be different from this UID...Apparently Pate is in their system and their hasn't been a hit yet...
That's why I wondered if LE/ME checks samples statewide before submitting the UIDs/MPs to NAMUS...
That's why I wondered if LE/ME checks samples statewide before submitting the UIDs/MPs to NAMUS...
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Here's a few possible matches...Not a lot of details...No mention of a tattoo or scar...
MP34892
Scott Victor Silcox
White / Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: August 1, 2014
Missing From: Oneida, Tennessee
Age: 54
**No pic...
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MP42163
Donald W Fagan
White
Date of Last Contact: April 18, 2016
Missing From: Kansas City, Missouri
Height: 5' 7" (67 Inches)
Weight: 146 lbs
Age: 53
**Fagan's pic is attached
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MP26284
Richard Ervin Mize, Sr.
White
Last Contact: May 6, 2013
Missing From:Gastonia, North Carolina
Height: 5' 5" - 5' 6"
Weight: 150 lbs
Age: 53
MP34892
Scott Victor Silcox
White / Caucasian
Date of Last Contact: August 1, 2014
Missing From: Oneida, Tennessee
Age: 54
**No pic...
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MP42163
Donald W Fagan
White
Date of Last Contact: April 18, 2016
Missing From: Kansas City, Missouri
Height: 5' 7" (67 Inches)
Weight: 146 lbs
Age: 53
**Fagan's pic is attached
_______________________
MP26284
Richard Ervin Mize, Sr.
White
Last Contact: May 6, 2013
Missing From:Gastonia, North Carolina
Height: 5' 5" - 5' 6"
Weight: 150 lbs
Age: 53
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Date Body Found: May 11, 2016
Location Found: Ohio River/Daviess County, Kentucky
Estimated Age: Adult - Pre 60; 40-50
Measured Height: 5' 7"
Estimated Weight: 122 lbs
Head Hair: The majority of the scalp is absent; no hair present on remaining scalp
Body Hair: Black pubic hair
Clothing: Dark pants or jeans, waist 33, Length 32, made in USA over long blue cargo shorts, brand name "OLD SKOOL," size 30, gray boxers brand FTL
Accessories: Dark (possibly brown) belt two dimes in back pocket of pants
Other distinctive physical characteristics:
Scar and fixation device near the outer edge of the eyebrow or the outer edge of the eye. May be a result from skull fracture, eye socket fracture, facial fracture, “blow out” fracture. Device can be described as either pins, steel plate, etc.
Location Found: Ohio River/Daviess County, Kentucky
Estimated Age: Adult - Pre 60; 40-50
Measured Height: 5' 7"
Estimated Weight: 122 lbs
Head Hair: The majority of the scalp is absent; no hair present on remaining scalp
Body Hair: Black pubic hair
Clothing: Dark pants or jeans, waist 33, Length 32, made in USA over long blue cargo shorts, brand name "OLD SKOOL," size 30, gray boxers brand FTL
Accessories: Dark (possibly brown) belt two dimes in back pocket of pants
Other distinctive physical characteristics:
Scar and fixation device near the outer edge of the eyebrow or the outer edge of the eye. May be a result from skull fracture, eye socket fracture, facial fracture, “blow out” fracture. Device can be described as either pins, steel plate, etc.
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There is more information in the articles below, but here are some important points:
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The Daviess County Sheriff confirms a man's body was pulled from the Ohio River.
Sheriff Keith Cain does not know where the scene is, but says it was, "somewhere by the bridge."
James Mayse, "ID of man found in river still unknown," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 17 May 2016, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
"She [Sarah Ipock] had previous addresses" from both Louisville and from the New Albany, Indiana, area, [Sgt. Philip] Hensley said. Detectives have not determined where Ipock is from originally but said she has family in the north-central Indiana area.
"She has been in and out of the criminal justice system, both in Indiana and Kentucky, over the last few years, for burglary charges and that sort of thing," Hensley said.
[...]
[Capt. Bill] Thompson [head of investigations for the Daviess County Sheriff's Department] said the sheriff's department received several leads on the possible identity of the man. The leads were investigated and ruled out.
"We received several calls regarding missing persons, in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia," Thompson said. "Unfortunately, that information doesn't meet the description of the person."
"Police release new details on bodies found in Ohio River," WDRB [Louisville, KY], 24 May 2016.
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"It would be fair to say she had suffered a traumatic death," said Sgt. Philip Hensley with Indiana State Police.
Indiana State Police aren't releasing how Sarah Ipock died. They will only say she was murdered. Her family describes her as a mother, a beautiful young woman taken before her time.
[...]
"Given where she was last seen, we think it's possible her body was placed somewhere around the Louisville area," Hensley said. "With the water levels being up and the rate of the current flowing...it would be very easy for her to be placed in the river flow downriver and end up a week later, and end up where she did."
[...]
"Daviess County, Kentucky, officials informed us that the male had suffered a gunshot wound to the head and believed that was the fatal cause," Hensley said. "They had also specified he had some strangulation, hanging-type marks around his neck, so it's quite possibly that he suffered a somewhat traumatic death as well."
"Mother of murdered Ind. woman: ‘Her throat was cut and she was thrown in the river,’" WDRB [Louisville, IN], 19 June 2016.
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“Her cause of death was a severed carotid artery,” Ipock's mother, Karen Fox told WDRB. “Her throat was cut, and she was thrown in the river.”
Fox describes her daughter as funny, giving and lovable. She calls Ipock "far from perfect" and admits the Clarksville woman had her share of problems and even served time behind bars.
“She was getting her life back together, and in my opinion that’s why this happened,” Fox said. “Nobody deserves what happened to her."
Fox says she believes her daughter knew her killer.
"It makes me think that it was not a random occurrence," Fox said. "It wasn’t somebody who carjacked her or stole her purse."
Richard Gootee, "Police still searching for answers about bodies found in Ohio River in May," Evansville Courier & Press, 13 June 2016.
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Police have said they are investigating the deaths of both 30-year-old Sarah Lindsay Ipock and a still-unidentified male as homicides.
The bodies were discovered on May 11. According to Indiana State Police, Ipock was reportedly last seen alive on May 4 at a Clarksville, Indiana, Dairy Queen, which is just across the river from Louisville, Kentucky. Investigators believe Ipock was living in the Louisville area before her death.
With no leads about the male's identity, state police Sgt. Philip Hensley said he's hopeful that someone who knew Ipock comes forward and talks to police. He said investigators still believe the two deaths could be related.
[...]
Hensley added that state police are looking for any information about Ipock, not just information about her death. Though the male's death is being investigated by the Daviess County (Kentucky) Sheriff's Office, Hensley said investigators from both agencies are working together to try to figure out what led to the two deaths. Both bodies are believed to have been in the water for about the same amount of time and were found within a span of six hours.
'Until we get him identified, it is impossible to rule out that they could be related,' he said.
Authorities have ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide or a suicide pact, Hensley said. Anyone with information is asked to contact the Jasper Post of the state police by calling 812-482-1441.
James Mayse, "Bodies pulled from river in 2016 still a mystery," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 10 July 2017, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
Both were found May 11, 2016. The woman, who was later identified as Sarah Lindsey Ipock, 30, of the Louisville area, was found on the Perry County side of the river near Troy. The man, who remains unidentified, was found a few hours later near the Evansville Marine boat ramp on Wright's Landing Road.
[...]
Both died of foul play. A medical exam determined the man died of a gunshot to the back of the head and also had marks suggesting strangulation on his neck. The Indiana State Police also ruled Ipock's death a homicide. While the Indiana State Police never released Ipock's exact cause of death, Louisville television station WDRB interviewed Ipock's family about a month after the body was found, who said Ipock's throat had been cut.
[...]
After Ipock was identified, ISP investigators found out she had been in trouble with the law in both Indiana and Kentucky, and was wanted on a Jefferson County warrant at the time she was found in the river.
Sgt. Philip Hensley, public information officer for the Jasper ISP post, said the leads followed by detectives did not provide information about where Ipock would have been staying at the time her body was found.
"We know a couple acquaintances of hers, but they didn't know what became of her," Hensley said last week.
There have been no new leads into the case for some time, he said.
James Mayse, "Officials hoping technology will help solve cold case," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 7 January 2018, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
[Daviess County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Morgan] Palmiter said the investigation into Ipock's death was transferred from the ISP Jasper post to the Sellersburg post, because her last known whereabouts were in that area. Officials were unable to learn much about Ipock, but were able to rule out several of her male associates.
"We checked on the well-being of her ex-husband. He was alive and well and living in another state," Palmiter said. "Her current boyfriend, his safety was checked, her male family members, boyfriends and so forth were all accounted for.
"We still feel these individuals could be connected," Palmiter said.
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- Authorities believe John Doe is related to the murder of 30-year-old Sarah Lindsey Ipock whose body was also found in the Ohio River the same day as Doe's. Her throat was slashed. Ipock was last seen at a Dairy Queen in Clarksville, IN on May 4. She had a criminal record in both Indiana and Kentucky and was wanted on a warrant out of Jefferson County at the time her body was found.
- John Doe was murdered by a gunshot to the back of his head. He also had ligature marks around his neck.
- Authorities have ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide pact.
- Investigators have ruled out Ipock's ex-husband, current boyfriend, ex-boyfriends, and male family members as being John Doe.
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The Daviess County Sheriff confirms a man's body was pulled from the Ohio River.
Sheriff Keith Cain does not know where the scene is, but says it was, "somewhere by the bridge."
James Mayse, "ID of man found in river still unknown," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 17 May 2016, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
"She [Sarah Ipock] had previous addresses" from both Louisville and from the New Albany, Indiana, area, [Sgt. Philip] Hensley said. Detectives have not determined where Ipock is from originally but said she has family in the north-central Indiana area.
"She has been in and out of the criminal justice system, both in Indiana and Kentucky, over the last few years, for burglary charges and that sort of thing," Hensley said.
[...]
[Capt. Bill] Thompson [head of investigations for the Daviess County Sheriff's Department] said the sheriff's department received several leads on the possible identity of the man. The leads were investigated and ruled out.
"We received several calls regarding missing persons, in Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia," Thompson said. "Unfortunately, that information doesn't meet the description of the person."
"Police release new details on bodies found in Ohio River," WDRB [Louisville, KY], 24 May 2016.
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"It would be fair to say she had suffered a traumatic death," said Sgt. Philip Hensley with Indiana State Police.
Indiana State Police aren't releasing how Sarah Ipock died. They will only say she was murdered. Her family describes her as a mother, a beautiful young woman taken before her time.
[...]
"Given where she was last seen, we think it's possible her body was placed somewhere around the Louisville area," Hensley said. "With the water levels being up and the rate of the current flowing...it would be very easy for her to be placed in the river flow downriver and end up a week later, and end up where she did."
[...]
"Daviess County, Kentucky, officials informed us that the male had suffered a gunshot wound to the head and believed that was the fatal cause," Hensley said. "They had also specified he had some strangulation, hanging-type marks around his neck, so it's quite possibly that he suffered a somewhat traumatic death as well."
"Mother of murdered Ind. woman: ‘Her throat was cut and she was thrown in the river,’" WDRB [Louisville, IN], 19 June 2016.
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“Her cause of death was a severed carotid artery,” Ipock's mother, Karen Fox told WDRB. “Her throat was cut, and she was thrown in the river.”
Fox describes her daughter as funny, giving and lovable. She calls Ipock "far from perfect" and admits the Clarksville woman had her share of problems and even served time behind bars.
“She was getting her life back together, and in my opinion that’s why this happened,” Fox said. “Nobody deserves what happened to her."
Fox says she believes her daughter knew her killer.
"It makes me think that it was not a random occurrence," Fox said. "It wasn’t somebody who carjacked her or stole her purse."
Richard Gootee, "Police still searching for answers about bodies found in Ohio River in May," Evansville Courier & Press, 13 June 2016.
<snipped & BBM>
Police have said they are investigating the deaths of both 30-year-old Sarah Lindsay Ipock and a still-unidentified male as homicides.
The bodies were discovered on May 11. According to Indiana State Police, Ipock was reportedly last seen alive on May 4 at a Clarksville, Indiana, Dairy Queen, which is just across the river from Louisville, Kentucky. Investigators believe Ipock was living in the Louisville area before her death.
With no leads about the male's identity, state police Sgt. Philip Hensley said he's hopeful that someone who knew Ipock comes forward and talks to police. He said investigators still believe the two deaths could be related.
[...]
Hensley added that state police are looking for any information about Ipock, not just information about her death. Though the male's death is being investigated by the Daviess County (Kentucky) Sheriff's Office, Hensley said investigators from both agencies are working together to try to figure out what led to the two deaths. Both bodies are believed to have been in the water for about the same amount of time and were found within a span of six hours.
'Until we get him identified, it is impossible to rule out that they could be related,' he said.
Authorities have ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide or a suicide pact, Hensley said. Anyone with information is asked to contact the Jasper Post of the state police by calling 812-482-1441.
James Mayse, "Bodies pulled from river in 2016 still a mystery," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 10 July 2017, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
Both were found May 11, 2016. The woman, who was later identified as Sarah Lindsey Ipock, 30, of the Louisville area, was found on the Perry County side of the river near Troy. The man, who remains unidentified, was found a few hours later near the Evansville Marine boat ramp on Wright's Landing Road.
[...]
Both died of foul play. A medical exam determined the man died of a gunshot to the back of the head and also had marks suggesting strangulation on his neck. The Indiana State Police also ruled Ipock's death a homicide. While the Indiana State Police never released Ipock's exact cause of death, Louisville television station WDRB interviewed Ipock's family about a month after the body was found, who said Ipock's throat had been cut.
[...]
After Ipock was identified, ISP investigators found out she had been in trouble with the law in both Indiana and Kentucky, and was wanted on a Jefferson County warrant at the time she was found in the river.
Sgt. Philip Hensley, public information officer for the Jasper ISP post, said the leads followed by detectives did not provide information about where Ipock would have been staying at the time her body was found.
"We know a couple acquaintances of hers, but they didn't know what became of her," Hensley said last week.
There have been no new leads into the case for some time, he said.
James Mayse, "Officials hoping technology will help solve cold case," Messenger-Inquirer [Owensboro, KY], 7 January 2018, A1, A2.
[part 1] [part 2]
[Daviess County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Morgan] Palmiter said the investigation into Ipock's death was transferred from the ISP Jasper post to the Sellersburg post, because her last known whereabouts were in that area. Officials were unable to learn much about Ipock, but were able to rule out several of her male associates.
"We checked on the well-being of her ex-husband. He was alive and well and living in another state," Palmiter said. "Her current boyfriend, his safety was checked, her male family members, boyfriends and so forth were all accounted for.
"We still feel these individuals could be connected," Palmiter said.
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''In May 2016, details of the case were entered into the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) as UP15138. Despite the investigative efforts of law enforcement, little could be determined about the man's identity and he became known as Daviess County John Doe. With leads exhausted, the case eventually went cold.
In 2022, the Indiana State Police submitted forensic evidence to Othram in The Woodlands, Texas. Othram scientists developed a suitable DNA extract from the evidence and then used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive DNA profile for the unidentified man. Othram's in-house forensic genetic genealogy team used the profile in a genetic genealogy search to develop investigative leads that were returned to detectives with the Indiana State Police. Detectives used these new leads to continue their search for the man's identity.
Using these new leads, investigators contacted potential family members of Daviess County John Doe and have now positively identified the man as Wilbur Allen Grant of Louisville, Kentucky. Grant was born August 9, 1960. In 2016, Grant’s family became concerned for his safety after he stopped answering his phone and he was reported missing at that time. An investigation into Grant’s death continues. Anyone with any information regarding this investigation should contact Indiana State Police at 317-232-8248.
Funding for the advanced DNA testing and forensic genetic genealogy used in this case was provided by NamUs, a national clearinghouse that assists the criminal justice community with the investigation and resolution of missing, unidentified, and unclaimed persons cases across the United States and its territories. NamUs is funded and administered by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) and is managed through a contract with Research Triangle Institute International. We are grateful for the support of RTI, NamUs, and the NIJ.''
Daviess County John Doe (2016) is Now Identified
Indiana State Police Teams with Othram to Identify a 2016 Homicide Victim
''In May 2016, details of the case were entered into the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) as UP15138. Despite the investigative efforts of law enforcement, little could be determined about the man's identity and he became known as Daviess County John Doe. With leads exhausted, the case eventually went cold.
In 2022, the Indiana State Police submitted forensic evidence to Othram in The Woodlands, Texas. Othram scientists developed a suitable DNA extract from the evidence and then used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive DNA profile for the unidentified man. Othram's in-house forensic genetic genealogy team used the profile in a genetic genealogy search to develop investigative leads that were returned to detectives with the Indiana State Police. Detectives used these new leads to continue their search for the man's identity.
Using these new leads, investigators contacted potential family members of Daviess County John Doe and have now positively identified the man as Wilbur Allen Grant of Louisville, Kentucky. Grant was born August 9, 1960. In 2016, Grant’s family became concerned for his safety after he stopped answering his phone and he was reported missing at that time. An investigation into Grant’s death continues. Anyone with any information regarding this investigation should contact Indiana State Police at 317-232-8248.
Funding for the advanced DNA testing and forensic genetic genealogy used in this case was provided by NamUs, a national clearinghouse that assists the criminal justice community with the investigation and resolution of missing, unidentified, and unclaimed persons cases across the United States and its territories. NamUs is funded and administered by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ) and is managed through a contract with Research Triangle Institute International. We are grateful for the support of RTI, NamUs, and the NIJ.''
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Interesting that they got his racial background wrong. Rest in peace, Wilbur.
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Funnily enough I do kind of see a resemblance on the white recon.
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Not unusual. He has East African type facial features and the face is fairly racially ambigous if you cannot see the skin color. Bodies decomposing in water lose their skintone and turn into some kind of icky bluish-grayish-greenish mix.
