Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

[imstilla.grandma]

“Compassion asks us to go where it hurts, to enter into the places of pain,to share in brokenness, fear, confusion, and anguish.

Compassion challenges us to cry out with those in misery, to mourn with those who are lonely, to weep with those in tears.

Compassion requires us to be weak with the weak, vulnerable with the vulnerable, and powerless with the powerless.

Compassion means full immersion in the condition of being human

~ Henri Nouwen

 

[Chiatos]

He was going the wrong way?

So it seems.
Here is a description of the Juan López trail:

https://www.alltrails.com/explore/recording/afternoon-hike-at-tf-436-barranco-de-juan-lopez-playa-de-juan-lopez-ac1dd20

... this is not a trail for everyone. It’s a wild, unmarked, and unmaintained path, requiring constant use of GPS, although there are some rock towers placed by previous hikers that help with navigation. The route is challenging with steep and potentially vertigo-inducing sections, but doable for experienced hikers with a good fitness level. Wear sturdy hiking shoes and carry at least two to two-and-a-half liters of water. ... There is an unofficial parking spot at the trailhead for one or two cars.

To get back to his hotel, Jay would have had to walk all the way back (from the beach) the same way he had come.

 

[Knitty]

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Speculation about why family members set up the account, the funds raised or what those funds may or may not be used for are off limits. Discuss the case, not the peripheral issues of fundraising.

 

[Anxala]

To provide balance.... (edited to try to get the link to go live... You may need to copy/paste)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1925483/jay-slater-mum--update-debbie-duncan

I'm glad there's been a bit of clarification on that. And perspective. And understanding that what might appear on the surface as someone milking a situation is not necessarily that, just possibly people, doubled over with grief, with no media awareness or understanding how words and motives can be twisted, speaking publicly without guile.

The media in all its forms needs to take a long hard look at itself before judgement in situations like this.

I do have a bit of an issue with the way public appeal fundraising seems to have become the default move though when things go wrong, particularly when abroad. It reflects a disturbing absence of personal responsibility.

 

[su5ie]

I'm glad there's been a bit of clarification on that. And perspective. And understanding that what might appear on the surface as someone milking a situation is not necessarily that, just people, doubled over with grief, with no media awareness of training, speaking without guile. The media in all its forms needs to take a long hard look at itself.

I do have a bit of an issue with the way public appeal fundraising seems to have become the default move though when things go wrong, particularly when abroad. It reflects an absence of responsibility.

Was "go fund me" originally organised for natural disasters I wonder ,I have never looked it up how it started but will now .I fully agree with you on the onus of responsibility, and I'm sure a lot of well meaning family and friends have set one up to take the burden away from grieving families but it does seem to be the 'norm' for a lot of stuff now that in the past would have been paid weekly . While trying to be diplomatic on the issue I guess it's a personal choice whether we decide to donate or not just as we would with various charities.

 

[su5ie]

https://slate.com/business/2020/12/-dark-side-fraud-social-media-health-care.html

This is a fairly balanced article on go fund me if any one is interested. I think for all the good that stems from giving to others out does the small numbers whom abuse it .when witnessing a person in pain often we think "oh I wish I could take their pain away " and for some they literally think by donating they are helping to ease pain ,allowing those people who wish to donate and accepting those people who don't , the outcome is a mind without bitterness and a life less judged ..

 

[Dotta]

​

"Fresh Jay Slater search team deployed ​

to find spot where teen died​

after cops 'refused'.​

The heartbroken family has hired
a private search team to search for the exact spot
where the 19-year-old disappeared over one month ago.
.....
Photos show the moment a helicopter crew member was carefully lowered into the deep gorge, arms raised, as part of the sensitive retrieval mission.

But his family still have questions about his disappearance.

The precise location where Jay's body was found
has not been disclosed by Spanish authorities.

The group, hired by Jay's family, named Signi Zoekhonden,
arrived on the island Sunday night, mere hours before the discovery of Jay's body the next morning.

Despite the find,
they have stayed on in Tenerife and are expected to head back later in the week.

Today,
they were spotted navigating a barren ravine alongside their search dog, Flex.

Spain's Guardia Civil
said on Friday
that they would not be disclosing
the exact location where
Jay's body was discovered."

New Jay Slater search team deployed to find where teen died after cops 'refused'

Police on Monday recovered the body of 19-year-old Jay Slater from a treacherous ravine in a remote, mountainous region of Tenerife.

www.express.co.uk

 

[imstilla.grandma]

While the authorities in the largest of Spain’s Canary Islands will likely hold their own process, an inquest led by a coroner is still expected to be held once he has been repatriated back home. A coroner in Jay's native Lancashire, based in Preston, will be tasked with conducting the hearing.

Lancs Live reports that inquests in Lancashire are held in one of several locations, usually closest to where the person lived, such as Accrington Town Hall or Preston Coroner's Court.

The coroner in Lancashire will be informed of a body in the jurisdiction when Jay is brought home from Tenerife - as was the case with Andrew 'Ed' Walch from Preston who died in the Canary Islands in 2021.

Jay Slater inquest into teen who died in Tenerife likely to be held in UK

The 19-year-old was found dead in Tenerife almost a month after he disappeared

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[Firstsnow4]

​

"Fresh Jay Slater search team deployed ​

to find spot where teen died​

after cops 'refused'.​

The heartbroken family has hired
a private search team to search for the exact spot
where the 19-year-old disappeared over one month ago.
.....
Photos show the moment a helicopter crew member was carefully lowered into the deep gorge, arms raised, as part of the sensitive retrieval mission.

But his family still have questions about his disappearance.

The precise location where Jay's body was found
has not been disclosed by Spanish authorities.

The group, hired by Jay's family, named Signi Zoekhonden,
arrived on the island Sunday night, mere hours before the discovery of Jay's body the next morning.

Despite the find,
they have stayed on in Tenerife and are expected to head back later in the week.

Today,
they were spotted navigating a barren ravine alongside their search dog, Flex.

Spain's Guardia Civil
said on Friday
that they would not be disclosing
the exact location where
Jay's body was discovered."

New Jay Slater search team deployed to find where teen died after cops 'refused'

Police on Monday recovered the body of 19-year-old Jay Slater from a treacherous ravine in a remote, mountainous region of Tenerife.

www.express.co.uk

I can understand why they won’t reveal the location to the press but why not the family I wonder? If it will give them peace of mind and transparency, I can’t see why not.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A source revealed they returned on behalf of the family so they could fully understand the geography of where Jay was found. They were seen today with their Belgian Malinois sniffer dog called Flex returning from a five hour trek deep into the gorge. The team from the Signi Zoekhonden charity said they are determined to make sure nothing is left in the valley that could help explain Jay’s death.

They have also made a short film for Jay’s mother so that the family has a record of the location. The post-mortem examination confirmed that the multiple injuries Jay suffered were consistent with a fall from height but there are still other unanswered questions.

The team is led by veterinarian Esther van Neerbos who dedicates all her spare moment time searching for people who have gone missing and helping their families find closure. She revealed the dog flex indicated at a particular spot in the ravine which she described as very “difficult and dangerous” and which goes from 20m to 100m wide in places and has steep cliffs either side.

She also revealed that tragically Jay would never have been able to make it to the sea, as has been theorised he was attempting to do, because he would have eventually run into giant rocky cliffs which are almost impossible to pass.

She is in close contact with Jay’s family and said it is “very sad, they are crying, crying, crying.” She revealed the family want to visit the location to lay flowers but she is advising them that it is just too dangerous. She added: “Every case is sad, it’s particularly difficult for mothers, it is never nice to have to search for a young child.

“Losing your boy is the worst thing you can think about. I think the rescue workers that found him did a very good job.

"Jay was a very young guy, he did very well to get as far as he got. The place where he was found is a very dry, small valley, very difficult to get into.” The crack team were employed by Jay’s friend Lucy Mae Law, who raised over £50,000 through a page.

Jay Slater search team redeployed to Tenerife ravine over 'unanswered questions'

Jay Slater was found dead in Tenerife after weeks of searching

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

I can understand why they won’t reveal the location to the press but why not the family I wonder? If it will give them peace of mind and transparency, I can’t see why not.

They have their reasons I presume.

 

[Normal Norm]

They have their reasons I presume.

Preventing further fatalities being one of them, I imagine.