GUILTY KY - Trey Zwicker, 14, beaten to death, Louisville, 11 May 2011 #2

[Agatha_C]

Well he did mention that their lunch tomorrow was not coming out of their $12.50 pay day.

Ya'll are killing me with this 12.50 a day stuff...LOL... I just know that the next time Im in a store and the clerk tells me that will be 12.50, Im going to burst out laughing....

 

[TigerBalm]

Omigosh they're finished?? What about the light guy and calling Terry Zwicker back about the dark, etc., etc.??

So I guess this means the defense is pretty sure they're gonna get not guilty?

Terry Zwicker was the first witness called today, he was asked one question by the defense and no cross by the state.

Q: As far as you knew was Trey afraid of the dark?
A: No

 

[Agatha_C]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 1m

Judge wants both sides to meet back here at 3 pm to go over proposed jury instructions.

 

[Agatha_C]

Yet again with the talk about the pay for the lawyers...lol

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The problem with that imo is that the State has never shown a TOD.

Didn't McKenzie say that Trey left around 10:30 that night.

And the ME said that Trey had eaten 2-3 hours before his death.

That would make the time of death somewhere around 11pm which is consistent with both MK and the MEs testimony. That would be more than enough time for him to be in the woods by then.

IMO

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 38s

Defense attorney mentions man who helped Booth after he killed Lincoln, saying he wasn't complicit in the murder.

That argument is wacked. Does everyone there know all the details surrounding the man and why the system at the time did not pursue him?

Does the defense think the court will force jurors to write down the evidence that led them to their decision? I don't think that will fly. But it does tell me the defense is not confidant of how this will end and that encourages me that justice will happen for Trey Zwicker.

 

[TigerBalm]

My quick search of the of complicity and murder under Kentucky Legislation


502.020 Liability for conduct of another - Complicity.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=19660

507.020 Murder.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=19717

TITLE L - KENTUCKY PENAL CODE
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Terry Zwicker was the first witness called today, he was asked one question by the defense and no cross by the state.

Q: As far as you knew was Trey afraid of the dark?
A: No

For some reason that doesn't worry me. I can understand a young boy entering puberty wanting to be more macho, more manly with his dad and other guys while seeking comfort from females close to him and telling one or two about his fears and plans to rescue his baby sister.

 

[aa9511]

I watched the movie 'Slingblade' last night and thought that the monster in that movie was probably real close in character to JG. Unlike the movie where someone took care of the monster before he could ruin the boy I think JY is damaged and has made his choice on lifestyle and that is to emulate his hideous father.

And poor innocent Trey. Lost to us forever. So wrong.

As monstrous as Gouker is, to my knowledge he's never killed anyone before. I do not believe his confession for this murder. Now, with his ex-wife I don't know...I"m sure her suicide was investigated, but with someone like Gouker can we rule out for sure that he didn't kill her? But again, I'm sure if it was a homicide it would have been discovered as that...hopefully.

My understanding is that the two people he robbed or whatever is was, he didn't kill them. The kidnapping elderly woman he let go.

I also think he actually "loved" Amanda (as much love as he's capable of), and I can't see him actually killing her son.

If Josh Young really killed Trey like I believe he did, with no remorese or nothing, I think that's really evil and I think he's even more evil than his Dad. I think Gouker is a bad, bad person, but I think Young has more like the psycho-ness in him that makes him even more dangerous.

 

[Agatha_C]

That argument is wacked. Does everyone there know all the details surrounding the man and why the system at the time did not pursue him?

Does the defense think the court will force jurors to write down the evidence that led them to their decision? I don't think that will fly. But it does tell me the defense is not confidant of how this will end and that encourages me that justice will happen for Trey Zwicker.

The defense is digging deep when you have to go back to 1865 for a reference...

If they make that jury write down the evidence, I swear I myself will go and protest for them to be paid an extra 1.00 a day for the added trouble...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

As monstrous as Gouker is, to my knowledge he's never killed anyone before. I do not believe his confession for this murder. Now, with his ex-wife I don't know...I"m sure her suicide was investigated, but with someone like Gouker can we rule out for sure that he didn't kill her? But again, I'm sure if it was a homicide it would have been discovered as that...hopefully.

My understanding is that the two people he robbed or whatever is was, he didn't kill them. The kidnapping elderly woman he let go.

I also think he actually "loved" Amanda (as much love as he's capable of), and I can't see him actually killing her son.

If Josh Young really killed Trey like I believe he did, with no remorese or nothing, I think that's really evil and I think he's even more evil than his Dad. I think Gouker is a bad, bad person, but I think Young has more like the psycho-ness in him that makes him even more dangerous.

I'm not sure what this logic is? Jodi arias was not a killer until she was. Brett SeaCat was not a killer until he was.

Not doing it before does not make it less likely lthat he did it now. There is no way from what I see that jy did this on his own. I dont believe he did it at all. I believe that gouker did it. He is an evil sob that cares not for anyone. It'll anything I believe he might have made jy watch. But I don't think jy did it. I honestly can not believe with the testimony of how evil mean and violent gouker is that they would charge jy with anything.

 

[Agatha_C]

tawni dilly ‏@tawnidilly 1m

Joshua Young Trial. Day 7. Court Resumes at 3pm. Closing Statements Tomorrow: http://youtu.be/xkQG_bKm1Nc?a via @YouTube

 

[aa9511]

btw...sometimes when Josh Young looks back into the gallery (on video, of course, I'm not actually there!), I see the same blank/evil stare like with Jodi Arias. I think he is capable of the same. Scary.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My quick search of the of complicity and murder under Kentucky Legislation


502.020 Liability for conduct of another - Complicity.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=19660

507.020 Murder.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=19717

TITLE L - KENTUCKY PENAL CODE
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/

Thanks. I think the state is thinking this was more of the two in collusion with each other to commit this murder.

A person is guilty of an offense committed by another person when, with the
intention of promoting or facilitating the commission of the offense, he:
(a) Solicits, commands, or engages in a conspiracy with such other person to
commit the offense; or
(b) Aids, counsels, or attempts to aid such person in planning or committing
the offense; or
(c) Having a legal duty to prevent

If JG had not pled guilty to the murder itself before this trial I don't think the state would have ever dropped the original murder charges on JY.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

btw...sometimes when Josh Young looks back into the gallery (on video, of course, I'm not actually there!), I see the same blank/evil stare like with Jodi Arias. I think he is capable of the same. Scary.

Really all through the trial he has had that blank demeanor that this really doesn't mean anything to him. I guess he is convinced Big Daddy is going to get him off and he just might.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm not sure what this logic is? Jodi arias was not a killer until she was. Brett SeaCat was not a killer until he was.

Not doing it before does not make it less likely lthat he did it now. There is no way from what I see that jy did this on his own. I dont believe he did it at all. I believe that gouker did it. He is an evil sob that cares not for anyone. It'll anything I believe he might have made jy watch. But I don't think jy did it. I honestly can not believe with the testimony of how evil mean and violent gouker is that they would charge jy with anything.

The state believes JY was the one that conspired with his dad to do the murder. They would be remiss in their duties if they had not brought forth charges. Believing what JG has spouted continuously is like believing Arias when she said she killed Travis in self defense. I am sure they know plenty of other things JY has done that was ruled too prejudicial to come in to trial.

Way too many witnesses for them all to be lying.

IMO

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

As monstrous as Gouker is, to my knowledge he's never killed anyone before. I do not believe his confession for this murder. Now, with his ex-wife I don't know...I"m sure her suicide was investigated, but with someone like Gouker can we rule out for sure that he didn't kill her? But again, I'm sure if it was a homicide it would have been discovered as that...hopefully.

My understanding is that the two people he robbed or whatever is was, he didn't kill them. The kidnapping elderly woman he let go.

I also think he actually "loved" Amanda (as much love as he's capable of), and I can't see him actually killing her son.

If Josh Young really killed Trey like I believe he did, with no remorese or nothing, I think that's really evil and I think he's even more evil than his Dad. I think Gouker is a bad, bad person, but I think Young has more like the psycho-ness in him that makes him even more dangerous.

As this court case proceeded I came to the same conclusion about JY. I believe he killed his step brother to prove to his dad he is a bad a$$. I don't put it past JG to talk an unbalanced, drugged young woman to kill herself but I don't know how that would ever be proven.

I also agree IMO it is very revealing that JG allowed the kidnapped woman to leave. Didn't he have the stomach for killing a person after Trey? I don't believe he killed Trey. I don't know that he has the 'stomach' for killing. IMO JY is the worse monster than the previous version (his father).

 

[Sweet Fox]

I believe JG was the mastermind behind the plan to kill Trey. But it was JY who actually did the killing. Perhaps it was meant to be a test of JY loyalty him. Just shows how far would JY would go to please daddy dearest. I hope they both rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives. IMO

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

The defense is digging deep when you have to go back to 1865 for a reference...

If they make that jury write down the evidence, I swear I myself will go and protest for them to be paid an extra 1.00 a day for the added trouble...

I just hope that testing a juror's logic by being able to get a blue print on how they each arrived at their individual decision is not based on law. I don't like this for the present case and I don't like how it may impact future attempts at appeal or if this trial results in a mistrial.

I think juror's questions to witnesses goes far enough giving both sides a glimpse into how the jury may be thinking.

 

[TigerBalm]

Will we see a Lockup with Big Josh and Little Josh in a few years like Brian Edmonds Sr and Jr in this video??

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