Kyle Clifford: Wanted in connection with triple murder in Bushey, 3 women murdered in home, 9th July 2024 *arrest*

[Inthedetails]

Yes.

And this "chip on his shoulder"
(as reported)
is a clear sign of
feeling of anger and resentment buzzing in him for a long time for whatever reason.

And Louise with her Mum and sister paid ultimate price for something that was not involved with her and them.

Because it was all in murderer's sick mind.

JMO

I think he was happy to kill the mom and sister too because they were part of a supportive, nice, successful family. Their decency is what made him hate them all, in my opinion. His ex-girlfriend essentially chose her family over him, so they all were killed.

Except the dad, of course. The perp couldn't face a grown man.

jmopinion

edited to add: now that I think about it, he also "killed" the father by defiling his home and destroying what was most precious to him and was unable to protect as the man of the family. Cowardly and cruel as the same time.

 

[su5ie]

I think they had been an item for less than a year.

"Louise Hunt, 25, is understood to have introduced Clifford to her family at the start of the year and had taken him to a cousin's birthday party in April."

Crossbow killer suspect 'controlled' ex for six months, friends reveal

Louise Hunt, 25, is understood to have introduced Clifford to her family at the start of the year and had taken him to a cousin's birthday party in April.

www.dailymail.co.uk

One key aspect of abusive relationships is the period of time it takes a controlling person to start the method. There is as you say normally a period of "lovebombing" or in other words "grooming" but once the purpose of that conditioning is achieved then the mask of "nice person" comes off and its time to "consolidate" the control. The" honeymoon period" can be a big warning. Be carefull when things seem too quick or too good to be true.

The way I Interpret that behaviour is its a play on the idealism that's a feature in the minds of many, it may be a certain naivety that can happen to anyone. The abuser plays on the whole "I'm your dream" we all want from a partner and then when it comes to the control its a huge and sudden drop from the top of the ladder they put them on. "I'm going to build you up high and then drop you off a cliff".

Yes the classic put you on the pedestal only to knock you off ..it is such a distressing state of affairs for the victim and Louise's family, In todays society we are told to accept a person for who they are and treat people with kindness but often we are not taught how to do that or even what that looks like and feels like ,yes it is reported in msm what red flags to look for but how do young people differentiate between the heady rush of attraction and infatuation and what love really is I suppose teaching what boundaries look like and what assertive language looks like and what good self esteem looks like so we are less likely to attract this behaviour in the first place it's so hard when I was younger I would have bought a husband I was that desperate to be coupled up but it stemmed from a low opinion of myself filled with self doubt and when someone showed me these above skills it changed who I attracted into my circle I suppose for me this tragedy for the Hunt family is showing there still so much work to do in preventing domestic violence and teaching young children what healthy relationships with family ,friends, partners looks like because we don't always get that image from our caregivers

 

[Grouse]

Except the dad, of course. The perp couldn't face a grown man.

John Hunt was commentating at Lingfield on the day and the races were from about 14:25 - 18:00 . My guess is that he knew that, and probably what time he would be back, and based his timings on that. MOO.

 

[Dotta]

Yes the classic put you on the pedestal only to knock you off ..it is such a distressing state of affairs for the victim and Louise's family, In todays society we are told to accept a person for who they are and treat people with kindness but often we are not taught how to do that or even what that looks like and feels like ,yes it is reported in msm what red flags to look for but how do young people differentiate between the heady rush of attraction and infatuation and what love really is I suppose teaching what boundaries look like and what assertive language looks like and what good self esteem looks like so we are less likely to attract this behaviour in the first place it's so hard when I was younger I would have bought a husband I was that desperate to be coupled up but it stemmed from a low opinion of myself filled with self doubt and when someone showed me these above skills it changed who I attracted into my circle I suppose for me this tragedy for the Hunt family is showing there still so much work to do in preventing domestic violence and teaching young children what healthy relationships with family ,friends, partners looks like because we don't always get that image from our caregivers

I would also add
better availability of Mental Health treatments/behavioral therapies
for those who suffer from inadequate anger management issues.

Like
one-on-one or group counseling,
or anger management classes.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes, and I think a good test of character for a partner or even a friend or teacher is if they encourage your growth.

If you're a stable person with good intentions, you're GLAD when someone you know is doing something that expands their life. You do not feel threatened if they start a new business, take a class, pick up a hobby, make a friend, dress nicely. You WANT them to grow (even if you're not actually part of what they are doing), and it feels good to inquire about their endeavors, congratulate them on even small achievements, offer helpful advice if warranted.

You don't stand in their way or hinder progress. You don't put them down for their interests and efforts.

jmo

All very true and very relevant to the "insecurity" that's so often an element of the dynamic. If someone feels threatened by their others success AND tries to negatively influence their progress in life do they really have their best interests at heart?

It's also true that REAL empathy entails knowing what's reasonable to expect from your partner so you know to what standards they can be held. If their not keeping up to that you have to ask why? And you will show concern as they aren't performing like they should be. In an abusive relationship the abuser so often puts them there in that place and is the reason they are not quite themselves.

 

[su5ie]

DBM

 

[su5ie]

I would also add
better availability of Mental Health treatments/behavioral therapies
for those who suffer from inadequate anger management issues.

Like
one-on-one or group counseling,
or anger management classes.

JMO

Of course Dotta, yes we have loads of advocates who cite mental health and the importance of looking after it but the services have atrociously long waiting times or not enough therapists within the health system ,charity's can only do so much and sentencing in my country anyway for DV is too lenient so laws need to change and judge's in courtrooms need to buck up there ideas and I'm sick of the sob story in courts tbh of oh he /she had a bad up bringing ,they were addicted to drugs ,they had lost their job boo hoo hoo plenty of people experience those things and don't commit abuses you do the crime you pay the price

 

[su5ie]

Dbm

 

[Sweeper2000]

In certain cases I think attendance of therapy sessions about ending relationships would be necessary and beneficial. Could also be made mandatory for those who either have records of violence or whose behaviour fits a pattern. Stalking, Harrasmnent, DV. Should also be based on an escalatory basis so if someone doesn't comply with the course they could potentially be monitored with a curfew. Even if someone has no criminal record that doesn't mean they won't benefit from the therapy.

 

[Dotta]

In certain cases I think attendance of therapy sessions about ending relationships would be necessary and beneficial. Could also be made mandatory for those who either have records of violence or whose behaviour fits a pattern. Stalking, Harrasmnent, DV. Should also be based on an escalatory basis so if someone doesn't comply with the course they could potentially be monitored with a curfew. Even if someone has no criminal record that doesn't mean they won't benefit from the therapy.

Of course.
Any help concerning mental issues is beneficial.

Both for a person involved and Society.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

That's not necessarily a MH issue. That might just be a part of "the nature of things".

 

[Herat]

Interesting that he attempted suicide, it appears, by shooting himself in the chest.

Men who use firearms as a suicide means usually shoot themselves in the head.

Women who use firearms as a suicide means usually shot themselves in the chest. The theory was that women didn't want their faces to be distorted, and be able to have open casket funerals.

 

[Panniniclaus]

If there was a home business, it would seem he would be taking a risk if customers were showing up for appointments and finding no response to a knock or a text. Unless he was forward thinking enough to demand that Louise contact her customers and cancel, when he arrived and threatened them.

 

[Grouse]

If there was a home business, it would seem he would be taking a risk if customers were showing up for appointments and finding no response to a knock or a text. Unless he was forward thinking enough to demand that Louise contact her customers and cancel, when he arrived and threatened them.

It would surely seem suspicious to anyone with an appointment ringing the doorbell and getting no reply - the two cars on the drive and two in front of those give the impression of a full house.

 

[Odeto BJ]

Interesting that he attempted suicide, it appears, by shooting himself in the chest.

Men who use firearms as a suicide means usually shoot themselves in the head.

Women who use firearms as a suicide means usually shot themselves in the chest. The theory was that women didn't want their faces to be distorted, and be able to have open casket funerals.

Shooting yourself in the head with a pistol is pretty easily accomplished and if the firearm is of size, doesn't leave much room for error. Even with a long gun, putting the muzzle in your mouth is pretty fool proof. Both are...immediate?
Shooting yourself in the chest doesn't carry the same guarantee unless its a pretty big weapon; and even then with a long gun, some means of supporting the weapon and pulling the trigger needs to be incorporated.
A crossbow has considerable recoil depending on its design, but the heavier the bolt the greater the kick. Where employed for hunting larger game, a heavier bolt is preferred. The bolt tends to plug the intrusion which delays the bleeding out process. A hunter would want the game debilitated in the near term, they don't want to chase a deer for miles.
Most crossbows are designed to be braced against the shoulder like a long gun. Committing suicide with one would require the entire cocking and loading routine, a means to brace the weapon aimed at the target area, and a means to trigger it.
Not that I spend any time considering it and of course depending on the design and dimensions of the weapon: but if I were going to make the attempt, I would loosen a shoe lace, *advertiser censored* the cross bow, load it heavy, tie the shoe lace to the trigger, brace the forestock with both hands, put the discharge end under my chin pointed up, and stomp the appropriate foot. A lot of time to reconsider built into that effort... All that just MOO.
Actually I suspect the perpetrator here did not actually use the crossbow: he may have just taken the projectile, held it to his chest, and deliberately fallen forward. Rather like the Roman general...MOO
That would have been quick but obviously not 100% efficient.

eta: From context, I'm sure every one figure out the Censored...I do wonder how we are to reference a male chicken or a female dog if not by the righteous and time honored terms.

 

[Grouse]

Interesting that he attempted suicide, it appears, by shooting himself in the chest.

Men who use firearms as a suicide means usually shoot themselves in the head.

Women who use firearms as a suicide means usually shot themselves in the chest. The theory was that women didn't want their faces to be distorted, and be able to have open casket funerals.

I do wonder if it was a serious attempt at suicide or just done to gain some time in hospital, and maybe appear to have tried to do the "honourable" thing? It seems he had a fair window of time to go and do it somewhere discreetly if he'd wanted to. MOO.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In an article in the Jewish News, senior Rabbi Elchonon Feldman said: “It’s important for people to know we care. The Shabbat service will include a commemorative section, incorporating a memorial prayer and moments of reflection.”

The rabbi also wrote on Facebook that their community was “in a state of shock and mourning at the brutal attack and murder of three innocent Bushey residents…It will certainly take time to comprehend that such a tragedy took place in our midst but in the first instance, we stand together in sorrow and prayer with all family and friends who are grieving at this time of immense loss.”

Rabbi Feldman paid tribute to local churches, writing: “The local North Bushey Churches have kindly opened their doors [on Thursday night] to light candles and offer prayers and for this we are grateful.

“In our Synagogue we will in turn over the weekend have the opportunity to in solidarity formally recognise the loss as well.”

Prayers for Bushey murder victims to be said on Shabbat

The rabbi of Bushey Synagogue will lead prayers for the mother and two daughers killed in a crossbow attack on Tuesday night

www.thejc.com

 

[SouthAussie]

I do wonder if it was a serious attempt at suicide or just done to gain some time in hospital, and maybe appear to have tried to do the "honourable" thing? It seems he had a fair window of time to go and do it somewhere discreetly if he'd wanted to. MOO.

It is hard to imagine what his after-plan was. It seems that he didn't attempt to flee anywhere, seeing that he was found in the general area of his home (Enfield).
And he must have known there would be CCTV around the place that captured him going to and fro - there is CCTV all over the place these days.

imo

 

[martinwatts5]

It would surely seem suspicious to anyone with an appointment ringing the doorbell and getting no reply - the two cars on the drive and two in front of those give the impression of a full house.

I find it hard to understand how the whole thing could go on for so long. As you say, the house could have visitors. It’s a quiet area but there would be neighbours and people passing by. Also it was not just one person but three involved, although we don’t know if they were all present from the start.